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https://www.ndinsider.com/football/notre-dame-football-to-vacate-wins-after-ncaa-denies-appeal/article_88e31422-b28a-11e7-a1a8-63391e5141e7.html

 

I know the NCAA wants schools to self report violations, but every time I read something like this, I ask myself what's the incentive for the school.

 

IIRC, there was a study done a few years that showed schools that self reported got bigger penalties than schools that lawyered up after the NCAA came sniffing around.

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20 minutes ago, Cynical said:

 what's the incentive for the school.

Integrity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Brian Kelly downplayed his role, #asexpected. the initial announcement was made in November 2016. "It was student-on-student cheating," he told reporters. "This matter has nothing to do with me and my status here."

BK never takes ownership of anything in his program. Watch him blame players after losses, the man was egg hatched.

 

that said, vacating wins is stupid. The games happened. Think of something meaningful, ncaa. I agree with ND’s response. And meanwhile, UNC still hanging out there with no sanctions.

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On ‎2‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 11:10 PM, YoloinOhio said:

Brian Kelly downplayed his role, #asexpected. the initial announcement was made in November 2016. "It was student-on-student cheating," he told reporters. "This matter has nothing to do with me and my status here."

BK never takes ownership of anything in his program. Watch him blame players after losses, the man was egg hatched.

 

that said, vacating wins is stupid. The games happened. Think of something meaningful, ncaa. I agree with ND’s response. And meanwhile, UNC still hanging out there with no sanctions.

You make an excellent observation when you compare this situation to what happened at UNC. When you consider what the infractions over academic fraud were that occurred for more than a decade in North Carolina and compare what happened at Notre Dame and were self-reported you ask yourself where is the common sense? When the NCAA gets involved in disciplinary issues it is predictably erratic and grotesquely disproportional in its rulings. NCAA is the definition of obtuse. 

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Schools like Notre Dame and Stanford won't be able to compete with dumb dumb schools like Alabama if they don't make some concessions for the football players. They want them to get good grades at one of the top colleges in the country AND spend all day every day lifting weights, training, watching film, etc. Good luck. They didn't go there to play school.

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On ‎2‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 11:33 PM, kdiggz said:

Schools like Notre Dame and Stanford won't be able to compete with dumb dumb schools like Alabama if they don't make some concessions for the football players. They want them to get good grades at one of the top colleges in the country AND spend all day every day lifting weights, training, watching film, etc. Good luck. They didn't go there to play school.

Alabama is far from a "dum dum" school. It has grown academically in leaps and bound since Coach Saban arrived and delivered hundreds of millions of dollars to the school.  And please, are you trying to say that all Notre Dame players are Fulbright Scholars? :):):)  Sure, ok!

Notre Dame and Stanford were already rich schools. They have won titles, no? Did they do so with a squad full of intellectuals?

 

I recommend patience. At some point down the road, maybe one of these teams will belong on the same field as Alabama. Perhaps if you combined the best players from these 2 schools they could even keep it somewhat close against the Crimson Tide. This might be possible in the future but not today.  Hate as you will but this championship was sweet. Saban runs the best program in the country. This is why our own coach tries to imitate him. I don't blame him.

 

 

ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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27 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Alabama is far from a "dum dum" school. It has grown academically in leaps and bound since Coach Saban arrived and delivered hundreds of millions of dollars to the school.  And please, are you trying to say that all Notre Dame players are Fulbright Scholars? :):):)  Sure, ok!

Notre Dame and Stanford were already rich schools. They have won titles, no? Did they do so with a squad full of intellectuals?

 

I recommend patience. At some point down the road, maybe one of these teams will belong on the same field as Alabama. Perhaps if you combined the best players from these 2 schools they could even keep it somewhat close against the Crimson Tide. This might be possible in the future but not today.  Hate as you will but this championship was sweet. Saban runs the best program in the country. This is why our own coach tries to imitate him. I don't blame him.

 

 

ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right, that was my point. I don't think all of ND's players are smart enough to be there so they either need to help them pass (cheat) or they would have to go to a school with lower academic standards. How many players are smart enough to go to a school like ND or Stanford PLUS are amazing athletes? Not many. It's usually one or the other

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5 hours ago, kdiggz said:

Right, that was my point. I don't think all of ND's players are smart enough to be there so they either need to help them pass (cheat) or they would have to go to a school with lower academic standards. How many players are smart enough to go to a school like ND or Stanford PLUS are amazing athletes? Not many. It's usually one or the other

I  see what you mean and totally agree.

 

My daughter is a Dartmouth Grad. She would fit in just fine intellectually with students from Stanford or ND. Now, she would also probably be in the top 1% of their football teams. Not every college athlete is Ryan Fitzpatrick.

 

I'm not sure what the answer is.

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On 2/17/2018 at 1:29 PM, Bill from NYC said:

I  see what you mean and totally agree.

 

My daughter is a Dartmouth Grad. She would fit in just fine intellectually with students from Stanford or ND. Now, she would also probably be in the top 1% of their football teams. Not every college athlete is Ryan Fitzpatrick.

 

I'm not sure what the answer is.

The answer is to start thinking of these college teams like the ‘club’ teams they are. Hardly any of the basketball players even stick around to get a degree! How can anyone even call these college teams anymore?

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