MJS Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Tough to see a huge correlation with success there. Bad and good teams are shuffled all over the graph. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 7 hours ago, Logic said: This was very interesting to me. It told me three things: 1.) The Bills need to build through the draft and do it well the next few years, as they've done an awful job at it of late. (This was obvious any way, right?) 2.) It's downright amazing that the Bills made the playoffs last year with the band-aided together roster they fielded. 3.) Even if you DO draft well and your homegrown talent gets a lot of snaps, it's no guarantee of success. Cincinnatti, Cleveland, Dallas, and Green Bay missed the playoffs, despite being in the top 6. Someone posts another variation of this stat every few months. It's the result of turning over regimes every 2-3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsIsrael Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I think the NFL should address the issue also from a fans perspective - the fans want to cheer for the players that they know - cheering for a player one year and then booing him the next is not good for retaining fans They should give cap incentives to keep your own players - like after the first contract players that were drafter by a team count only 90% against the cap. Players (like KW for example) who played for over 8 years in the league and the last 5 for the same team should count only 75% against the cap if they sign with the same team This way it gives the teams incentives to keep and grow their own talent and gives the fans continuity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, BillsIsrael said: I think the NFL should address the issue also from a fans perspective - the fans want to cheer for the players that they know - cheering for a player one year and then booing him the next is not good for retaining fans They should give cap incentives to keep your own players - like after the first contract players that were drafter by a team count only 90% against the cap. Players (like KW for example) who played for over 8 years in the league and the last 5 for the same team should count only 75% against the cap if they sign with the same team This way it gives the teams incentives to keep and grow their own talent and gives the fans continuity Agree on your first point. Basically having Larry Bird rights in the NFL. Veterans do get a discount against the cap. Not sure how it works. It may be only when they pay vet minimum it counts less against the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsIsrael Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said: Agree on your first point. Basically having Larry Bird rights in the NFL. Veterans do get a discount against the cap. Not sure how it works. It may be only when they pay vet minimum it counts less against the cap. I'm specifically talking about star (or close to star status) players who expect bigger salaries and then leave their teams for bigger paychecks (which is fine, they should get whatever they are worth) but for us fans - the home team should get some kind of cap "discount" for making an effort and keeping them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 13 hours ago, Buftex said: Yes, I changed my comment to 2015, for the reasons you mention. Personally, I think Whaley was a good drafter. I thnk, had Marrone not left when he did, the "drought" would have ended a few years earlier. Rex Ryan was the de-facto GM... If Whaley gets a second chance with a head coach he is gets to pick or is very close with I wouldn't be surprised if he is moderately successful to really good. His drafts were good minus 16 which like you said was Ryan, he could find guys in FA for next to nothing that worked well, and he got some real steals trading wise. His two big problems were contracts and coexisting with the coach if the coach played a player that wasn't Whaley's guy. I think those two things are fixable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 It is due to the constant changes to the coaching staff and schemes. This should change over the next 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 6 hours ago, BillsIsrael said: I think the NFL should address the issue also from a fans perspective - the fans want to cheer for the players that they know - cheering for a player one year and then booing him the next is not good for retaining fans They should give cap incentives to keep your own players - like after the first contract players that were drafter by a team count only 90% against the cap. Players (like KW for example) who played for over 8 years in the league and the last 5 for the same team should count only 75% against the cap if they sign with the same team This way it gives the teams incentives to keep and grow their own talent and gives the fans continuity That’s, in essence, what happens in the NBA. You get more money with your team than elsewhere. It’s Bird Rights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsIsrael Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 7 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: That’s, in essence, what happens in the NBA. You get more money with your team than elsewhere. It’s Bird Rights Not an NBA follower - but I guess the NBA got this one right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 18 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Well yea. McBeane basically gave them all away. Deadwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 The correlation that I draw is that last year was a purge of "Whaley" guys going to "Bean guys" we are in the middle of a soft rebiuld It is truly amazing that we made the playoffs doing that.....and a credit to the coaching staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 29 minutes ago, BillsIsrael said: Not an NBA follower - but I guess the NBA got this one right It worked for a while and definitely works while the guys are young (because the gap is enormous between the current team and the league). The veteran guys have made so much money later in their careers that they move some and take less money. They chase championships in a lot of cases. You probably keep a star though for his first 8-10 seasons no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 22 hours ago, Dopey said: New coaching staff and gm taking over for the rex ryan cluster fudge. No surprise there. Trust the process. When you change coaches every two years, it's a sure thing personnel is going to get flipped. I think McBeane will get ar teast four years in Buffalo, and you'll see this stat change dramatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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