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I always liked Davis a bit but I am a huge proponent for young corners

 

More tread left, faster. You can get them up to speed very fast in a primarily zone defense 

 

Productive , yet, cheaper defensive backs  are the way to go IMO

 

look at how we revamped our secondary in one year, with a bunch of cheaper role players who became key cogs or contributors

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Just now, Buffalo716 said:

I always liked Davis a bit but I am a huge proponent for young corners

 

More tread left, faster. You can get them up to speed very fast in a primarily zone defense 

 

Productive , yet, cheaper defensive backs  are the way to go IMO

 

look at how we revamped our secondary in one year, with a bunch of cheaper role players who became key cogs or contributors

 

 

They have to begin looking at replacements in the event that Gaines heads to UFA.  David Amerson is also a UFA who can sign before the new league year begins.

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Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

They have to begin looking at replacements in the event that Gaines heads to UFA.  David Amerson is also a UFA who can sign before the new league year begins.

 

I would love love love Gaines back but it really looks like he is gonna get 8-10 million a year

 

dont know if we can pay that. Amerson might be a decent option in a heavy zone scheme 

 

he was a ball hawk in college

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1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I would love love love Gaines back but it really looks like he is gonna get 8-10 million a year

 

dont know if we can pay that. Amerson might be a decent option in a heavy zone scheme 

 

he was a ball hawk in college

 

At last, folks are coming around to my offseason plan...where were you all back in November?!?! 

;)

 

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2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I would love love love Gaines back but it really looks like he is gonna get 8-10 million a year

 

dont know if we can pay that. Amerson might be a decent option in a heavy zone scheme 

 

he was a ball hawk in college

 

Gaines is a good player, but can he really command that price with all of the durability concerns? 

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12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I always liked Davis a bit but I am a huge proponent for young corners

 

More tread left, faster. You can get them up to speed very fast in a primarily zone defense 

 

Productive , yet, cheaper defensive backs  are the way to go IMO

 

look at how we revamped our secondary in one year, with a bunch of cheaper role players who became key cogs or contributors

 

...dead on as usual......this gang has done an admiral job in decision making with the secondary......factor out Gaines' unfortunate injuries (BIG W/L difference when he's healthy) and their grade is still solid........

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2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...dead on as usual......this gang has done an admiral job in decision making with the secondary......factor out Gaines' unfortunate injuries (BIG W/L difference when he's healthy) and their grade is still solid........

 

The problem is that he gets nicked up in 50% of the games.  No exaggeration; he missed 5 altogether and parts of 3 others.

 

I like the player; it's awfully hard to pay him what he's going to want in light of his availability problem.

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5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Gaines is a good player, but can he really command that price with all of the durability concerns? 

 

I personally wouldn't think he can command that... but with the lack of solid Corners in the league their pay day just keeps going up 

 

i would love love to have him on a 4 year 30 million dollar deal 

4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...dead on as usual......this gang has done an admiral job in decision making with the secondary......factor out Gaines' unfortunate injuries (BIG W/L difference when he's healthy) and their grade is still solid........

 

Gaines is very good. Unfortunately he plays so hard he usually takes himself out of games...

 

hopefully He takes a team friendly deal because he has a bright future if he stays

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1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

I personally wouldn't think he can command that... but with the lack of solid Corners in the league their pay day just keeps going up 

 

i would love love to have him on a 4 year 30 million dollar deal 

 

I would tie his contract to games played. 

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Just now, thebandit27 said:

His agent would never let him sign that deal

 

It's not all that unusual to have an incentive laden contract with some bonus structure tied to availability related to % of snaps or games played.   That would be fair given his injury history. 

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1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

It's not all that unusual to have an incentive laden contract with some bonus structure tied to availability related to % of snaps or games played.   That would be fair given his injury history. 

 

I could see tying some bonus money to games-played, but you're never going to get that on a long-term deal.  That generally only happens in one-year prove-it style deals like the one signed by Alshon Jeffery last offseason.

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Just now, thebandit27 said:

 

I could see tying some bonus money to games-played, but you're never going to get that on a long-term deal.  That generally only happens in one-year prove-it style deals like the one signed by Alshon Jeffery last offseason.

 

Fair point.

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I may be in the minority but I want Gaines back. I’d draft a guy in the 4th or 5th that I had confidence in to back him up. The secondary was outstanding and I don’t want to roll the dice that it continues with someone else in that spot. I would rather take my chances that Gaines can stay healthy. that will be the strength of the team and even better with pass rush. 

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7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I may be in the minority but I want Gaines back. I’d draft a guy in the 4th or 5th that I had confidence in to back him up. The secondary was outstanding and I don’t want to roll the dice that it continues with someone else in that spot. I would rather take my chances that Gaines can stay healthy. that will be the strength of the team and even better with pass rush. 

 

I'm with you. Frankly there isn't another free agent out there that I'm more comfortable replacing him with and I don't want to spend another day one pick on a CB. When you consider the value we're getting with the other starting DBs I'm OK with giving Gaines a market value contract. 

 

And I think Ross Cockrell might be a good back up we can bring back on the cheap. He's a solid zone corner that didn't fit Rex's D.

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17 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

The problem is that he gets nicked up in 50% of the games.  No exaggeration; he missed 5 altogether and parts of 3 others.

 

I like the player; it's awfully hard to pay him what he's going to want in light of his availability problem.

 

...completely agree......but was there much in his injury history pre-Bflo to tag him as a bad hire?.....when healthy and for his skill set, his $1.797 million dollar deal was a good find which is what I'm trying to say............

 

 

Season Week Description Status
2017 16 Knee Questionable
2017 10 Hamstring Questionable
2017 9 Hamstring Out
2017 8 Hamstring Out
2017 7 Groin Questionable
2017 5 Groin Questionable
2016 15 Thigh Doubtful
2016 14 Thigh Questionable
2016 3 Thigh Questionable
2016 2 Thigh Out
2016 1 Thigh Out
2015 Preseason Foot Day-To-Day
2014 17 Concussion Doubtful
2014 13 Knee Probable
2014 10 Knee Probable
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43 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...completely agree......but was there much in his injury history pre-Bflo to tag him as a bad hire?.....when healthy and for his skill set, his $1.797 million dollar deal was a good find which is what I'm trying to say............

 

 

Season Week Description Status
2017 16 Knee Questionable
2017 10 Hamstring Questionable
2017 9 Hamstring Out
2017 8 Hamstring Out
2017 7 Groin Questionable
2017 5 Groin Questionable
2016 15 Thigh Doubtful
2016 14 Thigh Questionable
2016 3 Thigh Questionable
2016 2 Thigh Out
2016 1 Thigh Out
2015 Preseason Foot Day-To-Day
2014 17 Concussion Doubtful
2014 13 Knee Probable
2014 10 Knee Probable

 

Well, he's never completed a 16-game season.

 

He missed only 1 game as a rookie, then missed his entire 2nd season, missed 5 games and parts of 2 others in his 3rd year, and then missed 5 games and parts of 3 others with Buffalo.

 

To me, that's a major concern.

 

Kirby is right that the secondary was downright excellent with him in the lineup, and if all things were equal, I'd like him back.  I just worry about the value for a guy that will probably want $10M AAV.

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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I may be in the minority but I want Gaines back. I’d draft a guy in the 4th or 5th that I had confidence in to back him up. The secondary was outstanding and I don’t want to roll the dice that it continues with someone else in that spot. I would rather take my chances that Gaines can stay healthy. that will be the strength of the team and even better with pass rush. 

 

How far will Beane be willing to go with McDermott's saying the best ability is availability?  They simply can't count on him given the history. 

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2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Well, he's never completed a 16-game season.

 

He missed only 1 game as a rookie, then missed his entire 2nd season, missed 5 games and parts of 2 others in his 3rd year, and then missed 5 games and parts of 3 others with Buffalo.

 

To me, that's a major concern.

 

Kirby is right that the secondary was downright excellent with him in the lineup, and if all things were equal, I'd like him back.  I just worry about the value for a guy that will probably want $10M AAV.

 

 

...absolutely agree and no way he gets that type of deal in Bflo.....look at the value finds of Hyde and Poyer who far exceeded their pay with effort and contribution...SPECIAL thanks to FORMER Pack GM Thompson for letting Hyde walk......

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4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...absolutely agree and no way he gets that type of deal in Bflo.....look at the value finds of Hyde and Poyer who far exceeded their pay with effort and contribution...SPECIAL thanks to FORMER Pack GM Thompson for letting Hyde walk......

Yep 100%. There's no percentage in a team like us paying top dollar for non-QB positions right now, they need to keep focusing on finding value deals in FA. Teams like the Pats can afford to pay for a Gilmore because he's going to put them over the top (or at least that was the idea), we need to continue to build patiently and high priced acquisitions (again, outside QB imo) don't fit the picture. 

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I may be in the minority, but I think Gaines gets no where near 9-10 million sportrac values him at. I'd be surprised to see it because of the injury concerns.

 

I bet the Bills could get him for half that with a 3-4 year deal and 40% guaranteed. 

 

Further, I've done some sims on this scenario and you can get him most of the time for alot less than 9 million.

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30 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Well, he's never completed a 16-game season.

 

He missed only 1 game as a rookie, then missed his entire 2nd season, missed 5 games and parts of 2 others in his 3rd year, and then missed 5 games and parts of 3 others with Buffalo.

 

To me, that's a major concern.

 

Kirby is right that the secondary was downright excellent with him in the lineup, and if all things were equal, I'd like him back.  I just worry about the value for a guy that will probably want $10M AAV.

 

25 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

How far will Beane be willing to go with McDermott's saying the best ability is availability?  They simply can't count on him given the history. 

I don’t know what their number is. I do know that Gaines is the guy that put the Watkins deal over the top for them. It was like Mathews as a throw in to get a pick. Gaines was a guy that they planned to go after this offseason. Now, that may have changed with his injuries but I’d have to think that he may be a guy that they are willing to overspend (some) on. 

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34 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...absolutely agree and no way he gets that type of deal in Bflo.....look at the value finds of Hyde and Poyer who far exceeded their pay with effort and contribution...SPECIAL thanks to FORMER Pack GM Thompson for letting Hyde walk......

 

I think if they go the UFA route, Rashaan Melvin from Indy would be a guy that makes a lot of sense.

 

He's one of those under-the-radar types (at least as far as media outlets go), but he's got the size they like (6'2"), he's very good in zone, and he's an excellent tackler.

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1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I think if they go the UFA route, Rashaan Melvin from Indy would be a guy that makes a lot of sense.

 

He's one of those under-the-radar types (at least as far as media outlets go), but he's got the size they like (6'2"), he's very good in zone, and he's an excellent tackler.

 

...thanks for your input.....hope that Frank agrees.....

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3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I personally wouldn't think he can command that... but with the lack of solid Corners in the league their pay day just keeps going up 

 

i would love love to have him on a 4 year 30 million dollar deal 

 

Gaines is very good. Unfortunately he plays so hard he usually takes himself out of games...

 

hopefully He takes a team friendly deal because he has a bright future if he stays

I don't know what "plays so hard is" for this guy.

 

But I seen him come up and make routine tackles and come up hurt.  He may not be Mr Glass....but I bet he lives on a beach.

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38 minutes ago, cba fan said:

I don't know what "plays so hard is" for this guy.

 

But I seen him come up and make routine tackles and come up hurt.  He may not be Mr Glass....but I bet he lives on a beach.

 

He tries laying the wood too much and that makes him vulnerable to injuries 

 

hes been that way for years. Over aggressive 

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4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Does he think he's Leonard Johnson? 

 

I don't know if he can lay the wood like that but few corners hit like him

 

Johnson isn't the best cover man but he is definitely physical and that messes with some WRs heads

 

Gaines is aggressive in his drop, with his eyes and playing the ball, reckless controlled abandon, but his body hasn't been able to keep up

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I would be pleased if they kept Gaines. And Leonard.
 but not try to lock EJ up. Should let him test the market. ( based upon his injury tendency and i am hardly one to evaluate what OBD sees as risk )

 

 what does Vontae want/expect for pay ?

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