RD1, Pick 7: Josh Allen QB - Wyoming

[Buffalo716]

He did have over 20 drops on the season.

 

Add 11 completions , 1 over every game for drops and his % rises to 60%

 

Add 15 over 11 games or 1.3 completions per game to compensate for drops and his completion % rises to a respectable 61.8%

 

his team dropped more than that too

Edited April 28, 2018 by Buffalo716

[BigDingus]

5 minutes ago, 4thandGoal said:

and go watch the videos with Rich Eisen and Trent Dilfer-- thats all I need to see to at least give this guy a chance.  wooohooo  3 potential starters... gotta love it

 

I'm glad you're excited, and I certainly will give the kid a chance. I'll support all these guys until they give me a reason not to. 

But if Allen pans out and becomes a franchise QB, he will be the first QB in all modern NFL History to do so after a college career such as his. And the odds of the Bills patiently developing a guy as raw and unproven as him, coupled with being able to be the first team successful in turning a guy like that into gold seem worse than winning the Powerball.

Not once do I remember a QB being drafted whose hype was all around arm strength, hand size, height, weight, athleticism, etc. and not around on-field play, accuracy, decision making, ability to read a defense, wins against good competition, stats, football IQ, etc. turning out well. The "project" QB without a single veteran QB on the roster to learn from and sit behind also doesn't bode well.

Edited April 28, 2018 by BigDingus

[Rebel101]

12 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

I mean Allen alone shows they screwed up royally, but letting go of two 2nd round picks to get him? Wow....I'm still in shock.

Just read what Rodger Sherman said about the selection. That's pretty much exactly how I feel - https://goo.gl/YMBvx4
 

"I would consider any team that used a first-round pick on Josh Allen to be the biggest loser of the first round. No good NFL quarterback has ever had statistics as bad as Allen's college stats; his best-case statistical comparables include Brian Griese and Josh McCown.

 

There are just so many videos of him missing easy passes so badly. Sure, his arm is strong enough that teams should value his potential, but "extremely strong quarterback who may never learn how to throw to receivers" seems to me like a Day 3 pick, not a first-rounder. I remain baffled that he was treated like a top prospect throughout the entire draft process.

 

But the Bills didn't just draft Allen. They traded up to get him, giving up two second-round picks to move up five spots. That's a massive overpay on any draft value chart. And then the Bills also traded a third-rounder to the Ravens to move up from the 22nd pick to the 16th to select Tremaine Edmunds.

 

Trading up is the move of a team in win-now mode. The Bills did so--but they selected a quarterback whose supporters even consider him a project. That doesn't jibe. I'm so happy that the Bills got to the playoffs last year, and so confused about their future."

Read that as well and felt the same way...I really wanted Mayfield but when it was down to Rosen or Allen I prayed they didnt waste everything for Allen but **** happens just hope he is worth it because I honestly think it was a huge mistake

N 100% correct we passed on projects last year to gain draft capital then pissed it all away to draft a historically untrainable prospect n i hate that so many fans are just happy we drafted a QB so high when they dont understand the actual skills or stats this kid has coming iuy of college just because some scouts love him and mike mayock wants to have his children doesn't mean he is good...the only thing i believe that sets Allen apart from previous prospects with such bad stats is that he hasnt played football his whole life he only started playing i believe his senior or junior year of high school so all we can do is hope but how far has that got us in the past?

[John from Riverside]

22 minutes ago, Heitz said:

 

Love me some Jackson Hole, one of my favorite places in the world - WY gets two thumbs up in my book!!

Lived in Kemmer as a youth

[BigDingus]

He wasn't even 1st team or 2nd team All-Mountain West Conference player.... yet he's suddenly going to kick it up to the next level against MUCH more difficult competition? He was 0-3 against Power 5 conference teams, and threw for 1 TD and 8 INT's against them. 

Even against non-Power 5 teams, and the benefit of colleges picking and choosing their opponents (usually lining up some Division 2 schools and easy wins to pad their record), Allen was not impressive ON THE FIELD where it actually mattered.

In college, QB's can have outrageous stats if they're even half way decent, chunking the ball downfield left & right. Allen somehow managed to have worse numbers than Tyrod Taylor in College in the Mountain West, averaging 164 yards a game last year, with only 3 total games of throwing for more than 1 TD (he threw for 2, 3 and 4 once each). He had just as many games throwing for 0 TD's.

And what other QB has ever had a 56% average completion rating (along with all the other poor stats) in college and managed to somehow get it up to the 62%+ needed in the NFL to actually be respectable? No matter what can be said about him, the Bills gambled and took the absolute riskiest "top" QB in the entire draft, and they don't have history behind them to believe they'll turn him into a franchise guy.

 

 

**Edit** And the excuse "well maybe the talent around him wasn't good enough!" because that doesn't work either. The opponents he played for the large majority of his games had the same level talent to work with. Plenty of QB's from smaller schools, even those in Power 5 Conferences that don't put much into football, have come out of college having fantastic on-field play to backup their "potential." 

Edited April 28, 2018 by BigDingus

[Rebel101]

2 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

He wasn't even 1st team or 2nd team All-Mountain West Conference player.... yet he's suddenly going to kick it up to the next level against MUCH more difficult competition? He was 0-3 against Power 5 conference teams, and threw for 1 TD and 8 INT's against them. 

Even against non-Power 5 teams, and the benefit of colleges picking and choosing their opponents (usually lining up some Division 2 schools and easy wins to pad their record), Allen was not impressive ON THE FIELD where it actually mattered.

In college, QB's can have outrageous stats if they're even half way decent, chunking the ball downfield left & right. Allen somehow managed to have worse numbers than Tyrod Taylor in College in the Mountain West, averaging 164 yards a game last year, with only 3 total games of throwing for more than 1 TD (he threw for 2, 3 and 4 once each). He had just as many games throwing for 0 TD's.

And what other QB has ever had a 56% average completion rating (along with all the other poor stats) in college and managed to somehow get it up to the 62%+ needed in the NFL to actually be respectable? No matter what can be said about him, the Bills gambled and took the absolute riskiest "top" QB in the entire draft, and they don't have history behind them to believe they'll turn him into a franchise guy.

 Lol i know he was an honorable mention ??? and just became a top 10 pick

[Nihilarian]

This is funny as most Bills fans wanted this FO to trade the farm for Josh Rosen at the #2 pick. That was two #1s, two #2s, two #3s AND probably next years first round pick. So Beane told them to shove it.

 

The Bills somehow managed to get their franchise QB of the future and a stud at ILBer in the first round and some fans are bleating like stuck baby sheep.  Two blue-chip players and fans are crying. 

 

Instead, they should be crapping glitter and cheering what this FO has done so far. 

[Rebel101]

3 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

This is funny as most Bills fans wanted this FO to trade the farm for Josh Rosen at the #2 pick. That was two #1s, two #2s, two #3s AND probably next years first round pick. So Beane told them to shove it.

 

The Bills somehow managed to get their franchise QB of the future and a stud at ILBer in the first round and some fans are bleating like stuck baby sheep.  Two blue-chip players and fans are crying. 

 

Instead, they should be crapping glitter and cheering what this FO has done so far. 

I didn't want them to trade anything and they didn't have to and still could have got Rosen or Allen at 12 

[26TrapDraw]

3 hours ago, Rebel101 said:

We gave away an opportunity to build a deep solid roster and to give away so much for a QB who I believe was the 7th or 8th rated QB in this draft was a huge mistake. The trade up for Edmunds would have been a great move if we didnt already give away both 2nds for Allen. I would have preferred us to stay put and still would have probably been able to get Allen but I'd rather have had Rosen. Hands down the best passer in this draft. But i would have wanted us to use all the picks to build a savage squad and gave away the farm next year for a QB and gave mccarron a chance to prove himself n just to build a team that was a QB away from greatness. I hope Allen develops into a Super Bowl QB but if he doesnt this draft will go down as a huge franchise failure and will set us back for years compared to what we could have done with the arsenal of picks we had

Clown post Bro.

[Rebel101]

4 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

This is funny as most Bills fans wanted this FO to trade the farm for Josh Rosen at the #2 pick. That was two #1s, two #2s, two #3s AND probably next years first round pick. So Beane told them to shove it.

 

The Bills somehow managed to get their franchise QB of the future and a stud at ILBer in the first round and some fans are bleating like stuck baby sheep.  Two blue-chip players and fans are crying. 

 

Instead, they should be crapping glitter and cheering what this FO has done so far. 

And the Bills had a deal set up with the Broncos to go up to 5 so who knows what that would have costed...almost every scout is saying Josh Allen will need to sit atleast 2 years before he can start do you think a top ten pick is worth a 2 year wait n worth giving up 2 2nd round picks when we couldhave just drafted Watson last year n not even got all this draft capital to waste to begin with and had a proven player 

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

I didn't want them to trade anything and they didn't have to and still could have got Rosen or Allen at 12 

People like you keep saying this without a inkling whether it is true or not

 

A lot of us were Rosen guys.....but you have to give credit to a front office that goes and aggressively gets THEIR guy without hamstringing themselves

 

So far they are up to 3 very possible starters

[RocCityRoller]

1 hour ago, Manther said:

Funny like a clown

 

https://youtu.be/IWINtUCshxY

[Rebel101]

1 minute ago, BeefCurtns said:

Clown post Bro.

So tell me why it was a great pick at 7 for Josh Allen...give me 1 stat 1 piece of info that shows me he is worth it

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Rebel101 said:

And the Bills had a deal set up with the Broncos to go up to 5 so who knows what that would have costed...almost every scout is saying Josh Allen will need to sit atleast 2 years before he can start do you think a top ten pick is worth a 2 year wait n worth giving up 2 2nd round picks when we couldhave just drafted Watson last year n not even got all this draft capital to waste to begin with and had a proven player 

We arent looking for a proven player....we are looking for a franchise player....and sometimes those guys need time

1 minute ago, Rebel101 said:

So tell me why it was a great pick at 7 for Josh Allen...give me 1 stat 1 piece of info that shows me he is worth it

Stat....because everyone considered him a top 10 pick

Info...because Beane also thought so

 

And that is all that matters

[bkep32]

2 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

I didn't want them to trade anything and they didn't have to and still could have got Rosen or Allen at 12 

you dont know that....cardinals showed after we picked allen they had to move up..also baltimore moved back in to get lamar maybe they would have wanted rosen or allen as well.  If we sit at 12...then maybe we get leap frogged by both and miami still sitting at 11, they could have taken rosen if cards moved up and took allen and we just sat there.  So beane said there was 1 QB they liked and it was him.  In stead of every bill fan complaining we never get a QB lets enjoy the fact the bills made a move to get a QB let it play out for 2-3 years then you can come back and say told you so.  Until then shut the hell up to all the nay sayers.  1st 3 rounds we have 3 picks.  Allen, Edmunds, Phillips.  Any other draft thats pretty solid.  

[Rebel101]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

People like you keep saying this without a inkling whether it is true or not

 

A lot of us were Rosen guys.....but you have to give credit to a front office that goes and aggressively gets THEIR guy without hamstringing themselves

 

So far they are up to 3 very possible starters

I love the other 2 picks but i dont give it to the front office Rosen got taken at 10 and the dolphins werent taken a QB so either Rosen or Allen would have been at 12 so no i didnt give it to anyone who doesnt play it as smart as they could n i love McDermott as a coach but this was a sloppy handle of picks

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

We arent looking for a proven player....we are looking for a franchise player....and sometimes those guys need time

Stat....because everyone considered him a top 10 pick

Info...because Beane also thought so

 

And that is all that matters

Hahaha once upon a time everyone thought the world was flat...you are a someone who is easily manipulated and believes everything you are told you arent worth my time....

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

I love the other 2 picks but i dont give it to the front office Rosen got taken at 10 and the dolphins werent taken a QB so either Rosen or Allen would have been at 12 so no i didnt give it to anyone who doesnt play it as smart as they could n i love McDermott as a coach but this was a sloppy handle of picks

Unreal

 

As if you were actually in other teams NFL war rooms

Ill trust Beane whos ass is on the line with the pick

 

by the way you have been paroting the same line since your OP post so nobody is gonna change your mind......think what you want.

Edited April 28, 2018 by John from Riverside

[26TrapDraw]

5 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

So tell me why it was a great pick at 7 for Josh Allen...give me 1 stat 1 piece of info that shows me he is worth it

It's a clown post cause until he plays we won't know.

[billsbackto81]

29 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

He wasn't even 1st team or 2nd team All-Mountain West Conference player.... yet he's suddenly going to kick it up to the next level against MUCH more difficult competition? He was 0-3 against Power 5 conference teams, and threw for 1 TD and 8 INT's against them. 

Even against non-Power 5 teams, and the benefit of colleges picking and choosing their opponents (usually lining up some Division 2 schools and easy wins to pad their record), Allen was not impressive ON THE FIELD where it actually mattered.

In college, QB's can have outrageous stats if they're even half way decent, chunking the ball downfield left & right. Allen somehow managed to have worse numbers than Tyrod Taylor in College in the Mountain West, averaging 164 yards a game last year, with only 3 total games of throwing for more than 1 TD (he threw for 2, 3 and 4 once each). He had just as many games throwing for 0 TD's.

And what other QB has ever had a 56% average completion rating (along with all the other poor stats) in college and managed to somehow get it up to the 62%+ needed in the NFL to actually be respectable? No matter what can be said about him, the Bills gambled and took the absolute riskiest "top" QB in the entire draft, and they don't have history behind them to believe they'll turn him into a franchise guy.

 

 

**Edit** And the excuse "well maybe the talent around him wasn't good enough!" because that doesn't work either. The opponents he played for the large majority of his games had the same level talent to work with. Plenty of QB's from smaller schools, even those in Power 5 Conferences that don't put much into football, have come out of college having fantastic on-field play to backup their "potential." 

Wrong.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Favre

[Rebel101]

3 minutes ago, bkep32 said:

you dont know that....cardinals showed after we picked allen they had to move up..also baltimore moved back in to get lamar maybe they would have wanted rosen or allen as well.  If we sit at 12...then maybe we get leap frogged by both and miami still sitting at 11, they could have taken rosen if cards moved up and took allen and we just sat there.  So beane said there was 1 QB they liked and it was him.  In stead of every bill fan complaining we never get a QB lets enjoy the fact the bills made a move to get a QB let it play out for 2-3 years then you can come back and say told you so.  Until then shut the hell up to all the nay sayers.  1st 3 rounds we have 3 picks.  Allen, Edmunds, Phillips.  Any other draft thats pretty solid.  

So if the cardinals wanted someone so bad and they moved up to lets say 8 or 9 and grabbed allen or rosen then we couldn't move up and grab the next guy? I hope he works out n i hope i am wrong but it could have been played smarter n if you dont like my opinion its my thread dumb ass so why dont you put something in your mouth and stay quiet

3 minutes ago, BeefCurtns said:

It's a clown post cause until he plays we won't know.

Right so hit me in 3 years after i impregnate your girl and make you take care of the baby n we can bond about how josh allen sucks

3 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Wrong.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Favre

What is wrong about that?