Shaw66 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: You're speculation more then I ever did. I don't know any of this you want about Beane to be true is actually true. Well, you just don't understand. Speculation? What is speculation? The Colts GM said after the trade with the Jets that they wanted to stay in the top 10. That's not speculation; it's a quote. The Bills did not have a pick in the top 10. That's not speculation; it's verfiable fact. (They still don't.) So under those circumstances, what was Beane supposed to do to get the Colts to trade with him? Just to refresh your memory: Colts wanted a top 10 pick and the Bills didn't have one. What was Beane supposed to do? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: You're speculating more then I ever did. I don't know any of this you want about Beane to be true is actually true. He isn't. He's going by what the Colts actually said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 when angry threads go south... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 hour ago, CuddyDark said: Something I've been thinking. Bills fell asleep at the wheel. Why do I say this? Everyone said Colts didn't want to trade out of the top 10. I believed this also, but the more I see mock drafts and hear the Colts GM saying he's not apposed to moving down the more I think Beane overplayed his hand for the 3rd pick. Beane probably tried to haggle and they said, screw you and took a deal with the Jets. Now here's the hard part. I believe if Whaley is the GM we have the 3rd overall pick today and everyone is projecting we get Darnold or Rosen. It's sickening. Whaley would have given up "too much" but we'd be in a better position. JMO. The game is still being played................let's all wait for the game to be over before we see who win's or losses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 The Jets deal was just the best scenario for the Colts. They don't need a QB assuming Luck returns and plays as he did previously. Taking the Jets offer gives them options that taking the Bills offer did not. If all 4 QB's go in the top 5 picks (Browns, Giants, Jet, Broncos) then the Colts potentially have their choice of Chub or Barkley or a top position player of their choosing and 3 2nd round picks (4,5, and 17 in rd 2). If 1 or more of the QB's falls to 6 they can still trade out of that pick with the Bills or some other team and acquire even more picks in 2018 or 2019. Taking the Bills offer of 3 for 12, 22, and some other picks would mean they were likely done gathering picks unless a specific player dropped and some team wanted to move up a couple slots on draft night. It didn't matter what Beane had to offer for #3 in rd 1 since it could not match any multiple trade back situation scenarios the Colts find themselves in going into the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Well, you just don't understand. Speculation? What is speculation? The Colts GM said after the trade with the Jets that they wanted to stay in the top 10. That's not speculation; it's a quote. The Bills did not have a pick in the top 10. That's not speculation; it's verfiable fact. (They still don't.) So under those circumstances, what was Beane supposed to do to get the Colts to trade with him? Just to refresh your memory: Colts wanted a top 10 pick and the Bills didn't have one. What was Beane supposed to do? this is an important and overlooked point. Barring a sub prime mortgage on OBD we have the means to get between Miami and Denver and no further 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, stuvian said: this is an important and overlooked point. Barring a sub prime mortgage on OBD we have the means to get between Miami and Denver and no further Never say never, but I think this is correct. It's very difficult to see how any team, except possibly the Colts, could trade into the top 4 at this point. It's quite unlikely that any of the top 4 teams (5 picks), wants to move out, so the price to get them to move gets unreasonable. Colts, Bucs and Bears have the next three picks, so they might have a shot if they REALLY wanted someone in the top 5. Other than that, I don't see how anyone cracks the top 5. 18 minutes ago, teef said: when angry threads go south... always worth reading, even if it's only 5 words! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 27 minutes ago, teef said: when angry threads go south... Was never angry. Point of view is not angry. People can disagree with you or have a differing view without being angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) March 17th 9:00am Beane calls Ballard: Beane: I'll give you our 21st, 22nd and 65th for your 3rd. Ballard: Hmmm. Give me 5 minutes March 17th 9:05am Ballard calls Maccagnan: Ballard: I've got a decent offer from another team, but we really want to stay in the top 10. What can you offer? Maccagnan: I'll give our 6th, 37th, 49th and next years 2nd rounder, which should be around 35. Ballard: Silence.... more silence... "Where do I sign?" March 17th 9:10am Ballard calls Beane: Ballard: I got a really good deal... Here's what I will need for you to match, Your 21st, 22nd, 53rd, 65th and next years 1st rounder. Beane: Silence... more silence... *click* Yep. Beanes fault. *SARCASM* Edited April 23, 2018 by Bills Pimpin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 34 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Well, you just don't understand. Speculation? What is speculation? The Colts GM said after the trade with the Jets that they wanted to stay in the top 10. That's not speculation; it's a quote. The Bills did not have a pick in the top 10. That's not speculation; it's verfiable fact. (They still don't.) So under those circumstances, what was Beane supposed to do to get the Colts to trade with him? Just to refresh your memory: Colts wanted a top 10 pick and the Bills didn't have one. What was Beane supposed to do? I disagree with this as I've said twice. I'm saying if they said they won't move because they want a bluechip player and now they're saying they'll move that means it was never about the blue-chip player or the "top 10." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Am I missing something? Did the jets not way overpay to move up a few spots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Bills Pimpin' said: March 17th 9:00am Beane calls Ballard: Beane: I'll give you our 21st, 22nd and 65th for your 3rd. Ballard: Hmmm. Give me 5 minutes March 17th 9:05am Ballard calls Maccagnan: Ballard: I've got a decent offer from another team, but we really want to stay in the top 10. What can you offer? Maccagnan: I'll give our 6th, 37th, 49th and next years 2nd rounder, which should be around 35. Ballard: Silence.... more silence... "Where do I sign?" March 17th 9:10am Ballard calls Beane: Ballard: I got a really good deal... Here's what I will need for you to match, Your 21st, 22nd, 53rd, 65th and next years 1st rounder. Beane: Silence... more silence... *click* Yep. Beanes fault. Sounds like it. Beane let him get to the next offer when he could have blown his socks off. That's is my entire point, don't you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: Sounds like it. Beane let him get to the next offer when he could have blown his socks off. That's is my entire point, don't you know? No he should have reached through the phone and FORCED him to take it..... Dammit Bean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Am I missing something? Did the jets not way overpay to move up a few spots? Bills fans came here dying for a QB saying they'll pay anything. Now they've settled. It's interesting. "Trust the process." Maybe it'll workout and we'll settle for whoever drops. We said we didn't want that just a couple of months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, CuddyDark said: Bills fans came here dying for a QB saying they'll pay anything. Now they've settled. It's interesting. "Trust the process." Maybe it'll workout and we'll settle for whoever drops. We said we didn't want that just a couple of months ago. Bills fans might have said it Beane did not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: Bills fans might have said it Beane did not That's my point. What if Beane is a passive GM who waits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Sounds like it. Beane let him get to the next offer when he could have blown his socks off. That's is my entire point, don't you know? A GM isn't taking the first offer. Especially when it doesn't involve a top ten pick off the bat. Sorry, but that scenario is pure fantasy. Zero basis in reality . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, CuddyDark said: That's my point. What if Beane is a passive GM who waits? I think this is a wait and see It certainly does not feel that way the way he turned the roster over for draft picks this last year. Lets see how the draft plays out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Bills fans came here dying for a QB saying they'll pay anything. Now they've settled. It's interesting. "Trust the process." Maybe it'll workout and we'll settle for whoever drops. We said we didn't want that just a couple of months ago. I don't want a GM who listens to the fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Sounds like it. Beane let him get to the next offer when he could have blown his socks off. That's is my entire point, don't you know? No way I would want my GM to overpay this significantly for the 3rd pick when he has no idea who will be there. If you do, that's a you problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts