Roethlisberger publically questions Steelers using 3rd pick on QB

[GunnerBill]

10 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

They'll be face palming if they think Rudolph is the future. 

 

And there you go.... it comes down not to the strategy but to whether you like Mason Rudolph or not.  

 

The people who think Rudolph sucks as a prospect all think this was a silly pick. That isn't about the Steelers' strategy or how long Big Ben might or might not play, or whether he has a right to complain.  This is a Mason Rudolph thread by another name.  The people who don't like Rudolph think that invalidates the strategy.

[26CornerBlitz]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And there you go.... it comes down not to the strategy but to whether you like Mason Rudolph or not.  

 

The people who think Rudolph sucks as a prospect all think this was a silly pick. That isn't about the Steelers' strategy or how long Big Ben might or might not play, or whether he has a right to complain.  This is a Mason Rudolph thread by another name.  The people who don't like Rudolph think that invalidates the strategy.

 

It's a question of immediate benefit vs. long-term benefit to the team which was BR's point.

[SouthNYfan]

13 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Shakier isn't why they weren't in the SB.

 

Ben talks about retiring annually now.  Maybe Rudolph won't help, but the point of this discussions that here is/was no other 3rd round pick that would...

 

Their defense took a few games to gel last year, then was in a great stretch and looked to have it figured out, in a 5-0 run, then Shazier went down, and they plummeted to league worst against the run and I think league worst overall for the remaining games, including the playoffs.

 

They were a SB contender with him, and had no chance without him.

 

On the Rudolph side, I agree with you, since there was no LB available there that would have replaced Shazier, so they went with a guy who at worst looks to be a solid backup, and might be an average starter after Ben, for little to no risk/cost.

Was he a first round talent, sure thing to be Ben's heir? No way.

Was he good enough to take in the third and hope he develops? Yes. 

Good pick where they got him.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Their defense took a few games to gel last year, then was in a great stretch and looked to have it figured out, in a 5-0 run, then Shazier went down, and they plummeted to league worst against the run and I think league worst overall for the remaining games, including the playoffs.

 

They were a SB contender with him, and had no chance without him.

 

On the Rudolph side, I agree with you, since there was no LB available there that would have replaced Shazier, so they went with a guy who at worst looks to be a solid backup, and might be an average starter after Ben, for little to no risk/cost.

Was he a first round talent, sure thing to be Ben's heir? No way.

Was he good enough to take in the third and hope he develops? Yes. 

Good pick where they got him.

 

For values of "no chance" involving a 3-1 record to close out the season and a 3 pt loss in the playoffs.

 

I take your point that Shazier was the shining star of the Pitts defense and a difference maker on the order of Von Miller or Kuechly, but to say the Pitts D had no chance without him is I think, a bit exaggeration.

 

I agree completely on the Rudolph pick.  They could have gotten a player who might develop as good depth, but since several teams had Rudolph as a late 1st-2nd round pick, he represented low risk/high reward potential for them there.

 

31 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

It's a question of immediate benefit vs. long-term benefit to the team which was BR's point.

 

I thought that point had been well addressed. 

 

Rudolph has the potential to win the backup QB spot.  The backup QB can be an immediate benefit to the team on any play.  If someone personally doesn't like Rudolph and doesn't think that, that's OK - but recognize that some good football minds disagree.

 

Yes, they could have gotten a guy who could contribute on ST, maybe push for a starting spot on D in the 3rd, but it's far from a sure thing that any 3rd round pick will provide an "immediate benefit".

[Mr. WEO]

34 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

It's a question of immediate benefit vs. long-term benefit to the team which was BR's point.

 

There is no question....no 3rd rounder available would have had "SB" potential for the Steelers.  Why even argue otherwise?

 

Go watch the Giants become the Cowboys for a year with their new RB and no playoffs.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

For values of "no chance" involving a 3-1 record to close out the season and a 3 pt loss in the playoffs.

 

I take your point that Shazier was the shining star of the Pitts defense and a difference maker on the order of Von Miller or Kuechly, but to say the Pitts D had no chance without him is I think, a bit exaggeration.

 

I agree completely on the Rudolph pick.  They could have gotten a player who might develop as good depth, but since several teams had Rudolph as a late 1st-2nd round pick, he represented low risk/high reward potential for them there.

 

I thought that point had been well addressed. 

 

Rudolph has the potential to win the backup QB spot.  The backup QB can be an immediate benefit to the team on any play.  If someone personally doesn't like Rudolph and doesn't think that, that's OK - but recognize that some good football minds disagree.

 

Yes, they could have gotten a guy who could contribute on ST, maybe push for a starting spot on D in the 3rd, but it's far from a sure thing that any 3rd round pick will provide an "immediate benefit".

 

To the contrary, I think most teams have an expectation that 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks will be immediate contributors that get significant snaps.   Given the offense, Rudolph came from and the things he has to work on his ability to beat out Jones as the backup is questionable.  We'll see. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

16 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

To the contrary, I think most teams have an expectation that 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks will be immediate contributors that get significant snaps.   Given the offense, Rudolph came from and the things he has to work on his ability to beat out Jones as the backup is questionable.  We'll see. 

 

Well, we disagree. 

 

Given that past the top handful of picks, something like 2/3 of draftees do not become NFL starters, that would kind of be a foolish expectation for most teams to have.  Goal, hope sure.  Expectation, no.

 

A quick look shows it's probably not factually true that 3rd round picks become immediate contributors that get significant snaps.  For example, last year, there were 43 3rd round picks.  Of them, only 10 started 8 or more games.   About half logged a stat, like 3 catches for 31 yards, 32 carries for 144 yds,  1 INT or the like.  Most of them were active on gameday for significant games, but usually on the field in a backup/special package or ST role.   

 

Statistically overall, for every Kareem Hunt or Cooper Kupp, there are 2 Donta Foreman, James Conners, and Amara Darbohs.

[SouthNYfan]

37 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

For values of "no chance" involving a 3-1 record to close out the season and a 3 pt loss in the playoffs.

 

I take your point that Shazier was the shining star of the Pitts defense and a difference maker on the order of Von Miller or Kuechly, but to say the Pitts D had no chance without him is I think, a bit exaggeration.

 

I agree completely on the Rudolph pick.  They could have gotten a player who might develop as good depth, but since several teams had Rudolph as a late 1st-2nd round pick, he represented low risk/high reward potential for them there.

 

 

I thought that point had been well addressed. 

 

Rudolph has the potential to win the backup QB spot.  The backup QB can be an immediate benefit to the team on any play.  If someone personally doesn't like Rudolph and doesn't think that, that's OK - but recognize that some good football minds disagree.

 

Yes, they could have gotten a guy who could contribute on ST, maybe push for a starting spot on D in the 3rd, but it's far from a sure thing that any 3rd round pick will provide an "immediate benefit".

 

Their 3-1 record was against Ravens, Texans, browns (with the loss against ne)

Really 3-2 including playoffs over their last 5

 

The final 4 they gave up about 1600 total of their yearly 4900, or about 33% in 4 games

 

 

Their passing defense gave up 450+ to flacco and Bortles if you include the playoffs.

 

They had to stack the box without Shazier to stop the run

 

I took this from a Steelers analytics site also:

 

"

After that shaky start to the 2017 season, the Steelers run defense did show signs of improvement in their next five games. During that 5-0 run the Steelers defense allowed just 2.75 yards per carry and a successful run rate of 33.3%, both of which are fantastic numbers. At that point there was hope that that unit had solved their run game woes.

Shazier, as most of you remember, was injured early in the Steelers Week 13 game. From that point forward, the Steelers run defense fell apart. Including that game against the Bengals and through their playoff loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Steelers run defense allowed 4.89 yards per carry and a horrible successful run rate of 50.4%. While the defense only gave up two runs of 20 yards or more in those 6 games, they did allow 16 runs of 10 yards or more. Shazier not being on the field for those six games was certainly noticeably in more ways than one and especially against the run and certainly in the playoff loss to the Jaguars."

 

 

Their defense wasn't good enough once he went down.

You're right, they still had a chance, I was exaggerating, but they definitely weren't a 13-3 team without him, and were definitely not a favorite after him going down.

[JohnC]

57 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

It's a question of immediate benefit vs. long-term benefit to the team which was BR's point.

So the Steelers drafted a qb in the third round who might not immediately help but might do so in the not too distant future? Why is that such a bad approach to take? Quite the contrary, it's a smart thing to do. If the Bills took a similar approach just maybe they wouldn't have gone nearly a quarter century without having a franchise qb. 

 

If you don't like the qb then for you it is a bad pick regardless where he was taken. But that's not how the Steelers judged the pick. In their eyes they selected a qb they liked at a draft spot that was lower than how they evaluated him. For them it was a bargain and smart pick. If you don't believe that a third round qb can become a franchise qb then ask Seattle if they thought picking Russell Wilson in the third round was a mistake even when they had a backlog of qbs on the roster? If Rudolph turns out to be better than the other backups then  that in itself would make it a good/reasonable pick. 

[LabattBlue]

Who gives a flying f*** what Ben thinks.  Players play, coaches coach, and GM's build the team through F/A and the draft.  Maybe he should retire and become an NFL GM?

 

He gets a big STFU from me.

[CommonCents]

14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Shakier isn't why they weren't in the SB.

 

Ben talks about retiring annually now.  Maybe Rudolph won't help, but the point of this discussions that here is/was no other 3rd round pick that would...

Some say the Garroppolo selection motivated Brady and led to another SB. FWIW

Edited May 14, 2018 by Commonsense

[26CornerBlitz]

19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, we disagree. 

 

Given that past the top handful of picks, something like 2/3 of draftees do not become NFL starters, that would kind of be a foolish expectation for most teams to have.  Goal, hope sure.  Expectation, no.

 

A quick look shows it's probably not factually true that 3rd round picks become immediate contributors that get significant snaps.  For example, last year, there were 43 3rd round picks.  Of them, only 10 started 8 or more games.   About half logged a stat, like 3 catches for 31 yards, 32 carries for 144 yds,  1 INT or the like.  Most of them were active on gameday for significant games, but usually on the field in a backup/special package or ST role.   

 

Statistically overall, for every Kareem Hunt or Cooper Kupp, there are 2 Donta Foreman, James Conners, and Amara Darbohs.

 

Who said anything about 2/3 of drafted players? I referred to the 1st three rounds with many making significant contributions last season as I intimated: https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-the-nfl-leaders-in-rookie-snap-counts

[section122]

10 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Not buying what you're selling. If the Steelers really thought that highly of Rudolph, they wouldn't have taken Edmunds and Washington in the 1st two rounds with so many teams having veretan QBs nearing the end of their careers.  I understand Big Ben's POV even if you don't.  

 

I understand Ben's pov.  He's thinking about Ben Roethlisberger and what is best for him, the Steelers are thinking about the Steelers and what is best for them. That is it.  

 

Further you say they should have taken him earlier than they got him which is a strange argument.  Why would they take him earlier?  Every pick is need vs bpa for every team.  When the players are closely ranked you take the need.  When they aren't closely ranked you take bpa.  Rudolph didn't hold the value in those picks that he did in the 3rd for the Steelers.  

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, section122 said:

 

I understand Ben's pov.  He's thinking about Ben Roethlisberger and what is best for him, the Steelers are thinking about the Steelers and what is best for them. That is it.  

 

Further you say they should have taken him earlier than they got him which is a strange argument.  Why would they take him earlier?  Every pick is need vs bpa for every team.  When the players are closely ranked you take the need.  When they aren't closely ranked you take bpa.  Rudolph didn't hold the value in those picks that he did in the 3rd for the Steelers.  

 

That's not what I said at all.  Try again. 

[section122]

19 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

That's not what I said at all.  Try again. 

 

15 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

A rather weak retort from you that doesn't refute the point of how big of an immediate contribution a 3rd round pick can make.   how your entire point is based around your dislike of Rudolph.

 

 

Clearly I don't understand your point please clarify then.

[SouthNYfan]

48 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Some say the Garroppolo selection motivated Brady and led to another SB. FWIW

 

Who said that?

It's hogwash.

Brady has never needed motivation to win.

[CommonCents]

9 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Who said that?

It's hogwash.

Brady has never needed motivation to win.

Lots of people believe that it motivated Brady. Of course Brady wouldn’t admit that but the numbers don’t lie. Before JG was drafted Brady’s passer rating has slipped to 17th, after that he won two SBs and put up some insane numbers like 120 TD to 20 INT. IIRC.

[row_33]

On 5/4/2018 at 9:27 PM, BillsFanM.D. said:

Complete lack of self awareness.  

 

 

biggest story since he mocked an opponent and patted him on the helmet.

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

Ben needs to STFU and thank his lucky stars that he has yet to be swept up in this #MeToo movement.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Who said anything about 2/3 of drafted players? I referred to the 1st three rounds with many making significant contributions last season as I intimated: https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-the-nfl-leaders-in-rookie-snap-counts

 

I did, in addressing your point.  You said " most teams have an expectation that 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks will be immediate contributors that get significant snaps"

 

Given the "bust rate" of players past the top of the 1st round and the fact that 75% of the 3rd round picks last year did not get significant starts, I pointed out that perhaps "most teams" do not have that "expectation".  Hope, yes.  Expectation, no.

 

Since we're specifically discussing Ben Roeth's comments about a 3rd round pick and what's reasonable to expect there, bringing in Rounds 1 and 2 and an article about overall rookie snap counts does not seem particularly relevant. 

 

 

[SouthNYfan]

10 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Lots of people believe that it motivated Brady. Of course Brady wouldn’t admit that but the numbers don’t lie. Before JG was drafted Brady’s passer rating has slipped to 17th, after that he won two SBs and put up some insane numbers like 120 TD to 20 INT. IIRC.

 

Stop making things up to fit your narrative.

Brady's threw a couple more ints that year than prior.

It was a slight down year.

He was adjusting to an entire new receiving crew, having lost Welker and Aaron Hernandez.

His actual qbr was just as high as before, or since.

 

Just stop.

He's always been driven to win.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I did, in addressing your point.  You said " most teams have an expectation that 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks will be immediate contributors that get significant snaps"

 

Given the "bust rate" of players past the top of the 1st round and the fact that 75% of the 3rd round picks last year did not get significant starts, I pointed out that perhaps "most teams" do not have that "expectation".  Hope, yes.  Expectation, no.

 

Since we're specifically discussing Ben Roeth's comments about a 3rd round pick and what's reasonable to expect there, bringing in Rounds 1 and 2 and an article about overall rookie snap counts does not seem particularly relevant. 

 

 

 

I find it relevant because it includes snap counts and contributions from rookies who were selected in the 3rd round or later.  One example from the Bills being Matt Milano. 

 

40 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

 

 

Clearly I don't understand your point please clarify then.

 

If the Steelers really thought that highly of Rudolph, they wouldn't have taken Edmunds and Washington in the 1st two rounds with so many teams having veteran QBs nearing the end of their careers.  Repeated just for you. 

Edited May 14, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[CommonCents]

48 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Stop making things up to fit your narrative.

Brady's threw a couple more ints that year than prior.

It was a slight down year.

He was adjusting to an entire new receiving crew, having lost Welker and Aaron Hernandez.

His actual qbr was just as high as before, or since.

 

Just stop.

He's always been driven to win.

 

What? https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.masslive.com/patriots/2017/11/bill_belichick_tom_brady_patri_1.amp

 

That took all of two seconds. Be better. Ciao.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Commonsense said:

Some say the Garroppolo selection motivated Brady and led to another SB. FWIW

 

I think they are wrong.  NE was in 2 of the previous 3 SBs  prior to 2017. 

 

In fact, Brady knew he could make Garopollo go away whenever he wanted to, and he did.

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I think they are wrong.  NE was in 2 of the previous 3 SBs  prior to 2017. 

 

In fact, Brady knew he could make Garopollo go away whenever he wanted to, and he did.

Wrong. That totally ignores JG’s contract status and the rift that developed between Kraft and B.B because of it. He was shipped out of town on a discount because B.B. wanted him in NE and kept him until the last minute. 

 

That’s the moment things changed for the Patriots and their fans. The reign is almost over, if they retained JG they would have a fair chance at remaining dominant, after Brady it’s bare now.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

48 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

I find it relevant because it includes snap counts and contributions from rookies who were selected in the 3rd round or later.  One example from the Bills being Matt Milano.

 

Let's hypothesize that you're experiencing terrible physical symptoms about 6 hours after you eat.

You want to know if something you eat is causing these physical symptoms.  Perhaps you have become allergic to meat!  (shock, horror)

 

Do you

1) eat one thing - say, a hamburger  - then look at the symptoms

or

2) eat a cheeseburger on a wheat bun, a large salad with blue cheese dressing, 3 hardboiled eggs, a glass of red wine, and a soft-serve icecream cone?

 

I'm gonna guess from your post quoted above that you'd go for Choice 2), but I put it to you that you need Choice 1) to actually address the question.

 

If you want to argue that teams have an expectation that 3rd round picks will be immediate contributors who get significant snaps, you need to specifically look at what 3rd round picks actually do as rookies, not "all rookies".

[Mr. WEO]

12 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Wrong. That totally ignores JG’s contract status and the rift that developed between Kraft and B.B because of it. He was shipped out of town on a discount because B.B. wanted him in NE and kept him until the last minute. 

 

That’s the moment things changed for the Patriots and their fans. The reign is almost over, if they retained JG they would have a fair chance at remaining dominant, after Brady it’s bare now.

 

The rift over Garopollo was mainly Brady's doing.  He had no use for Garopollo.  He did nothing for him.  Kraft couldn't deal with the recent public dressing down BB was now giving Brady after games, and neither could Brady.  So Kraft call in BB to the office and demands him to give away JG.

 

Immediately after:  Kraft is seen hugging Brady in front of the team.  Staffers were quoted as saying "he (Brady) won".

 

 

[CommonCents]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

The rift over Garopollo was mainly Brady's doing.  He had no use for Garopollo.  He did nothing for him.  Kraft couldn't deal with the recent public dressing down BB was now giving Brady after games, and neither could Brady.  So Kraft call in BB to the office and demands him to give away JG.

 

Immediately after:  Kraft is seen hugging Brady in front of the team.  Staffers were quoted as saying "he (Brady) won".

 

 

Right. He pushed him out when the time was right. The contract was expiring and he went balls to the wall on and off the field. Now look he is off on vacation and won’t be attending the offseason stuff. Where was he when Jimmy G was here? Didn’t even want to miss practices while sitting in court for all the appeals. This stuff is all out there and has been beaten to death.

 

Relating it back to Big Ben, I don’t see it as a reach that a young guy could motivate/rejuvenate an older QB who is on the back 9. Let’s take bets on Ben’s weight come September, I bet he looks better this year. 

 

 

[SouthNYfan]

27 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

What? https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.masslive.com/patriots/2017/11/bill_belichick_tom_brady_patri_1.amp

 

That took all of two seconds. Be better. Ciao.

 

So you googled an opinion article that jumps to the conclusion that Brady had ONE season not up to his usual standards (yet still made the pro bowl), an article that completely ignores the fact that in 2013 he lost Welker and Hernandez, and take that as gospel?

 

"Be better."?

Please.

You're ignoring facts.

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

So you googled an opinion article that jumps to the conclusion that Brady had ONE season not up to his usual standards (yet still made the pro bowl), an article that completely ignores the fact that in 2013 he lost Welker and Hernandez, and take that as gospel?

 

"Be better."?

Please.

You're ignoring facts.

Facts. He flew back and forth so he wouldn’t miss practices during his appeal hearings. 

 

Fact. Jimmy G. is gone and he isn’t even attending OTA’s. 

 

I’m pretty tuned into the Patriots, unfortunately I get bombarded with Pats talk because of where I live. They also listed numbers in the article which are facts. There is plenty of other media numbers who have talked the Pats QB situation to death. He lost Welker and Hernandez? Look at Gronk, Edelman, Mitchell, Amendola, games missed since JG arrived. It’s irrelevant.

 

When you accuse someone of making stuff up without doing your own research you should apologize when wrong. 

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Given the offense, Rudolph came from and the things he has to work on his ability to beat out Jones as the backup is questionable.  We'll see. 

 

No chance.  Rudolph will wipe the floor with Jones in camp and pre-season.  

[SouthNYfan]

5 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Facts. He flew back and forth so he wouldn’t miss practices during his appeal hearings. 

 

Fact. Jimmy G. is gone and he isn’t even attending OTA’s. 

 

I’m pretty tuned into the Patriots, unfortunately I get bombarded with Pats talk because of where I live. They also listed numbers in the article which are facts. There is plenty of other media numbers who have talked the Pats QB situation to death. He lost Welker and Hernandez? Look at Gronk, Edelman, Mitchell, Amendola, games missed since JG arrived. It’s irrelevant.

 

When you accuse someone of making stuff up without doing your own research you should apologize when wrong. 

 

Where am I wrong?

Your article cherry picks one season that wasn't up to his normal numbers.

Uses TD:int ratio and quarterback rating like they are the only things that matter.

A season which he lost Welker and Hernandez in the off-season and had to adjust to new receivers.

It's much more likely that it was a single season blip in a stellar career, not Brady suddenly not caring about winning anymore, and needing Jimmy G to motivate him.

Why should I apologize?

Are your feelings hurt that somebody didn't agree with you?

 

[CommonCents]

Just now, SouthNYfan said:

 

Where am I wrong?

Your article cherry picks one season that wasn't up to his normal numbers.

Uses TD:int ratio and quarterback rating like they are the only things that matter.

A season which he lost Welker and Hernandez in the off-season and had to adjust to new receivers.

It's much more likely that it was a single season blip in a stellar career, not Brady suddenly not caring about winning anymore, and needing Jimmy G to motivate him.

Why should I apologize?

Are your feelings hurt that somebody didn't agree with you?

 

It’s not about agreeing or disagreeing, it’s about accusing me of making things up when I clearly did not. You come off as a jack ass and I ain’t got time for that. 

[SouthNYfan]

38 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

It’s not about agreeing or disagreeing, it’s about accusing me of making things up when I clearly did not. You come off as a jack ass and I ain’t got time for that. 

 

You linked one article about it, yet acted like much of the media said he was motivated by it.

So you clearly went with one article and exaggerated.

3 hours ago, Commonsense said:

Some say the Garroppolo selection motivated Brady and led to another SB. FWIW

 

One article, maybe two.

That's not much.

Edited May 14, 2018 by SouthNYfan

[CommonCents]

34 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

You linked one article about it, yet acted like much of the media said he was motivated by it.

So you clearly went with one article and exaggerated.

 

One article, maybe two.

That's not much.

http://www.weei.com/articles/column/patriots-keeping-jimmy-garoppolo-2017-could-have-tom-brady-more-motivated-ever

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/mike-felger-no-bigger-motivation-brady-drafting-garoppolo%3famp

 

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/giardi-tom-brady-should-give-half-his-ring-jimmy-garoppolo

 

Tom Brady should give JG half of his ring for motivating him!!! There is a ton more.

 

we are done here. Goodluck

 

 

[SouthNYfan]

36 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

http://www.weei.com/articles/column/patriots-keeping-jimmy-garoppolo-2017-could-have-tom-brady-more-motivated-ever

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/mike-felger-no-bigger-motivation-brady-drafting-garoppolo%3famp

 

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/giardi-tom-brady-should-give-half-his-ring-jimmy-garoppolo

 

Tom Brady should give JG half of his ring for motivating him!!! There is a ton more.

 

we are done here. Goodluck

 

 

 

3 speculation articles, assuming Brady was motivated by Jimmy G, when Brady is a guy who has been motivated to win his entire NFL career.

 

I can link articles too the contrary of what you said.

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots/the_blitz/2018/01/tom_brady_says_he_doesnt_think_about_motivation_jimmy_garoppolo

 

https://nesn.com/2018/01/why-tom-brady-never-thought-about-jimmy-garoppolo-someday-taking-his-job/

 

Crazy huh?

 

Brady didn't give a crap.

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

3 speculation articles, assuming Brady was motivated by Jimmy G, when Brady is a guy who has been motivated to win his entire NFL career.

 

I can link articles too the contrary of what you said.

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots/the_blitz/2018/01/tom_brady_says_he_doesnt_think_about_motivation_jimmy_garoppolo

 

https://nesn.com/2018/01/why-tom-brady-never-thought-about-jimmy-garoppolo-someday-taking-his-job/

 

Crazy huh?

 

Brady didn't give a crap.

Did I say Brady admitted to being motivated by Jimmy G? Or did I say some people believe that he was? 

 

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Tom Brady is a man of his word. He never knew about the deflated balls but he does know that drinking excess water prevents sun burns. 

[Mr. WEO]

48 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

http://www.weei.com/articles/column/patriots-keeping-jimmy-garoppolo-2017-could-have-tom-brady-more-motivated-ever

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/mike-felger-no-bigger-motivation-brady-drafting-garoppolo%3famp

 

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/giardi-tom-brady-should-give-half-his-ring-jimmy-garoppolo

 

Tom Brady should give JG half of his ring for motivating him!!! There is a ton more.

 

we are done here. Goodluck

 

 

 

 

Makes you wonder how on earth TB was able to stay motivated enough (after eliminating JG) to keep getting to the SB this season?

 

No doubt you could trace the genesis of Brady's motivation to get to the SB back to JG's first Communion....

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Makes you wonder how on earth TB was able to stay motivated enough (after eliminating JG) to keep getting to the SB this season?

 

No doubt you could trace the genesis of Brady's motivation to get to the SB back to JG's first Communion....

 

Obviously all the SBs before Jimmy G arrived were due to Brady getting in the delorean and seeing the future of him being drafted.

Duh.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Obviously all the SBs before Jimmy G arrived were due to Brady getting in the delorean and seeing the future of him being drafted.

Duh.

 

 

Did I say Brady admitted to being motivated by Jimmy G for 17 years? Or did I say some people believe that he was?