26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 There was talk that the Bills had interest in him last season. I wonder if there will be any interest at OBD with him eligible to sign with any team ahead of the new league year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I always liked Davis a bit but I am a huge proponent for young corners More tread left, faster. You can get them up to speed very fast in a primarily zone defense Productive , yet, cheaper defensive backs are the way to go IMO look at how we revamped our secondary in one year, with a bunch of cheaper role players who became key cogs or contributors 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Depends on the asking price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, Buffalo716 said: I always liked Davis a bit but I am a huge proponent for young corners More tread left, faster. You can get them up to speed very fast in a primarily zone defense Productive , yet, cheaper defensive backs are the way to go IMO look at how we revamped our secondary in one year, with a bunch of cheaper role players who became key cogs or contributors They have to begin looking at replacements in the event that Gaines heads to UFA. David Amerson is also a UFA who can sign before the new league year begins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: They have to begin looking at replacements in the event that Gaines heads to UFA. David Amerson is also a UFA who can sign before the new league year begins. I would love love love Gaines back but it really looks like he is gonna get 8-10 million a year dont know if we can pay that. Amerson might be a decent option in a heavy zone scheme he was a ball hawk in college Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: I would love love love Gaines back but it really looks like he is gonna get 8-10 million a year dont know if we can pay that. Amerson might be a decent option in a heavy zone scheme he was a ball hawk in college At last, folks are coming around to my offseason plan...where were you all back in November?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I would love love love Gaines back but it really looks like he is gonna get 8-10 million a year dont know if we can pay that. Amerson might be a decent option in a heavy zone scheme he was a ball hawk in college Gaines is a good player, but can he really command that price with all of the durability concerns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I always liked Davis a bit but I am a huge proponent for young corners More tread left, faster. You can get them up to speed very fast in a primarily zone defense Productive , yet, cheaper defensive backs are the way to go IMO look at how we revamped our secondary in one year, with a bunch of cheaper role players who became key cogs or contributors ...dead on as usual......this gang has done an admiral job in decision making with the secondary......factor out Gaines' unfortunate injuries (BIG W/L difference when he's healthy) and their grade is still solid........ Edited February 12, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...dead on as usual......this gang has done an admiral job in decision making with the secondary......factor out Gaines' unfortunate injuries (BIG W/L difference when he's healthy) and their grade is still solid........ The problem is that he gets nicked up in 50% of the games. No exaggeration; he missed 5 altogether and parts of 3 others. I like the player; it's awfully hard to pay him what he's going to want in light of his availability problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Gaines is a good player, but can he really command that price with all of the durability concerns? I personally wouldn't think he can command that... but with the lack of solid Corners in the league their pay day just keeps going up i would love love to have him on a 4 year 30 million dollar deal 4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...dead on as usual......this gang has done an admiral job in decision making with the secondary......factor out Gaines' unfortunate injuries (BIG W/L difference when he's healthy) and their grade is still solid........ Gaines is very good. Unfortunately he plays so hard he usually takes himself out of games... hopefully He takes a team friendly deal because he has a bright future if he stays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: I personally wouldn't think he can command that... but with the lack of solid Corners in the league their pay day just keeps going up i would love love to have him on a 4 year 30 million dollar deal I would tie his contract to games played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: I would tie his contract to games played. His agent would never let him sign that deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: His agent would never let him sign that deal It's not all that unusual to have an incentive laden contract with some bonus structure tied to availability related to % of snaps or games played. That would be fair given his injury history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's not all that unusual to have an incentive laden contract with some bonus structure tied to availability related to % of snaps or games played. That would be fair given his injury history. I could see tying some bonus money to games-played, but you're never going to get that on a long-term deal. That generally only happens in one-year prove-it style deals like the one signed by Alshon Jeffery last offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: I could see tying some bonus money to games-played, but you're never going to get that on a long-term deal. That generally only happens in one-year prove-it style deals like the one signed by Alshon Jeffery last offseason. Fair point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I may be in the minority but I want Gaines back. I’d draft a guy in the 4th or 5th that I had confidence in to back him up. The secondary was outstanding and I don’t want to roll the dice that it continues with someone else in that spot. I would rather take my chances that Gaines can stay healthy. that will be the strength of the team and even better with pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I may be in the minority but I want Gaines back. I’d draft a guy in the 4th or 5th that I had confidence in to back him up. The secondary was outstanding and I don’t want to roll the dice that it continues with someone else in that spot. I would rather take my chances that Gaines can stay healthy. that will be the strength of the team and even better with pass rush. I'm with you. Frankly there isn't another free agent out there that I'm more comfortable replacing him with and I don't want to spend another day one pick on a CB. When you consider the value we're getting with the other starting DBs I'm OK with giving Gaines a market value contract. And I think Ross Cockrell might be a good back up we can bring back on the cheap. He's a solid zone corner that didn't fit Rex's D. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: The problem is that he gets nicked up in 50% of the games. No exaggeration; he missed 5 altogether and parts of 3 others. I like the player; it's awfully hard to pay him what he's going to want in light of his availability problem. ...completely agree......but was there much in his injury history pre-Bflo to tag him as a bad hire?.....when healthy and for his skill set, his $1.797 million dollar deal was a good find which is what I'm trying to say............ Season Week Description Status 2017 16 Knee Questionable 2017 10 Hamstring Questionable 2017 9 Hamstring Out 2017 8 Hamstring Out 2017 7 Groin Questionable 2017 5 Groin Questionable 2016 15 Thigh Doubtful 2016 14 Thigh Questionable 2016 3 Thigh Questionable 2016 2 Thigh Out 2016 1 Thigh Out 2015 Preseason Foot Day-To-Day 2014 17 Concussion Doubtful 2014 13 Knee Probable 2014 10 Knee Probable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 43 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...completely agree......but was there much in his injury history pre-Bflo to tag him as a bad hire?.....when healthy and for his skill set, his $1.797 million dollar deal was a good find which is what I'm trying to say............ Season Week Description Status 2017 16 Knee Questionable 2017 10 Hamstring Questionable 2017 9 Hamstring Out 2017 8 Hamstring Out 2017 7 Groin Questionable 2017 5 Groin Questionable 2016 15 Thigh Doubtful 2016 14 Thigh Questionable 2016 3 Thigh Questionable 2016 2 Thigh Out 2016 1 Thigh Out 2015 Preseason Foot Day-To-Day 2014 17 Concussion Doubtful 2014 13 Knee Probable 2014 10 Knee Probable Well, he's never completed a 16-game season. He missed only 1 game as a rookie, then missed his entire 2nd season, missed 5 games and parts of 2 others in his 3rd year, and then missed 5 games and parts of 3 others with Buffalo. To me, that's a major concern. Kirby is right that the secondary was downright excellent with him in the lineup, and if all things were equal, I'd like him back. I just worry about the value for a guy that will probably want $10M AAV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: I may be in the minority but I want Gaines back. I’d draft a guy in the 4th or 5th that I had confidence in to back him up. The secondary was outstanding and I don’t want to roll the dice that it continues with someone else in that spot. I would rather take my chances that Gaines can stay healthy. that will be the strength of the team and even better with pass rush. How far will Beane be willing to go with McDermott's saying the best ability is availability? They simply can't count on him given the history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Dunno the market for Davis, who used to be excellent, but if he's going to be expensive I'd rather get a guy like Justin Coleman from the Seahawks who's younger and probably going to be cheaper. RFA though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Well, he's never completed a 16-game season. He missed only 1 game as a rookie, then missed his entire 2nd season, missed 5 games and parts of 2 others in his 3rd year, and then missed 5 games and parts of 3 others with Buffalo. To me, that's a major concern. Kirby is right that the secondary was downright excellent with him in the lineup, and if all things were equal, I'd like him back. I just worry about the value for a guy that will probably want $10M AAV. ...absolutely agree and no way he gets that type of deal in Bflo.....look at the value finds of Hyde and Poyer who far exceeded their pay with effort and contribution...SPECIAL thanks to FORMER Pack GM Thompson for letting Hyde walk...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...absolutely agree and no way he gets that type of deal in Bflo.....look at the value finds of Hyde and Poyer who far exceeded their pay with effort and contribution...SPECIAL thanks to FORMER Pack GM Thompson for letting Hyde walk...... Yep 100%. There's no percentage in a team like us paying top dollar for non-QB positions right now, they need to keep focusing on finding value deals in FA. Teams like the Pats can afford to pay for a Gilmore because he's going to put them over the top (or at least that was the idea), we need to continue to build patiently and high priced acquisitions (again, outside QB imo) don't fit the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I may be in the minority, but I think Gaines gets no where near 9-10 million sportrac values him at. I'd be surprised to see it because of the injury concerns. I bet the Bills could get him for half that with a 3-4 year deal and 40% guaranteed. Further, I've done some sims on this scenario and you can get him most of the time for alot less than 9 million. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 30 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Well, he's never completed a 16-game season. He missed only 1 game as a rookie, then missed his entire 2nd season, missed 5 games and parts of 2 others in his 3rd year, and then missed 5 games and parts of 3 others with Buffalo. To me, that's a major concern. Kirby is right that the secondary was downright excellent with him in the lineup, and if all things were equal, I'd like him back. I just worry about the value for a guy that will probably want $10M AAV. 25 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: How far will Beane be willing to go with McDermott's saying the best ability is availability? They simply can't count on him given the history. I don’t know what their number is. I do know that Gaines is the guy that put the Watkins deal over the top for them. It was like Mathews as a throw in to get a pick. Gaines was a guy that they planned to go after this offseason. Now, that may have changed with his injuries but I’d have to think that he may be a guy that they are willing to overspend (some) on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 34 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...absolutely agree and no way he gets that type of deal in Bflo.....look at the value finds of Hyde and Poyer who far exceeded their pay with effort and contribution...SPECIAL thanks to FORMER Pack GM Thompson for letting Hyde walk...... I think if they go the UFA route, Rashaan Melvin from Indy would be a guy that makes a lot of sense. He's one of those under-the-radar types (at least as far as media outlets go), but he's got the size they like (6'2"), he's very good in zone, and he's an excellent tackler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: I think if they go the UFA route, Rashaan Melvin from Indy would be a guy that makes a lot of sense. He's one of those under-the-radar types (at least as far as media outlets go), but he's got the size they like (6'2"), he's very good in zone, and he's an excellent tackler. ...thanks for your input.....hope that Frank agrees..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I personally wouldn't think he can command that... but with the lack of solid Corners in the league their pay day just keeps going up i would love love to have him on a 4 year 30 million dollar deal Gaines is very good. Unfortunately he plays so hard he usually takes himself out of games... hopefully He takes a team friendly deal because he has a bright future if he stays I don't know what "plays so hard is" for this guy. But I seen him come up and make routine tackles and come up hurt. He may not be Mr Glass....but I bet he lives on a beach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 38 minutes ago, cba fan said: I don't know what "plays so hard is" for this guy. But I seen him come up and make routine tackles and come up hurt. He may not be Mr Glass....but I bet he lives on a beach. He tries laying the wood too much and that makes him vulnerable to injuries hes been that way for years. Over aggressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, Buffalo716 said: He tries laying the wood too much and that makes him vulnerable to injuries hes been that way for years. Over aggressive Does he think he's Leonard Johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He tries laying the wood too much and that makes him vulnerable to injuries hes been that way for years. Over aggressive Not possible to lay the wood too much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Does he think he's Leonard Johnson? I don't know if he can lay the wood like that but few corners hit like him Johnson isn't the best cover man but he is definitely physical and that messes with some WRs heads Gaines is aggressive in his drop, with his eyes and playing the ball, reckless controlled abandon, but his body hasn't been able to keep up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I would be pleased if they kept Gaines. And Leonard. but not try to lock EJ up. Should let him test the market. ( based upon his injury tendency and i am hardly one to evaluate what OBD sees as risk ) what does Vontae want/expect for pay ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John from Riverside Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 22 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Gaines is a good player, but can he really command that price with all of the durability concerns? That is the question I have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sjjr Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Would be a great pick up at the right price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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