26CornerBlitz Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: In reading through posts prior to the draft and since the draft, I really do not see anything new in regard to criticisms of Allen's abilities - it is all very well documented at this point. I do not begrudge anyone their opinion and I love healthy debates. However, he is a Buffalo Bill now and I personally don't see why anyone would want to continue focusing on the negatives. Once he gets on the field, there will be plenty of opportunities to analyze and discuss what he is doing well and what he is not. Until then, why not take a positive approach? Heaven knows I have endured enough misery with this team over the last fifty years I have followed them - I look forward to these small windows between the draft and the start of the season when I can be optimistic. You're entitled to take the positive approach to Allen or the team's 2018 prospects in general if you like. How others choose to see things shouldn't have any impact on you one way or the other. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 43 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The crusade by TBD to discredit any draft analyst who offers criticism of Allen based on technical and mental processing deficiencies in his game is beyond sad. Anyone who actually listened to the interview would realize Marino acknowledges that he could be wrong, but the critiques he offered are well considered. I get that people want Allen to succeed as we all should, but to act as if Marino or anyone else who's opinion is based on film study that clearly exposed holes in his game is nothing more than Bills' fan bunker mentality. He's not going to unsee what Allen showed and change his opinion just because some are in full Allen support mode with a refusal to acknowledge legitimate objective analysis. Yeah, how dare people offer alternative viewpoints to the four-month long crusade by analytic nerds who attempted to tear down Josh Allen's draft stock in every way possible. . We should all just shut up and accept the FACT that Allen is doomed to failure because of his poor completion percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You're entitled to take the positive approach to Allen or the team's 2018 prospects in general if you like. How others choose to see things shouldn't have any impact on you one way or the other. Cheers. Until such time as he can make throws I haven't seen in a league that he's not yet played in, my outlook will remain the same. It's going to get really boring to keep spinning the same plates between now and preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: Yeah, how dare people offer alternative viewpoints to the four-month long crusade by analytic nerds who attempted to tear down Josh Allen's draft stock in every way possible. . We should all just shut up and accept the FACT that Allen is doomed to failure because of his poor completion percentage. Pure silliness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You're entitled to take the positive approach to Allen or the team's 2018 prospects in general if you like. How others choose to see things shouldn't have any impact on you one way or the other. Cheers. Trust me, it doesn't impact me at all. It was a simple question: Why not be positive? There was nothing in the post telling anyone how they should or shouldn't see things. As a matter of fact, I said that. I also made sure to say it was how I personally choose to see it and that, personally, I don't see how continuing to focus on the negatives is beneficial at this point. But people are free to do what they want. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 14 hours ago, Sky Diver said: FanRag Sports? Is he a certified draft analyst, or a certifiable draft analyst? And uber driver? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 I like Marino and NDT scouting. His criticisms are Valid the difference of opinion and why he was drafted highly is based on growth potential rather than current ability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Just now, Blokestradamus said: Until such time as he can make throws I haven't seen in a league that he's not yet played in, my outlook will remain the same. It's going to get really boring to keep spinning the same plates between now and preseason. Hopefully the work he's done with Jordan Palmer will translate on to the field of play when he's actually under fire in real NFL games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Hopefully the work he's done with Jordan Palmer will translate on to the field of play when he's actually under fire in real NFL games. The book of Josh Allen has not yet been written. It merely needs more chapters adding. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Pure silliness. Great retort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 52 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said: Hi, it's me here. Guy that never played a down at any level and had Allen as a 3rd round talent. Huge difference between where he WILL go and where people feel he SHOULD go. You can have a third round grade on a player and that player can turn into a first round performer. It happens all the time. What you are seeing is what you are grading on. That's how it usually works. It' difficult to make projections. With Allen in contrast to Rosen you are projecting what you are believe he is capable of while with Rosen it is more about what he currently is and projecting that to the pro ranks. Based on his college career there is no question that Allen is the riskier pick when compared to Rosen. But because of the multi-faceted and complex nature of the position that is undergirded by issues relating to leadership the qb evaluation becomes much more difficult. What is sometimes lost in the discussion in comparing prospects is that you are not always comparing apples to apples. The determining factor is very often the situation the prospect is going to. What would be a good situation for one qb might be a disastrous situation for another qb. I have said it on prior posts that I believe all the top tier prospects in this class will be successful. And I believe that Allen with the right support system and with intelligent handling will turn out to be in the long run the right selection for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: I like Marino and NDT scouting. His criticisms are Valid the difference of opinion and why he was drafted highly is based on growth potential rather than current ability. Marino, Crabbs, Solak, Ledyard, and the others on that site do excellent work. 2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Great retort. It's the retort that your post deserved. 3 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said: The book of Josh Allen has not yet been written. It merely needs more chapters adding. Absolutely the case no matter the current perspective. We all will have to wait and see the ending. Edited May 4, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 26 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Marino's critique was not over the top, yet look at some of the posts that sought to discredit him and his analysis that points to exactly what I'm referring to. The OP is using Marino’s opinion of Allen to help him justify his criticism of the Bills draft choice, yet also wants to pretend that other similar analysts didn’t have a more favourable rating of Allen.. Marino is entitled to his opinion but I don’t think his analysis of this draft class should be put on a pedestal... as I posted earlier he did have Darnold at number 48 on his board.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, JohnC said: You can have a third round grade on a player and that player can turn into a first round performer. It happens all the time. What you are seeing is what you are grading on. That's how it usually works. It' difficult to make projections. With Allen in contrast to Rosen you are projecting what you are believe he is capable of while with Rosen it is more about what he currently is and projecting that to the pro ranks. Based on his college career there is no question that Allen is the riskier pick when compared to Rosen. But because of the multi-faceted and complex nature of the position that is undergirded by issues relating to leadership the qb evaluation becomes much more difficult. What is sometimes lost in the discussion in comparing prospects is that you are not always comparing apples to apples. The determining factor is very often the situation the prospect is going to. What would be a good situation for one qb might be a disastrous situation for another qb. I have said it on prior posts that I believe all the top tier prospects in this class will be successful. And I believe that Allen with the right support system and with intelligent handling will turn out to be in the long run the right selection for us. Especially at QB, my grading system is almost determined by a 'pro-readiness' factor. We've spoke about my prospect tiers a little while ago where a 3rd round grade isn't really me saying that he'll go in the 3rd, just that his path to being the franchise guy might be more elongated than his peers. Josh Rosen is so much further down the line as a player, far more refined. I think the likelihood of him working out is higher. Josh Allen is more of a wildcard for success given that his future prospects are based more prominently on growth. That's not to say that Rosen is a sure thing and Allen will be a bust at all. I just feel more comfortable with shorter odds because the longer the odds, the bigger the gamble I'm taking with my stake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: The OP is using Marino’s opinion of Allen to help him justify his criticism of the Bills draft choice, yet also wants to pretend that other similar analysts didn’t have a more favourable rating of Allen.. Marino is entitled to his opinion but I don’t think his analysis of this draft class should be put on a pedestal... as I posted earlier he did have Darnold at number 48 on his board.. You have to take that up with the OP. Marino's critique is fair and IMO should be considered only with what you have seen for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 35 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Marino's critique was not over the top, yet look at some of the posts that sought to discredit him and his analysis that points to exactly what I'm referring to. People are critical of that because it's just another guy on a blog without all the information n needed to make a cogent analysis. I don't put any stock in anything any of these guys say, regardless if they're positive or negative about a guy, if their name is Kiper, etc. Because they don't have access to nearly all the data NFL have. When any of these guys can tell me they have sat down and interviewed a guy, have sat him in front of a white board and quizzed him, have reached out to the guy's teammates, coaches etc. and got that kind of background data, then I'll give them credibility. Until then, all this stuff is just noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: People are critical of that because it's just another guy on a blog without all the information n needed to make a cogent analysis. I don't put any stock in anything any of these guys say, regardless if they're positive or negative about a guy, if their name is Kiper, etc. Because they don't have access to nearly all the data NFL have. When any of these guys can tell me they have sat down and interviewed a guy, have sat him in front of a white board and quizzed him, have reached out to the guy's teammates, coaches etc. and got that kind of background data, then I'll give them credibility. Until then, all this stuff is just noise. Your prerogative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You have to take that up with the OP. Marino's critique is fair and IMO should be considered only with what you have seen for yourself. I have but he seems to have disappeared... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Your prerogative. As it is your prerogative to buy into anything that fits your preconceived bias. One perspective is rooted in statistical reality, one is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: As it is your prerogative to buy into anything that fits your preconceived bias. One perspective is rooted in statistical reality, one is not. What is my preconceived bias since you seem to know? Let's hear your statistical reality while you're at it. Edited May 4, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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