Kelly the Dog Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, WMDman said: I think Proehl makes the 53 and RayRay takes the T. Jones spot There are three spots. Last year it was Shady, Tolbert and either Cadet or Taiwan. Cadet is back. Tolbert has been replaced by Ivory. If Ray takes the #3 RB spot he has to be a RB the majority of the time. I doubt they do that. To me it’s much more likely he’s the #6 wr who they line up at RB a lot and throw him passes out of the backfield, put him in motion, run jet sweeps, give him pitchouts once in a while. I like that idea. But it’s not the #3 rb spot. If Shady is hurt you don’t want Ivory or Ray Ray as your starting RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I think Proehl has some talent. I think he has a decent chance to make the team. That said, what I don’t think is going to happen is Ray Ray, selected ahead of him, Proehl, and zay all making the 53. I think they are going to use Ray Ray as a Wr, RB, gadget guy, but I don’t think 6 wr are going to have 3 slot guys which is pretty much what McCloud, Proehl and Zay are. Fortunately or unfortunately, I believe the plan is to use Zay on the outside. I’m pretty sure I remember McD saying that. Edited May 14, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Fortunately or unfortunately, I believe the plan is to use Zay on the outside. I’m pretty sure I remember McD saying that. He’s no good at it though. he’s terrible tracking the ball 20 yards downfield. He made 90% of his catches in college as the equivalent of the slot guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: There are three spots. Last year it was Shady, Tolbert and either Cadet or Taiwan. Cadet is back. Tolbert has been replaced by Ivory. If Ray takes the #3 RB spot he has to be a RB the majority of the time. I doubt they do that. To me it’s much more likely he’s the #6 wr who they line up at RB a lot and throw him passes out of the backfield, put him in motion, run jet sweeps, give him pitchouts once in a while. I like that idea. But it’s not the #3 rb spot. If Shady is hurt you don’t want Ivory or Ray Ray as your starting RB Im not saying they list him as a RB, I just think he takes over for Taiwan on STs, catching out of the backfield etc. I have a gut feeling that they keep KB13, Zay, Kerley, Streater, Ray, Proehl and Clay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Just now, WMDman said: Im not saying they list him as a RB, I just think he takes over for Taiwan on STs, catching out of the backfield etc. I have a gut feeling that they keep KB13, Zay, Kerley, Streater, Ray, Proehl and Clay I could see that. But it would be, in that scenario, someone like Banyard or Cadet taking over the Taiwan role, which is the #3 Rb and still a need in your scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 29 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: He’s no good at it though. he’s terrible tracking the ball 20 yards downfield. He made 90% of his catches in college as the equivalent of the slot guy. That’s why I said “unfortunately”... they don’t have much choice with who they have right now unless someone emerges who can separate downfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: Yep. I didn’t forget about Kerley but you’re right I should have mentioned him. To me, only Benjamin and Zay are locks to make the team. The third most likely guy would be Kerley. He used to be pretty damn good. Now not so much but decent. Compared to the rest of the league our WR are terrible. I don't think Zay is a lock. They wouldn't have to cut him because someone would trade *something* for him........but I could definitely see him being traded before or early in camp. A suspension wouldn't surprise either. KB is the only lock. Hard to see them extending KB long term for a number of reasons.......including the fact that he will be 28 when he hits FA. So some of these scrub-pedigree WR they've assembled really need to blossom for this season and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 49 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I don't think Zay is a lock. They wouldn't have to cut him because someone would trade *something* for him........but I could definitely see him being traded before or early in camp. A suspension wouldn't surprise either. KB is the only lock. Hard to see them extending KB long term for a number of reasons.......including the fact that he will be 28 when he hits FA. So some of these scrub-pedigree WR they've assembled really need to blossom for this season and beyond. I think perhaps lock means they aren’t going to cut him. No one is a lock if you include trades. But I doubt we would trade him either because I doubt we could get anything whatsoever for him. A guy who dropped everything who had a bizarre psychological incident in the off season is not hot on any team’s list of priorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 11 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: I think perhaps lock means they aren’t going to cut him. No one is a lock if you include trades. But I doubt we would trade him either because I doubt we could get anything whatsoever for him. A guy who dropped everything who had a bizarre psychological incident in the off season is not hot on any team’s list of priorities. Yeah I certainly don't think they will cut him. Not sure where he fits with this offense though either. That draft is so recent that someone that was enamored with him might trade a 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Call_Of_Ktulu Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 6.75 3 cone is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 No doubt Daboll is loading up on slot WRs to add formation flexibility similar to what NE does. Frankly I don't see where a guy like Zay fits into that regime and it wouldn't shock me if he's dealt for a 5th or 6th in August. If he does manage to stick around for the final 53 and gets out-produced this season by Mr. Almost Irrelevant, he'll be cut outright after 2018 concludes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: No doubt Daboll is loading up on slot WRs to add formation flexibility similar to what NE does. Frankly I don't see where a guy like Zay fits into that regime and it wouldn't shock me if he's dealt for a 5th or 6th in August. If he does manage to stick around for the final 53 and gets out-produced this season by Mr. Almost Irrelevant, he'll be cut outright after 2018 concludes. well Zay is a slot reciever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 I wish we would've drafted Juju Smith instead of Jones. I liked both WR's but I liked Juju a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: No doubt Daboll is loading up on slot WRs to add formation flexibility similar to what NE does. Frankly I don't see where a guy like Zay fits into that regime and it wouldn't shock me if he's dealt for a 5th or 6th in August. If he does manage to stick around for the final 53 and gets out-produced this season by Mr. Almost Irrelevant, he'll be cut outright after 2018 concludes. Even though they did draft two slot guys (granted in sixth and seventh round) it’s impossible to believe these three things simultaneously: 1) Beane bet his job on moving up and taking Josh Allen. 2) Brian Daboll built an offense specifically for Josh Allen. 3) That offense is built around a lot of quick short passes to slot receivers like NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 36 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: No doubt Daboll is loading up on slot WRs to add formation flexibility similar to what NE does. Frankly I don't see where a guy like Zay fits into that regime and it wouldn't shock me if he's dealt for a 5th or 6th in August. If he does manage to stick around for the final 53 and gets out-produced this season by Mr. Almost Irrelevant, he'll be cut outright after 2018 concludes. Who is going to give up any pick for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: Even though they did draft two slot guys (granted in sixth and seventh round) it’s impossible to believe these three things simultaneously: 1) Beane bet his job on moving up and taking Josh Allen. 2) Brian Daboll built an offense specifically for Josh Allen. 3) That offense is built around a lot of quick short passes to slot receivers like NE. I agree - I don't buy (2). I've heard it just like we all have, and it sounds like B.S. to me. Daboll may have built a PLAN for Josh Allen but not an offense. If you're building an offense for Josh Allen you add some vertical threats and three or four 6'6'' WRs and TEs (established, uninjured ones). Edited May 14, 2018 by Coach Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I agree - I don't buy (2). I've heard it just like we all have, and it sounds like B.S. to me. Daboll may have built a PLAN for Josh Allen but not an offense. If you're building an offense for Josh Allen you add some vertical threats and three or four 6'6'' WRs and TEs (established, uninjured ones). All offenses have 50+ short pass plays, 50+ medium pass plays and 50+ deep pass plays written into them. It's just a matter of which pass plays they concentrate on and practice a lot and tweak to work toward players strengths. In that respect plan = build. There was also a statement by Beane that during the draft he had difficulty telling Daboll why they were taking all these defensive players in 2-3-4-5 when he wanted offensive guys obviously. So Daboll is not picking players. In fact, the ONLY player we know Daboll did have influence on was big deep threat speedster Robert Foster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Who is going to give up any pick for him? I don’t think he was *that* bad. Would like to see him with a real QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 19 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Can't see the Bills trading away a 2nd rounder that the new regime hand picked just a year ago.... If Whaley picked him they'd have no problems shipping him out. They had no issues cutting coaches new regime hand picked just a year ago. Is the difference the cap and McD does not care about wasting Pegulas' money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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