Captain Hindsight Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 On 3/21/2018 at 9:51 AM, RiotAct said: he did pretty well in the Snow Game against the Colts, all things considered. That game should have no bearing on anyones evaluation of anyone. Players could barely stand or see. The fact any pass was completed all day is incredible. His performance in perfect conditions sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 A comprehensive list of QBs selected in round 5 or later between 2005 - 2016, I've highlighted the two players who played in a single Pro Bowl: Detroit Lions Dan Orlovsky Connecticut New Orleans Saints Adrian McPherson Florida State Baltimore Ravens Derek Anderson † Oregon State Green Bay Packers Ingle Martin Furman Pittsburgh Steelers Omar Jacobs Bowling Green Cincinnati Bengals Reggie McNeal Texas A&M Tampa Bay Buccaneers Bruce Gradkowski Toledo Atlanta Falcons D. J. Shockley Georgia Cincinnati Bengals Jeff Rowe Nevada Baltimore Ravens Troy Smith Ohio State Washington Redskins Jordan Palmer UTEP Minnesota Vikings Tyler Thigpen Coastal Carolina Minnesota Vikings John David Booty USC Pittsburgh Steelers Dennis Dixon Oregon Tampa Bay Buccaneers Josh Johnson San Diego New York Jets Erik Ainge Tennessee Washington Redskins Colt Brennan Hawaiʻi New York Giants Andre' Woodson Kentucky Green Bay Packers Matt Flynn LSU Houston Texans Alex Brink Washington State New York Giants Rhett Bomar Sam Houston St. San Francisco 49ers Nate Davis Ball State Denver Broncos Tom Brandstater Fresno State Seattle Seahawks Mike Teel Rutgers St. Louis Rams Keith Null West Texas A&M Indianapolis Colts Curtis Painter Purdue Arizona Cardinals John Skelton Fordham San Diego Chargers Jonathan Crompton Tennessee Tennessee Titans Rusty Smith Florida Atlantic Chicago Bears Dan LeFevour Central Michigan Minnesota Vikings Joe Webb UAB Carolina Panthers Tony Pike Cincinnati Buffalo Bills Levi Brown Troy New Orleans Saints Sean Canfield Oregon State New England Patriots Zac Robinson Oklahoma State Kansas City Chiefs Ricky Stanzi Iowa Houston Texans T. J. Yates North Carolina Chicago Bears Nathan Enderle Idaho Baltimore Ravens Tyrod Taylor † Virginia Tech New York Jets Greg McElroy Alabama Arizona Cardinals Ryan Lindley San Diego State Green Bay Packers B. J. Coleman Chattanooga Indianapolis Colts Chandler Harnish NIU San Diego Chargers Brad Sorensen Southern Utah Denver Broncos Zac Dysert Miami (OH) San Francisco 49ers B. J. Daniels South Florida Atlanta Falcons Sean Renfree Duke Kansas City Chiefs Aaron Murray Georgia Cincinnati Bengals AJ McCarron Alabama Tennessee Titans Zach Mettenberger LSU Chicago Bears David Fales San Jose State Baltimore Ravens Keith Wenning Ball State New York Jets Tajh Boyd Clemson St. Louis Rams Garrett Gilbert SMU Green Bay Packers Brett Hundley UCLA Denver Broncos Trevor Siemian Northwestern Kansas City Chiefs Kevin Hogan Stanford Washington Redskins Nate Sudfeld Indiana Detroit Lions Jake Rudock Michigan Jacksonville Jaguars Brandon Allen Arkansas San Francisco 49ers Jeff Driskel Louisiana Tech Miami Dolphins Brandon Doughty Western Kentucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 On 3/21/2018 at 10:02 AM, Call_Of_Ktulu said: The guy had less than 2 sec to pass the ball. That was the worst O-Line performance that I have ever seen in all my time watching the NFL. I've re watched that game 6 times and the only thing Peterman could do differently is dropping to the ground and taking the sacks. If you think you can evaluate a QB when the O-Line plays like that you should be a scout or GM for a NFL team. Quarterbacks never face pressure or have to step up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, TheTruthHurts said: I have watched this fan base bury QB's fast. If Josh Rosen plays like Jared Goff did his 1st year I doubt Rosen survives. Perhaps. But fans and coaches will be more patient with a prospect who is drafted with their first pick than they will be with a guy who is drafted in round 5 and has much lower expectations to start with. It is far easier to move on from a guy who you really weren't that confident in to begin with. I suspect Rosen would get at least as many opportunities as EJ got to prove whether or not he has upside potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 51 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: A number of top QBs have had horrible games where they threw multiple interceptions, many more than one. NFL Passes Intercepted Single Game Leaders. Here's a sampling: Ken Stabler: 7 John Brodie: 6 Joe Namath: 6 (3x) Norm Van Brocklin: 6 Brett Favre: 6 Peyton Manning: 6 Joe Ferguson: 6 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_single_game.htm You are getting pretty ridiculous with your thread starts. Can you please stop? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, Captain Hindsight said: That game should have no bearing on anyones evaluation of anyone. Players could barely stand or see. The fact any pass was completed all day is incredible. His performance in perfect conditions sucked. OK I'll defend Peterman. Rookie vs a top pass defense on the road with no WR's. Ummm, how do you think it should go? If I judge him with Benjamin he looked good actually. But that was like 5 plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) I'm not saying he will ever be a Franchise QB, but for his draft position, and his cost, he might grow into a reliable backup. Why the double standard on Peterman and Jones. Jones is given a total pass after starting a whole season, and absolutely sucking in multiple games. Yet he just "needs time". Peterman starts in his first game in the toughest position in the game, and is a 'total bust". Edited March 23, 2018 by simpleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: I have watched this fan base bury QB's fast. If Josh Rosen plays like Jared Goff did his 1st year I doubt Rosen survives. Most people know the difference between a 5th round flyer and a QB like Rosen with premier skills that translate to the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Y'all want to laugh it up? I SAID you all want to laugh it up? Well have yourselves a funny funny guffaw at this thought. The same head coach that provided that wonderful confidence building experience for Peterman will be spending 3 first round draft picks on the next young QB he gonna develop so well. The same keen mind that sized him up as ready to go, the same towering intellect that prepared Peterman so well, has the future of our unborn future franchise qb in his hands. Ain't that funny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 How many bad posts does it take to define Sky Diver? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Most people know the difference between a 5th round flyer and a QB like Rosen with premier skills that translate to the NFL. We've buried 1st round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, TheTruthHurts said: We've buried 1st round picks. We haven't had any 1st round QB picks under the current regime. What happened in the past doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 we burn through QBs so fast nobody actually knows if they can or cant play. Tyrod is one of the few that got at least 3 years of starts, thats how we knew he wasnt the guy. he had enough time to prove that he wasnt. and yet theres some here that think he didnt get enough time. then we get to the people who think Peterman is done after 1 all time terrible game, and a grand total of 2 starts. mainly because he was a 5th round pick. much logic in this fanbase. its more than just the player, its many things that lead to whether a player is a success or not. many many QBs who had all the measurables, failed due to things beyond their control. could care less whether Peterman plays again or not, the point is, people write off others all the time for no reason at all. and it will never change, due to the fact that humans beings only see what they want to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Most people know the difference between a 5th round flyer and a QB like Rosen with premier skills that translate to the NFL. Oh please. No one really knows how well Rosen's skills will translate into the NFL. He hasn't even taken a snap in the NFL yet. I love how people anoint someone premier and elite before they even take the field. Let us wait and see how they actually perform before we anoint them. BTW Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Jamarcus Russell, David Carr and Matt Leinart all say Hi! Edited March 23, 2018 by simpleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I think the reason QBs like Peterman don't get as much benefit of the doubt is because 1st round QBs are bigger investments. There's more 1st round busts then there are 5th round gems so the chance of Nate being a future starter is not too good. There's a reason he was drafted so late. I wish him well but as of right now, the Bills have two, unproven, 5th round QBs on their roster. Those are the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: We haven't had any 1st round QB picks under the current regime. What happened in the past doesn't matter. We just threw away Tyrod the same way we threw away Flutie. Nothing changes. You're telling me if Rosen starts like Eli Manning the fans won't turn on him? He was dreadful. 1-6, 48% completion, 55 rating his rookie year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, simpleman said: Oh please. No one really knows how well Rosen's skills will translate into the NFL. He hasn't even taken a snap in the NFL yet. I love how people anoint someone premier and elite before they even take the field. Let us wait and see how they actually perform before we anoint them. Oh please indeed. There is a disparity in talent that projects him to be successful at the NFL level which is exactly why he'll be a high 1st round pick. 4 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: We just threw away Tyrod the same way we threw away Flutie. Nothing changes. You're telling me if Rosen starts like Eli Manning the fans won't turn on him? He was dreadful. 1-6, 48% completion, 55 rating his rookie year. Flutie and Tyrod both plateaued at a level below what it takes to make a team a perennial playoff contender. I certainly won't. Eli came in with pedigree that predicted he'd be a good NFL QB. The investment alone earned him time just as it would with Rosen or whatever other QB the Bills might draft in the 1st round. Edited March 23, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Well at least Peterman is more efficient then those guys, it only took him half the time to get to that many picks! There's also a big difference in that Peterman was a 5th rounder who's ceiling according to some scouting reports was as a backup, compared to those guys you listed who's ceilings were much higher....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Oh please indeed. There is a disparity in talent that projects him to be successful at the NFL level which is exactly why he'll be a high 1st round pick. I never get an answer to this. Are fans willing to suffer to develop a top QB? Are you? I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, TheTruthHurts said: I never get an answer to this. Are fans willing to suffer to develop a top QB? Are you? I doubt it. I don't know what you're talking about but many on here including me want the Bills to spend the accumulated draft capital to trade up and select one of these highly rated QB prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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