buffaloboyinATL Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) To me, "blue collar" is a midset, not necessarily the jobs that people do in a given community. Buffalo always had a blue collar mentality when I grew up there and as far as I can tell, whenever I visit, it still does. Edited April 18, 2018 by buffaloboyinATL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneblitz Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 This thread is dumb, however "blue collar" is a value system, not nessesarily a state of economics, and yes we have blue collar values and are a Blue collar town, this is a big reason why a arrogant aithiest rich kid like Josh Rosen doesn't fit with our community nor in our locker room, he's the anti Jim Kelly, who's come to symbolize what a great QB is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: To me, "blue colla"r is a midset, not necessarily the jobs that people do in a given community. Buffalo always had a blue collar mentality when I grew up there and as far as I can tell, whenever I visit, it still does. Was just about to chime in on this, you nailed it. I hold onto my blue collar roots. My grandfathers, dad and uncles ALL worked their asses off in plants. I am the first professional in my family that got a degree and a job. But you better believe I hold onto the same work ethic and the same “realness” that the men in my family exemplified for generations before me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said: Was just about to chime in on this, you nailed it. I hold onto my blue collar roots. My grandfathers, dad and uncles ALL worked their asses off in plants. I am the first professional in my family that got a degree and a job. But you better believe I hold onto the same work ethic and the same “realness” that the men in my family exemplified for generations before me. You said it even better. That work ethic, among other things, is what "blue collar" means to me. And yes, Allen is more likely to fit with that mentality than Rosen, for example, but I am sure the community will embrace anyone that the team drafts to lead this franchise. Edited April 18, 2018 by buffaloboyinATL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 People say that City Hall finally is helping spur downtown development. I always laugh at this. One of the reasons TP gets a free pass from me is his willingness to put his money where is mouth is. The "plant sod in a vacant lot to make it look better" story is a reminder Buffalo politics are still lacking in sanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) What's a "blue collar" player anyway? A big Eastern European brute who lumbers around the field, isn't particularly refined, but they bring their lunch pail and a "Can do!" attitude to work every day? I'd rather just take talented players and let the sports radio guys worry about the rest. If OBD wants a big arm, big bodied, smart player with tremendous upside, they'll pick Allen, period. If this is just a thread to whine about Buffalo, I've got my opinions. I did leave and don't intend to return, so you can put the pieces together Edited April 18, 2018 by TheElectricCompany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 36 minutes ago, greeneblitz said: This thread is dumb, however "blue collar" is a value system, not nessesarily a state of economics, and yes we have blue collar values and are a Blue collar town, this is a big reason why a arrogant aithiest rich kid like Josh Rosen doesn't fit with our community nor in our locker room, he's the anti Jim Kelly, who's come to symbolize what a great QB is. Ah, Jim Kelly wasn't exactly a fit with out city when he was drafted, either. Seems he was more of a Houston guy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 44 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said: Was just about to chime in on this, you nailed it. I hold onto my blue collar roots. My grandfathers, dad and uncles ALL worked their asses off in plants. I am the first professional in my family that got a degree and a job. But you better believe I hold onto the same work ethic and the same “realness” that the men in my family exemplified for generations before me. Thats what blue collar means. The roots of the city and where Buffalonians came from. My father was technically a white collared engineer and worked his way through the mgmt ranks- did well. But did his own yard work, worked on his own cars and house and scrimped and saved to build a better future for the family. Worked his tail off would do anything for his neighbors. Blue collar to me is exemplified by that massive ice storm that came through and decimated the region a decade or so ago- people grabbed their chainsaws and axes and got to work cleaning up the joint instead of waiting around for someone to rescue them. There isn’t really such thing as a “manufacturing city” in the United States anymore, maybe Detroit or Huntsville... bet even there it way different now. But those blue collar values I’m sure are still there as most of the folks that live there had generations of Buffalonians preceding them. I wouldn’t move back there ever, but I get why people stay and/or return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 3 hours ago, kdiggz said: I'm definitely not blue collar. Anyone that thinks Buffalo is blue collar hasnt visited in the past 5 yrs. It's all yuppies. Houses are expensive in the city. Not many traditional blue collar workers can afford houses near Elmwood Shutup hipster. (Jk it was just an easy one) 51 minutes ago, greeneblitz said: This thread is dumb, however "blue collar" is a value system, not nessesarily a state of economics, and yes we have blue collar values and are a Blue collar town, this is a big reason why a arrogant aithiest rich kid like Josh Rosen doesn't fit with our community nor in our locker room, he's the anti Jim Kelly, who's come to symbolize what a great QB is. 14 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: Ah, Jim Kelly wasn't exactly a fit with out city when he was drafted, either. Seems he was more of a Houston guy.... Beat be to it tenhigh. People love to preach revisionist history. Kelly was a sunglasses wearing, beach loving, arrogant punk when he was drafted. He went to the USFL to avoid Buffalo. He admitted publicly that he didn't want to go to Buffalo, it was last on his list. He said he cried in sorrow when they drafted him. Did he come to love the city? Yes he did. Rosen is Jewish, but identified as "kind of an atheist" in high school. Who cares? I didn't know this was the Christian Football League. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoTier said: It seems to me that your bitter little rant encompasses the typical blue collar lament wailed by individuals who ... haven't lived in Buffalo for a while or live in one of the backward neighborhoods still stuck in a time-warp because the residents refuse to accept change have never lived in Buffalo and get all their info about what's going on here from their grandfathers and their retired cronies who all live in Florida are under-educated individuals with limited academic credentials and/or no or outdated job skills refuse to help themselves by going back to school to make up for their deficient educations or job skills want to be able to do mindless assembly line jobs that pay well and then retire with comfy pensions like their fathers and grandfathers did are embittered because they think people in administrative, educational, medical, managerial jobs are overpaid and consider only blue collar work to be "real work" are embittered because they don't like technological and social change are embittered old fogeys who think the "good old days" were so much better because white American males didn't have to compete with or "kowtow" to women, gays, Blacks, Jews, Asians, Hispanics, and numerous other "foreigners" like they do today. Buffalo has changed tremendously in the last decade. It's not the same city that it was even in 2005 or 2006. A lot of new people have moved in who aren't weighed down with the baggage of the past, and they're turning the city around ... and a lot of locals who aren't prepared to board the new fast moving train don't like it much. I suspect you and yours are among them. How elitist ? You must be in the SoTier as research for your sociology dissertation. Edited April 18, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) All I see is a lot of grasping at straws and excuses. Went to ub for undergrad. After graduation, I Immediately moved away due to the economy. Found a well paying job in San Diego and was fortunate to buy a house here mortgage free and capped at 1% property tax. So my house, I’m paying just over 10k in taxes a year. In WNY that tax liability would be 40k and unaffordable. Blue Collar does not mean poor, classless and easily influenced. In this city we put our tax dollars to important positive things. We hold our politicians accountable and we grow our city to make it a better place for our Children, the future. What happened in Buffalo? No pride for the future. No pride for the kids. Trust me, the grass IS greener. Take the RISK to make a CHANGE. Edited April 18, 2018 by Carter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Ah yes, the classic “I left and everyone that stayed behind is a rube” hot take. Sizzle sizzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Tenhigh said: Ah, Jim Kelly wasn't exactly a fit with out city when he was drafted, either. Seems he was more of a Houston guy.... It’s hilarious that a guy from small town Pennsylvania thought he was too good for Buffalo. anyways, the term BLUE collar is so outdated and it kinda comes out like an insult when people talk about Buffalo. Like people from Buffalo are simpletons who just fling ? at each other. Buffalo is in the best shape it’s ever been in my lifetime (Mayor Urkel!) and is on the rise. Now if only if they can get Cali’s weather (and some of their women). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 30 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It’s hilarious that a guy from small town Pennsylvania thought he was too good for Buffalo. anyways, the term BLUE collar is so outdated and it kinda comes out like an insult when people talk about Buffalo. Like people from Buffalo are simpletons who just fling ? at each other. Buffalo is in the best shape it’s ever been in my lifetime (Mayor Urkel!) and is on the rise. Now if only if they can get Cali’s weather (and some of their women). Buffalo has no need for Cali’s women, they would just need their plastic surgeons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 13 hours ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: How elitist ? You must be in the SoTier as research for your sociology dissertation. Dude, I wrote my research in American history so long ago that you were probably weren't even a sparkle in your parents' eyes at the time but that's neither here nor there. There is nothing particularly "elitist" about getting off your ass and getting a welding certificate or nursing degree rather than perpetually whining about how "there are no jobs in Buffalo" or "there are no jobs in WNY". There are plenty of jobs in and around the city and around WNY, although not so many for the unskilled and poorly educated because a lot of those jobs have been replaced by computer-controlled/assisted technology. That's a fact of modern economic life throughout the country, not just in NYS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Yeah, I'll be glad when the term "blue collar" is never mentioned again in regards to NFL prospects. It's one of the dumbest cliches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Yeah, I'll be glad when the term "blue collar" is never mentioned again in regards to NFL prospects. It's one of the dumbest cliches. I think it's a real thing. It's a huge issue and potential bad news if a guy hates the city that drafts him, or doesn't fit well in the local scene. Sometimes guys just don't "click" with a city. My problem with using it against a prospect/using it during scouting is this: There is NO WAY to know whether a guy will "fit" in with a city and it's culture. You can have a guy who looks like he will be a perfect fit, and he never finds his footing, and it's a miserable pairing. You can also have a guy who publicly says he doesn't want to be there (Jim Kelly) then winds up embracing it, and being the epitome of the team and city. Don't pass of talent because you think a guy is a poor fit with the culture of the city. Don't reach for a guy just because you think he'll be a cool guy to have a beer with in the bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said: Don't reach for a guy just because you think he'll be a cool guy to have a beer with in the bar. Buffalo has no need for Cali’s women, they would just need their plastic surgeons. Wrong. Please try again. Edited April 19, 2018 by TheElectricCompany 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoTier said: Dude, I wrote my research in American history so long ago that you were probably weren't even a sparkle in your parents' eyes at the time but that's neither here nor there. There is nothing particularly "elitist" about getting off your ass and getting a welding certificate or nursing degree rather than perpetually whining about how "there are no jobs in Buffalo" or "there are no jobs in WNY". There are plenty of jobs in and around the city and around WNY, although not so many for the unskilled and poorly educated because a lot of those jobs have been replaced by computer-controlled/assisted technology. That's a fact of modern economic life throughout the country, not just in NYS. True, but welders and nurses are blue collar workers. Ironic that you use them as an example while stating that blue calling workers rarely exist, and you call them ignorant. I’m not trying to discount your opinion or be abrasive. I just felt the need to point out that you talking about a class below what’s considering blue collar. The idea there are few blue collar workers remaining is a joke. We will need truckers, nurses, welders, construction workers, plumbers, etc well into the future. It seems trendy to say that blue collar work is dead (when it really isn’t), and that everyone will need to become a computer guy. Politicians have already paid the price for discounting and diminishing the power of blue collar Americans. 13 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: Wrong. Please try again. Believe what you want. Most Hollywood actresses look like rural Wal Mart shoppers without their makeup and plastic surgery imo. Edited April 19, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: Believe what you want. Most Hollywood actresses look like rural Wal Mart shoppers without their makeup and plastic surgery imo. Hollywood actresses are not Cali women. I'm thinking about the babes at the beach in Del Mar or Santa Monica, or the startup chick in San Francisco. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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