Irv Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 A lot of NFL coaches look at the physical traits and tell themselves that can turn a player into something he is not. I think that applies with Josh Allen. I hope we stay away from him. Numbers aren't everything but they're not nothing. Mountain West Player Passing Statistics - 2017 Statistics: Passing | Rushing | Receiving | Scoring | Returning | Kicking | Punting | Defense Season: 20172016201520142013201220112010200920082007200620052004 Conference: ---- FBS (Division I-A) ----ACCAmericanBig 12Big TenC-USAFBS Indep.MACMWPac-12SECSun Belt---- FCS (Division I-AA) ----Big SkyBig SouthCAAFCS Indep.Great WestIvyMEACMVFCNECOVCPatriotPioneerSouthernSouthlandSWAC PASSING YARDS LEADERS - ALL PLAYERS RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT 1 Nick Stevens, QB CSU 284 459 61.9 3799 8.3 76 29 10 13 147.9 2 Brett Rypien, QB BSU 218 348 62.6 2877 8.3 87 16 6 20 143.8 3 Dru Brown, QB HAW 254 412 61.7 2785 6.8 85 18 8 30 129.0 4 Ty Gangi, QB NEV 228 374 61.0 2746 7.3 82 25 11 7 138.8 5 Marcus McMaryion, QB FRES 218 351 62.1 2726 7.8 81 14 5 8 137.7 6 Christian Chapman, QB SDSU 146 243 60.1 1873 7.7 89 13 4 29 139.2 7 Josh Allen, QB WYO 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 47 16 6 22 127.8 8 Jordan Love, QB USU 129 235 54.9 1631 6.9 77 8 6 7 119.3 9 Montel Aaron, QB SJSU 126 225 56.0 1531 6.8 59 8 10 22 116.0 10 Armani Rogers, QB UNLV 99 189 52.4 1471 7.8 94 6 5 22 122.9 RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT 11 Kent Myers, QB USU 124 197 62.9 1278 6.5 49 8 7 21 123.7 12 Arion Worthman, QB AFA 54 109 49.5 1100 10.1 64 10 4 16 157.2 13 Josh Love, QB SJSU 92 170 54.1 928 5.5 47 5 7 11 101.4 14 Montell Cozart, QB BSU 61 97 62.9 754 7.8 47 10 1 9 160.1 15 Johnny Stanton, QB UNLV 55 88 62.5 724 8.2 52 4 2 1 142.1 16 Tevaka Tuioti, QB UNM 57 118 48.3 705 6.0 62 4 6 2 99.5 17 Lamar Jordan, QB UNM 46 93 49.5 604 6.5 71 3 6 12 101.8 18 Chason Virgil, QB FRES 48 83 57.8 524 6.3 40 3 2 2 118.0 19 Nick Smith, QB WYO 40 74 54.1 471 6.4 53 2 2 4 111.0 20 Kaymen Cureton, QB NEV 20 38 52.6 213 5.6 54 3 1 8 120.5 RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT 21 Coltin Gerhart, QB UNM 17 29 58.6 180 6.2 27 1 2 1 108.3 22 Nate Romine, QB AFA 9 16 56.3 133 8.3 29 0 1 4 113.6 23 David Cornwell, QB NEV 13 25 52.0 97 3.9 21 0 3 1 60.6 24 Josh Hokit, RB FRES 2 3 66.7 81 27.0 65 2 0 0 513.5 25 Andrew Celis, WR NEV 3 5 60.0 76 15.2 28 1 0 0 253.7 26 Kelton Moore, RB NEV 1 1 100.0 57 57.0 57 1 0 0 908.8 27 Cristian Solano, QB NEV 5 6 83.3 56 9.3 23 0 0 0 161.7 28 Tre Walker, WR SJSU 1 1 100.0 54 54.0 54 1 0 0 883.6 29 Kurt Palandech, QB UNLV 8 19 42.1 48 2.5 9 0 2 1 42.3 30 Ryan Agnew, QB SDSU 4 7 57.1 47 6.7 17 0 0 2 113.5 RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT 31 Cedrick Wilson, WR BSU 2 3 66.7 46 15.3 31 0 0 0 195.5 32 Sam Allen, QB SJSU 5 13 38.5 40 3.1 14 0 2 3 33.5 33 Isaiah Sanders, QB AFA 4 15 26.7 33 2.2 16 0 1 2 31.8 34 Tyler Williams, WR AFA 1 1 100.0 31 31.0 31 0 0 0 360.4 35 Aaren Vaughns, WR USU 1 2 50.0 29 14.5 29 1 0 0 336.8 36 Geraud Sanders, WR AFA 1 1 100.0 24 24.0 24 0 0 0 301.6 37 Austin Conway, WR WYO 2 2 100.0 22 11.0 20 0 0 0 192.4 Cole McDonald, QB HAW 5 9 55.6 22 2.4 9 1 0 0 112.8 39 Michael Carrillo, QB SJSU 2 3 66.7 21 7.0 12 1 0 0 235.5 40 Cole Brownholtz, QB HAW 1 1 100.0 7 7.0 7 0 0 0 158.8 53 Results 1 of 2 Glossary COMP: Completions ATT: Passing attempts PCT: Completion percentage YDS: Passing yards YDS/A: Yards per pass attempt LONG: Longest pass TD: Passing touchdowns INT: Interceptions thrown SACK: Sacks RAT: Passer Efficiency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Should smart GM's pass too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 (edited) Can we get McDermott out there to pass the football then? Edited April 8, 2018 by What a Tuel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted April 8, 2018 Author Share Posted April 8, 2018 Just now, The Drought said: Should smart GM's pass too? Are you implying the coaches have no say in the draft and Beane will act independently of McDerrmott? Get real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Just now, Irv said: Are you implying the coaches have no say in the draft and Beane will act independently of McDerrmott? Get real. Yes that is exactly what I'm implying. Get real. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Josh Allen certainly does carry a fair amount of risk. There are, however, a number of factors that contribute to his accuracy issues that may be addressed with solid coaching. It will take some time, and there are no guarantees, but if you don't need the guy to play right a way, and have a fair amount of risk tolerance, drafting Josh Allen could pay off big time in the long run. I'm not recommending Buffalo target him as I'm not sure they have the requisite risk tolerance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Why don't you put up his numbers from 2016 as a redshirt sophomore, his first year starting as a college QB, when his ENTIRE group of skill position players (yes, literally every single one) were seniors and he was named the first team all-MWC QB and led to his being named the MWC preseason player of the year going into 2017? He also led the Cowboys to an 8-5 record, a MWC championship game and a decent bowl appearance against a ranked BYU team, both of which they narrowly lost, a season after they went 2-10 with all the same guys as juniors (different QB). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, TigerJ said: Josh Allen certainly does carry a fair amount of risk. There are, however, a number of factors that contribute to his accuracy issues that may be addressed with solid coaching. It will take some time, and there are no guarantees, but if you don't need the guy to play right a way, and have a fair amount of risk tolerance, drafting Josh Allen could pay off big time in the long run. I'm not recommending Buffalo target him as I'm not sure they have the requisite risk tolerance. This is where debates about players like Allen lead to philosophical questions. No matter how great the teacher, can you teach someone to do soemthing they aren’t capable of? With good coaching there is a chance that Allen might become an accurate passer. There is also a high probability that Allen doesn’t possess the ability to be an accurate passer. This is why so many of us prefer drafting a guy who has shown the ability to be an accurate passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, Irv said: Are you implying the coaches have no say in the draft and Beane will act independently of McDerrmott? Get real. Diffrent teams go about the draft process in different manners. Here in Buffalo It's been made crystal clear that the coaching staff will have input. Their voices will be heard. However final decisions on the QB come from Beane. I do believe however they will be in agreement of whatever happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, Irv said: Are you implying the coaches have no say in the draft and Beane will act independently of McDerrmott? Get real. ....that was the egotistical, control freak way of the DonoHOLE era...."here are YOUR players...YOU make it work"...and he hired a greenhorn HC like Greggy at a whopping 900 grand a year who would certainly subordinate to "El Presidente's" edict....no way in hell McD would cave like that...if memory serves me, he was on staff before McBeane and the 2018 draft has been attributed to him (with Whaley's gang doing the prep)..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 OK THANKS IRV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....that was the egotistical, control freak way of the DonoHOLE era...."here are YOUR players...YOU make it work"...and he hired a greenhorn HC like Greggy at a whopping 900 grand a year who would certainly subordinate to "El Presidente's" edict....no way in hell McD would cave like that...if memory serves me, he was on staff before McBeane and the 2018 draft has been attributed to him (with Whaley's gang doing the prep)..... Yes. McDermott was hired pre draft. BEANE (his name is Brandon Beane, not McBeane, that was a contraction made up of "McDermott-Beane " to imply that they both share in the decision making) did not begin until after the draft, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: This is where debates about players like Allen lead to philosophical questions. No matter how great the teacher, can you teach someone to do soemthing they aren’t capable of? With good coaching there is a chance that Allen might become an accurate passer. There is also a high probability that Allen doesn’t possess the ability to be an accurate passer. This is why so many of us prefer drafting a guy who has shown the ability to be an accurate passer. This is true. Drafting Josh Allen is a lot like drafting a college freshman. When he graduated high school he was lightly recruited and could not get into a major college because his high school program was so weak. They played 7 on 7. Most of the team's players played other sports so the school didn't try to send their kids to sports camps. Allen never attended a QB camp in high school. He ended up in a junior college for a couple years where he had terrific numbers. While he had Carson Wentz's old coach, he only had him for a couple years, after an injury forced him to redshirt his first year at Wyoming. The bottom line is that he has had an inferior preparation for the pros in comparison to lots of college QBs. Until he got to Wyoming, he got by mostly on his natural talent. Who knows how much time the Wyoming staff could invest in helping him develop good habits and proper mechanics. That background certainly does increase the risk of drafting him. It is why the team that drafts him would be best served if they had ample risk tolerance. He's been rumored to be the target of the Cleveland Browns. Personally, I think that would be crazy. It would be better if he could end up with a team like Arizona, which has a very good, if injury prone QB in Sam Bradford. If Arizona can keep Bradford healthy for a couple season. Allen, if he responds to careful nurture and coaching, could end up being a great pick. In Cleveland, he stands an excellent chance of being one more in a string of Cleveland drafting disasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Some teams are perennial winners. Some teams are perennial losers. I wonder if one of the differences between these two types of teams has to do with having the GM, HC, OC, DC, etc. all in agreement when it comes to hiring and firing players. Personally, I’m pretty nervous about the QBs in this draft. No consensus on the sure thing. Even if the Bills trade up to #2 as some people predict, it will still be a crap shoot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Yes. McDermott was hired pre draft. BEANE (his name is Brandon Beane, not McBeane, that was a contraction made up of "McDermott-Beane " to imply that they both share in the decision making) did not begin until after the draft, I believe. ..pretty sure I know his name......the trio is McBeane/McD/McDaboll in MY book.......Irish connected..... Edited April 8, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..pretty sure I know his name......the trio is McBeane/McD/McDaboll in MY book.......Irish connected..... ...but... ...that's not their names... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Is it just me or is this board attracting disagreeable and disrespectful posters. Sometimes I think sports fans are particularly infected by it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 23 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: ...but... ...that's not their names... ...I failed English Comprehension...now what?............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 1 hour ago, metzelaars_lives said: Why don't you put up his numbers from 2016 as a redshirt sophomore, his first year starting as a college QB, when his ENTIRE group of skill position players (yes, literally every single one) were seniors and he was named the first team all-MWC QB and led to his being named the MWC preseason player of the year going into 2017? He also led the Cowboys to an 8-5 record, a MWC championship game and a decent bowl appearance against a ranked BYU team, both of which they narrowly lost, a season after they went 2-10 with all the same guys as juniors (different QB). What don't you understand about the numbers are not nothing? Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 (edited) Did this really need it's own thread? Same argument. It's a legitimate argument, but it's been said before in almost exactly the same words, many many times. Edited April 8, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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