Domdab99 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 For all of you saying, "I don't want another stop-gap or bridge QB" or whatever, well, guess what? No one does. But the main problem with that is that there are no other choices out there but a stop-gap or a bridge QB. Because there are no available franchise guys or QBs who will "take us to the next level." Cousins may be a bit better, but his arm strength to the boundry is suspect, and let's be honest - unless the Bills throw literally ALL of the money at him and destroy their cap so they aren't able to pay their rookies or retain any players not currently under contract or sign any helpful free agents - he ain't coming here. And the Bills aren't that stupid...I hope. This is why all the threads and possibilities are pretty much meaningless. It doesn't matter who QBs the team next year - unless that person suddenly pulls a Case Keenum and miraculously becomes great - we're going to have the same middling QB play as we've had for the last three years. The only way we're going to get better QB next year is by winning the draft lottery and drafting the next Wentz. But even Wentz wasn't a rookie sensation. So, if that doesn't happens, what's the right plan for the Bills? 1. Keep Tyrod or don't. It literally doesn't matter, because whoever we get won't be much better than Tyrod already is. Just don't break the bank for a Cousins or make a stupid trade-up by offering 3 1s or something similar in the hope that the QB we pick IS the next Wentz. 2. Instead, use those picks to fill out the needs of the roster: OL, WR, LB, DL. 3. Use one of those picks on a QB...maybe even move up a few spots if it's someone dropping that we really love. Maybe Jackson, maybe Rudolph, who knows? Or, take a flyer on a Smith in the latter rounds. I'm not going to pretend to know what they're going to do with Dennison or who the right replacement at OC would be. Just please god not Shula. That's the smart play and the one that has the best chance of building on our playoff season and actually make us better next year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: For all of you saying, "I don't want another stop-gap or bridge QB" or whatever, well, guess what? No one does. But the main problem with that is that there are no other choices out there but a stop-gap or a bridge QB. Because there are no available franchise guys or QBs who will "take us to the next level." Cousins may be a bit better, but his arm strength to the boundry is suspect, and let's be honest - unless the Bills throw literally ALL of the money at him and destroy their cap so they aren't able to pay their rookies or retain any players not currently under contract or sign any helpful free agents - he ain't coming here. And the Bills aren't that stupid...I hope. This is why all the threads and possibilities are pretty much meaningless. It doesn't matter who QBs the team next year - unless that person suddenly pulls a Case Keenum and miraculously becomes great - we're going to have the same middling QB play as we've had for the last three years. The only way we're going to get better QB next year is by winning the draft lottery and drafting the next Wentz. But even Wentz wasn't a rookie sensation. So, if that doesn't happens, what's the right plan for the Bills? 1. Keep Tyrod or don't. It literally doesn't matter, because whoever we get won't be much better than Tyrod already is. Just don't break the bank for a Cousins or make a stupid trade-up by offering 3 1s or something similar in the hope that the QB we pick IS the next Wentz. 2. Instead, use those picks to fill out the needs of the roster: OL, WR, LB, DL. 3. Use one of those picks on a QB...maybe even move up a few spots if it's someone dropping that we really love. Maybe Jackson, maybe Rudolph, who knows? Or, take a flyer on a Smith in the latter rounds. I'm not going to pretend to know what they're going to do with Dennison or who the right replacement at OC would be. Just please god not Shula. That's the smart play and the one that has the best chance of building on our playoff season and actually make us better next year. I agree with you to an extent, but I’m hoping we do find a QB that is already better than what tyrod is. Or at least have the potential to be better than him. I agree that I don’t want to break the bank or give up all of our draft assets to move up for a QB. I’m hoping someone will fall to us at 21. It’s really going to depend on what happens in free agency. Tyrod was one of the worst rated QBs in the league last season, so it shouldn’t be that hard to improve at the position.. Edited January 10, 2018 by Seanbillsfan2206 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 You're assuming the guy they draft won't be good. Maybe he will be. They know their careers will be tied to that rookies success or failure, but they have to try. I couldn't agree more on NOT bring a "stop gap" QB though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 So your plan is to have no plan and continue the same thing the franchise has done for 20 years, namely NOT reaching for a QB. Got it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 What I'm tired of hearing is that will never find a better bridge gap QB then Tyrod , so we should just keep him i completely disagree , i know nobody here thought much of Josh McCown , or Case Keenum and even Alex Smith would all be better option then 160 passing yard a game Tyrod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Putin said: What I'm tired of hearing is that will never find a better bridge gap QB then Tyrod , so we should just keep him i completely disagree , i know nobody here thought much of Josh McCown , or Case Keenum and even Alex Smith would all be better option then 160 passing yard a game Tyrod I like Tyrod so I need to go through mental gymnastics to justify keeping him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Yikes! Kick the QB can down the road because doing anything more than that is risky. Swallow your Tyrod pills and like it because if it ain't Tyrod it's going to be worse!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, joesixpack said: So your plan is to have no plan and continue the same thing the franchise has done for 20 years, namely NOT reaching for a QB. Got it. Seriously? JP Losman wasn't "reaching" for a QB? How about EJ Manuel? What world have you been living in for the last 20 years? Edited January 10, 2018 by CLTbills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Just now, CLTbills said: Seriously? JP Losman wasn't "reaching" for a QB? How about EJ Manuel? So you're counting TWO situations in my lifetime of over 30 years of bills fandom where they've ATTEMPTED to take a QB. Two. But yeah. Let's take a DT at 21 instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) What is it that Tyrod has done or “can do”, that makes fans feel as if there isn’t major room for improvement there?!!! Its laughable!!!! Edited January 10, 2018 by 1ZAYDAY1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: So you're counting TWO situations in my lifetime of over 30 years of bills fandom where they've ATTEMPTED to take a QB. Two. But yeah. Let's take a DT at 21 instead. You literally said "the same thing the franchise has done for 20 years, NOT reaching for a QB" We've done it at least twice that I can at least call "a reach"... We've drafted others as well. Your statement was just plainly not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 It's really pretty simple. By keeping Tyrod you'd be trading some extra rushing yards and very few interceptions for a very limited passing attack. Whereas if you dump him you're sure to get more passing yards per game In exchange for an extra interception and probably a first down or two from TTs scrambling. I'm more than willing to make the change. We've all seen what we get with the Tyrod version of the formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, CLTbills said: You literally said "the same thing the franchise has done for 20 years, NOT reaching for a QB" We've done it at least twice that I can at least call "a reach"... We've drafted others as well. Your statement was just plainly not true. Parse words much? You may think making the attempt at a first round LEGITIMATE QB twice in 30 years a good effort, but I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Parse words much? You may think making the attempt at a first round LEGITIMATE QB twice in 30 years a good effort, but I don't. Should we do it like Cleveland? Just burn our 1st every year on a QB, play him for a season, then draft another? Look, I'll be the first to admit that we NEED a QB. We are a halfway-competent QB away from being a real contender IMO. Just halfway freaking competent. However, drafting a franchise QB isn't that simple. If it was, everybody would have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, CLTbills said: Should we do it like Cleveland? Just burn our 1st every year on a QB, play him for a season, then draft another? Look, I'll be the first to admit that we NEED a QB. We are a halfway-competent QB away from being a real contender IMO. Just halfway freaking competent. However, drafting a franchise QB isn't that simple. If it was, everybody would have one. And how far do you get NOT drafting one? You have to swing if you want to hit the ball. Otherwise, you're just hoping for walks. I'm looking for a home run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieJohnsonGOAT Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: So your plan is to have no plan and continue the same thing the franchise has done for 20 years, namely NOT reaching for a QB. Got it. This guy gets it. The Jaguars have the best defense in the league and have NO CHANCE at winning the super bowl because their QB sucks. No other position really matters other than QB. Have to get your franchise guy no matter the cost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: And how far do you get NOT drafting one? You have to swing if you want to hit the ball. Otherwise, you're just hoping for walks. I'm looking for a home run. Oh I'm absolutely looking for a homerun.. But how much are you willing to give up for it? A great rookie QB does us no good if we can't put the pieces around him. Let's face it... The games we lost this year were lost mainly for three reasons - QB play, O-line couldn't protect, D-line couldn't get pressure. O-line and D-line aren't getting any younger. What I'm getting at is if we have to give up both 1sts and both 2nds to go get our "home run" guy, what did that solve, especially if we can't protect the kid? If there's a good one available at 21, say Baker Mayfield, I am 100% all in on taking him... But I'm not on board with giving away all of our capital to reach for one. I guess I feel like missing wont be as bad at 21 as it would be if we had like the #8 pick and freaking blew it. It'd be real bad if we gave away 3 more early round picks and still whiffed on the QB.. That'd put the franchise back several years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, CLTbills said: Oh I'm absolutely looking for a homerun.. But how much are you willing to give up for it? A great rookie QB does us no good if we can't put the pieces around him. Let's face it... The games we lost this year were lost mainly for three reasons - QB play, O-line couldn't protect, D-line couldn't get pressure. O-line and D-line aren't getting any younger. What I'm getting at is if we have to give up both 1sts and both 2nds to go get our "home run" guy, what did that solve, especially if we can't protect the kid? If there's a good one available at 21, say Baker Mayfield, I am 100% all in on taking him... But I'm not on board with giving away all of our capital to reach for one. I guess I feel like missing wont be as bad at 21 as it would be if we had like the #8 pick and freaking blew it. It'd be real bad if we gave away 3 more early round picks and still whiffed on the QB.. That'd put the franchise back several years. There's more than the draft for non-QB positions. Use FA to address other positions, and trade up to get the guy you want. I think we should be able to find better in FA than Ducasse and Mills, and if we can hit on a WR in rounds 2-3, we're on to something. But if you make NO attempt to get a QB because of draft position, that would be a career-seppuku kind of error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 This is why the Alex Smith to the Bills talk makes even more sense, on top of the perceived scheme fit. The Bills played their way out of the top QB lottery in the draft, even with two 1sts. There are numerous holes on the roster, and aging players. Smith (or a guy like him, not too expensive) can come in and keep the Bills competetive while they shore up the roster over the next 2-3 years, while also (hopefully) drafting a QB in the first couple of rounds this year and (if deemed necessary) next. Otherwise we're looking at a couple down years, regardless of schedule. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 cousins would be the best qb we've had since kelly. i just don't think the skins let him walk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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