White Linen Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: If you look at how the NBA is run, it is a good model. The players are extremely vocal (see Lebron as the most recent example). I do think that because that is a superstar league they appear to represent themselves more than the organization as a whole. But still, Adam Silver is an excellent commissioner and the political statements don’t hurt business at all. I think that's the point she was trying to make. The NFL players protests hurt business. It's not about debating the veracity of the protests itself but understanding through communication, what impact it had on business. Getting the players to understand the impact on business, each individual organization and the community good or bad is a necessary conversation in order to compromise. It's larger than "my protest is more important than any damage it causes". While that can be seen as controversial or noble by the public isn't the point of this particular angle. This is about attempting to compromise through communication so that voices can be heard and business can still thrive. Edited February 23, 2018 by White Linen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 40 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: Yes but when they fight for those things they are doing it outside the game. They are visiting patience outside the game, donating toys for children outside of the game and so on... They don't do it while they are at work. What I don't like is that me and you go to our jobs and if we try to make a political statement at work then we would be fired. And many work places to a Toys fo tots... That kind of stuff is good. But making a political statement at work is not the appriate time. Makes the players look selfish because the Owners are the ones that are impacted the most I don't agree with their views on oppression but that is their view points so they have right to protest but on their own time when they aren't working at a game. Fans watch sports to get away from politics... I know I hate the political talk about football. I just wanna watch football They are doing it representing the Bills and wearing their Bills jerseys and it is part of being a Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: If you look at how the NBA is run, it is a good model. The players are extremely vocal (see Lebron as the most recent example). I do think that because that is a superstar league they appear to represent themselves more than the organization as a whole. But still, Adam Silver is an excellent commissioner and the political statements don’t hurt business at all. Comparing how Basketball and Football is not exactly the same. The average basketball fan most likely doesn't have the same demographic makeup as the average football fan. I would be willing to guess that the average basketball fan is much more to the left than the average football fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Dan said: I completely agree with you, on all points. But my point remains... If your boss said you have to behave a certain way at work, you have to do that. I can't use my company car for personal trips to the sex store? If I'm caught wearing my work shirt in a bar, I'm fired. Some other owner may not care, but mine does. I think too many people on this discussion are wrapped up in what the players are protesting. I'm saying it doesn't matter what they're protesting... They are employees and when they are wearing the company uniform, they should be expected to represent the company. Right now, in February, on their own time... Protest away! Call a news conference a day. Do what you want. But, don't do it at the office. all companies are different...yes you may get fired but you think NFL owners are going to fire 15 players right before a game? You can be replaced....not all the players can be.. Edited February 23, 2018 by nucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dwight in philly Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 hour ago, nucci said: I think they do really? what are they protesting. i have been waiting for a coherent explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, dwight in philly said: really? what are they protesting. i have been waiting for a coherent explanation. Seriously? you don't follow the news much, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, nucci said: Seriously? you don't follow the news much, do you? actually i do.. tell me.. enlighten me? what were they protesting?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 22 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: So true. We've done this same thread a million times and each time I've replied by showing statistics that cops kill white people twice as much as they do blacks. Or that black people are 27 times more likely to attack a white people than the other way around. Or that stuff like #Killallwhitemen was an actual top trend on twitter a couple years ago. Liberals don't seem to care at all about any of that though. They're blinded by hate (which is ironic because they say that about Trump supporters). They just attack like a pack of rabid dogs when you don't see things in the same delusional way they do. There you go, Bubba, showing your true colors (WHITE). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, nucci said: Seriously? you don't follow the news much, do you? i am all ears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, dwight in philly said: actually i do.. tell me.. enlighten me? what were they protesting?? Don't really want to start this up again but Kaepernick started this when he felt black men were getting killed by white cops without justification. Other players then joined him and it became a protest for racial injustice. Did you really need me to say this? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 35 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: I, too, am allowed to wear any sort of political T-shirt, or whatever, while at work (as long as it is not obscene, or otherwise inappropriate), but I'm not sure that qualifies as an "action," per se. It certainly wouldn't affect my job in any way. Be that as it may, I have also never been asked to stand for the National Anthem while at work, and I'm not sure that I would capitulate if I were. Also, wouldn't standing for the National Anthem be every bit as much a political statement as kneeling for it? Seriously?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 hour ago, uticaclub said: Most the players don't even know what the are "protesting" Actually most really do. It's the percentage of the small minded fans and media that do not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: i am all ears and another piece of anatomy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, nucci said: Don't really want to start this up again but Kaepernick started this when he felt black men were getting killed by white cops without justification. Other players then joined him and it became a protest for racial injustice. Did you really need me to say this? so.. it was reported that way i am assuming by the mainstream media?? sooo it must be true then?? ok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, nucci said: Don't really want to start this up again but Kaepernick started this when he felt black men were getting killed by white cops without justification. Other players then joined him and it became a protest for racial injustice. Did you really need me to say this? C'mon nucci, you're smarter than that. I'm not saying who's right or wrong but he's baiting you into saying this - when it's really about whether it's true or not. edit: told ya Edited February 23, 2018 by White Linen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, cd1 said: I think it is YOU who does not understanding what the protesters are protesting. I don't understand what they are EACH protesting either. Some are protesting the anthem, some are protesting police brutality, some are protesting racism or racial inequality etc. That has been the problem with this "protest", it does/did not necessarily have an achievable end result in mind. I understand that it was "designed" to raise awareness, but the message got lost in the method. Many people took it as disrespect to the country and or the military, or attached their own meaning without necessarily understanding what each individual player hoped to achieve through his protest. So it is understandable that the message is lost on many... (by the way, I am not saying they don't have the right to use their platform as they see fit, and I am definitely not in the "shut up and play" camp, I am just pointing out that the message got muddled because of how the masses interpreted the way the protests were carried out.) Edited February 23, 2018 by buffaloboyinATL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, dwight in philly said: so.. it was reported that way i am assuming by the mainstream media?? sooo it must be true then?? ok lol, what kind of tinfoil hat response is this BS? grow up. One second of googling brought up plenty of explanations from Kaep himself. Whether you understand them or not, is up to you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, White Linen said: C'mon nucci, you're smarter than that. I'm not saying who's right or wrong but he's baiting you into saying this - when it's really about whether it's true or not. I should know better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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