HappyDays Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 26 minutes ago, bdutton said: His numbers are middle of the pack just like Tyrod's. You're gonna need to back this one up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, HappyDays said: You're gonna need to back this one up. I did. Go back and check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, mikemac2001 said: So they traded alex smith and 2019 3rd for fuller and 2018 3rd seems like a better deal then I first thought Where are you getting that KC gave up a 2019 3rd? The projection is that Washington gains a 2019 3rd as a comp pick when Cousins departs via UFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I overall think your opinion of what McDermott's thinking is way off. My proof is you saying that McDermott is satisfied with the points we were scoring even though he stated specifically that was a concern. Then you stated you believe Taylor is running the offense how McDermott wants it to be ran but then he was benched. We've talked this to death and I've given my explanation many, many times. You disagree... fair enough. We'll find out soon enough. But I think you're confusing my past statement of "Taylor running the offense the way McDermott wants" with "McDermott was happy with our offense." Edited January 31, 2018 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamK Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 10 minutes ago, CritMark said: I don't think they could if they wanted to. They only have $36MM in cap space before the Smith deal. The transition tag will cost them $34MM. If nobody wanted to take that contract at $34MM, the Skins would need to gut their team and knowing it would be a fire sale, they would get 75 cents on the dollar if they were lucky. The Skins would need to pick up the remainder of a lot of contacts to make up the difference. It would take a pair of brass balls to try that or the stupidest owner in the NFL. I guess Snyder may qualify for one of those descriptions. Agreed. I think the Redskins would need to have a deal in place to do this. Would a team be willing to make a deal and take Cousins at 34MM with exclusive negotiating rights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 One step closer to keeping Tyrod (ducks behind bushes) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 10 minutes ago, bdutton said: I did. Go back and check. Where? You said Cousins "QB rating" (are you talking about passer rating or QBR?) Is not much higher than Tyrod's, which is wrong either way if you're talking about the 3 year period where they've been starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 25 minutes ago, aristocrat said: cousins had the 15th best season for yards in nfl history two years ago...but ok he's middle of the pack. Thats right, a mere 200 more yards than a 2004 Daunte Culpepper who was definitely a middle of the pack type QB. He was prolific leading his team to 8-7-1 with no post season that year and is so darn good the skins are opting for Alex Smith now. I continue wholeheartedly hoping the bills avoid a bidding war for Matt Hasselbeck 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, bdutton said: Cousin's market value is largely because of hype. Tylor's value is lower due to opposite hype. If you step back and look at the numbers, Tyrod has been consistently in the midle of the pack as a starter. Cousins cna put up bigger yardage but doesn't change his overall standing as a middle of the pack QB who's been overhyped. I disagree with Tyrod's numbers have been middle of the pack. With Taylor, we don't move the ball in the air with any consistency. I believe 29th is the highest he's finished in passing with 3 different offensive coordinators. Since 2015, Cousins has a total of 94 TD's with rushing and passing. Taylor has a total of 66 TD's with rushing and passing. Total yardage rushing and passing Cousins 14,000 + Taylor 10,600 I think Taylor has been the one overhyped. Signed a $92 million dollar contract only to have it slashed 8 months later. Has that ever happened? Beane and McDermott wants someone who can throw from the pocket. They've said it more than once. Taylor is among the worst in the NFL inside the pocket. McDermott benched Taylor while holding the 6th seed in the playoffs and for a 5th round rookie....that tells you everything what he thinks of him. 4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: We've talked this to death and I've given my explanation many, many times. You disagree... fair enough. But I think you're confusing my past statement of "Taylor running the offense the way McDermott wants" with "McDermott was happy with our offense." Your explanation doesn't make any sense because it's directly a conflicting statement from McDermott's. I'm not confusing anything. You're trying to find any nook where it's pro Taylor. You think emotionally and not logically when it comes to Taylor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CritMark Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That's the Franchise Tag cost IIRC. I stand correct. In researching it more, the Transition tag would be just under $29MM. The premise still holds however. That plus the Smith deal puts them WAY over the cap. Why would a team bite on a one year rental at $29MM? I call him a rental because Cousins has not agreed to a long term deal in the past two seasons and clearly wasn't this year or the Skins don't deal for Smith. Also, the $29MM puts him out of reach for a few destinations he might prefer. It's more than the Broncos have, just a few million short of what the Bills have. That puts Cousins choices at very few, reducing his negotiating position for that long term deal. If you want to get even more granular, look at the expected cap hit to sign this years draft class. It is projected to cost the Bills $8.4MM to sign thier draft picks (source: https://overthecap.com/draft/) so if you subtract that from the current available Bills cap space, they would not have the cap space to take Cousins at $29MM. Bottom line is trying to gamble on the Transition Tag for Cousins with the Smith deal could blow up the Skins for a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, CritMark said: I stand correct. In researching it more, the Transition tag would be just under $29MM. The premise still holds however. That plus the Smith deal puts them WAY over the cap. Why would a team bite on a one year rental at $29MM? I call him a rental because Cousins has not agreed to a long term deal in the past two seasons and clearly wasn't this year or the Skins don't deal for Smith. Also, the $29MM puts him out of reach for a few destinations he might prefer. It's more than the Broncos have, just a few million short of what the Bills have. That puts Cousins choices at very few, reducing his negotiating position for that long term deal. If you want to get even more granular, look at the expected cap hit to sign this years draft class. It is projected to cost the Bills $8.4MM to sign thier draft picks (source: https://overthecap.com/draft/) so if you subtract that from the current available Bills cap space, they would not have the cap space to take Cousins at $29MM. Bottom line is trying to gamble on the Transition Tag for Cousins with the Smith deal could blow up the Skins for a decade. Bottom Line: He's headed to UFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamK Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 34 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said: Why would they use the Transition tag? Transition tag means they have the right of first refusal but they get no compensation if they dont match. You are correct. It would have to be a franchise tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CritMark Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Bottom Line: He's headed to UFA. Yeah that seems to be fairly clear. I didn't even add to my calculations the $7MM it is going to cost Washington to sign there draft class. Cousins will walk and the Skins will get little compensation. Someone should write a book on how to mismanage a starting caliber NFL QB contract. Text book bad job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, CritMark said: Yeah that seems to be fairly clear. I didn't even add to my calculations the $7MM it is going to cost Washington to sign there draft class. Cousins will walk and the Skins will get little compensation. Someone should write a book on how to mismanage a starting caliber NFL QB contract. Text book bad job. Fine work from lil danny and BA yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamK Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Bottom Line: He's headed to UFA. Yes, I now understand why a tag and trade is highly unlikely - but it may be the only way a team like the Bills could get a legitimate shot at Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 25 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Thats right, a mere 200 more yards than a 2004 Daunte Culpepper who was definitely a middle of the pack type QB. He was prolific leading his team to 8-7-1 with no post season that year and is so darn good the skins are opting for Alex Smith now. I continue wholeheartedly hoping the bills avoid a bidding war for Matt Hasselbeck 2.0 dear god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Hamburg Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Good now we don’t have to worrry about the Bills getting Alex Smith anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 19 minutes ago, CritMark said: I stand correct. In researching it more, the Transition tag would be just under $29MM. The premise still holds however. That plus the Smith deal puts them WAY over the cap. Why would a team bite on a one year rental at $29MM? I call him a rental because Cousins has not agreed to a long term deal in the past two seasons and clearly wasn't this year or the Skins don't deal for Smith. Also, the $29MM puts him out of reach for a few destinations he might prefer. It's more than the Broncos have, just a few million short of what the Bills have. That puts Cousins choices at very few, reducing his negotiating position for that long term deal. If you want to get even more granular, look at the expected cap hit to sign this years draft class. It is projected to cost the Bills $8.4MM to sign thier draft picks (source: https://overthecap.com/draft/) so if you subtract that from the current available Bills cap space, they would not have the cap space to take Cousins at $29MM. Bottom line is trying to gamble on the Transition Tag for Cousins with the Smith deal could blow up the Skins for a decade. Cousins said he'd never sign a long-term deal with the Skins as long as Bruce Allen was GM. 5 minutes ago, CritMark said: Yeah that seems to be fairly clear. I didn't even add to my calculations the $7MM it is going to cost Washington to sign there draft class. Cousins will walk and the Skins will get little compensation. Someone should write a book on how to mismanage a starting caliber NFL QB contract. Text book bad job. They'll get a third round comp pick with the deal he's going to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Pederson: I hate that we'll face Smith twice a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Well cousins has said that he is looking to go to a winner over money, so he may come "cheaper" then many think. The problem in Washington, aside from them having Snider running the circus, is that they didn't want to lock him up long term. I would bet that many would be surprised to see him sign at a lower rate to get a long term deal especially if it's with a winning team. Broncos would be the team I can see getting him a a surprisingly affordable long term deal. Bills or Cardinals would be next with a possibility of the Jets if they can convince him they are about to turn things around with him. Browns will try bit I don't think he goes there if he is t being grossly overpaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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