Dorkington Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 While I think Benjamin is a great talent, I do find it ironic that an underperforming often injured WR is considered a #1, when Bills fans spent the last couple years saying Sammy sucks because he underperforms and is injured all the time. 1
Chuck Wagon Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 On 1/10/2018 at 8:33 PM, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Ya another Tyrod problem does not scan the field good or fast enough. Poor at reading defenses. Expand There simply aren't many guys, if any, who can keep the play alive long enough to scan the entire field. Watch any QB, even the great ones, where they are looking right after the snap is where the ball is going. A few guys (Wilson, Wentz) are able to keep the play alive to switch sides, but the idea of a big field general checking off 4 options before throwing the ball isn't reality. 1
Hurricane Marv Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) On 1/10/2018 at 8:37 PM, Dorkington said: While I think Benjamin is a great talent, I do find it ironic that an underperforming often injured WR is considered a #1, when Bills fans spent the last couple years saying Sammy sucks because he underperforms and is injured all the time. Expand They have very similar careers thus far, except Benjamin doesn't upset the locker room and seemingly believes that the Earth is round. I'll take the latter (plus the 5 or so extra inches). Very similar career arcs though. Edited January 10, 2018 by Hurricane Marv 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) On 1/10/2018 at 8:37 PM, Dorkington said: While I think Benjamin is a great talent, I do find it ironic that an underperforming often injured WR is considered a #1, when Bills fans spent the last couple years saying Sammy sucks because he underperforms and is injured all the time. Expand I had thought he was brought in to be a big target in the end zone. The reference above to TE makes sense, except WR's make more $ than a TE. Lets not forget who the OP is Edited January 10, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan
Chuck Wagon Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 On 1/10/2018 at 8:37 PM, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Agree. marquise goodwin type player would be great right now. Had a career year. Shows even more Tyrod is a bridge QB. Expand The irony is Benjamin was the type of guy they always needed when they had Woods / Watkins / Goodwin. They lose all 3 and then get the guy they were missing. The four of them together would be at the very top of the WR rankings. 1
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 On 1/10/2018 at 8:37 PM, Dorkington said: While I think Benjamin is a great talent, I do find it ironic that an underperforming often injured WR is considered a #1, when Bills fans spent the last couple years saying Sammy sucks because he underperforms and is injured all the time. Expand While Sammy did not do too good this year. I look at other WRS like Goodwin career year. Robert Woods was going to have career year to injuries. Chris Hogan as we all know...
Dorkington Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 On 1/10/2018 at 8:39 PM, Chuck Wagon said: The irony is Benjamin was the type of guy they always needed when they had Woods / Watkins / Goodwin. They lose all 3 and then get the guy they were missing. The four of them together would be at the very top of the WR rankings. Expand Yeah, don't get me wrong, I love having Benjamin, but we definitely need a speed guy right now (I consider Jones to be our new Woods type at this point).
Hurricane Marv Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 To be fair regarding Goodwin, he practically had a foot out of the league as a novelty just a couple of years back. I don't think anybody anticipated that he'd have the year that he did. Testament to Jimmy G. and San Francisco's lack of options, really.
Dorkington Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 On 1/10/2018 at 8:42 PM, Hurricane Marv said: To be fair regarding Goodwin, he practically had a foot out of the league as a novelty just a couple of years back. I don't think anybody anticipated that he'd have the year that he did. Testament to Jimmy G. and San Francisco's lack of options, really. Expand Fans may have been low on him, but I don't think the league was. He found a home pretty quickly in FA. He's had injuries, but they weren't chronic in one specific area, and when he had the opportunity to run a bigger route tree he performed pretty well too. 1
Alaska Darin Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 On 1/10/2018 at 12:28 AM, Rob's House said: What's the knock on Thompson? I haven't studied his game but as a casual observer it seems like he gets open, has decent hands, and great speed. Obviously he has weaknesses or he wouldn't have bounced around the league, but what are they? Expand He runs lazy routes too much of the time, doesn't track the deep ball well, and sometimes uses his body to catch the ball. 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 On 1/10/2018 at 8:31 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: the problem was that there was a wide open guy running a post route to the right side with no defender within 5 feet. Expand Oh no... don’t tell me that.... ?♂️
Elite Poster Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 On 1/10/2018 at 8:36 PM, Hurricane Marv said: Sweet troll. Nobody who actually knows what they're talking about agrees with this. You'd think a fat, slow, poor route running wide receiver with bad hands would garner a lot less interest in this league, but I guess everybody else is just dumber than this guy... Expand
Hurricane Marv Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) On 1/10/2018 at 11:33 PM, Elite Poster said: Expand So this random data without any backstory concludes that Benjamin is a slow, poor route running receiver with bad hands? What constitutes this data? When was it taken? Entire season, or after Benjamin got there? Is this Benjamin specifically? C'mon now, don't throw up a colored chart without any real context and suggest that it means Benjamin is overrated. Show me a chart that clearly indicates that Benjamin lacks separation relative to his peers over his entire career, which frankly shouldn't be that difficult to find or put together, rather than cherry picking other people's information from other threads to frame your own argument, please. Edited January 11, 2018 by Hurricane Marv
Hurricane Marv Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 Actually there's a ton of next generation data out there that actually does prove that Benjamin's separation as an individual has been terrible since last year. Really not that difficult to find. That graph ultimately still didn't really say anything about him personally.
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) He's a number 1 wr on a bad offensive team. He would be a really good #2. Separation is the key to being an elite wr. He doesn't separate well enough. He missed two years ago and Cam Newton was the MVP. You don't become better if you are missing a true 1 wr. Sammy, Kelvin, and Jones would have been amazing situation for a young qb to step into. But trust the process. Edited January 11, 2018 by C.Biscuit97 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 On 1/10/2018 at 11:03 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Oh no... don’t tell me that.... ?♂️ Expand Wide freaking open
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted January 11, 2018 Posted January 11, 2018 On 1/9/2018 at 11:39 PM, BuffaloBud420 said: The guy has great hands, can separate and uses his large frame very well. He can have Larry Fitzgerald and Brandon Marshall (in their prime) numbers with a good QB that's not afraid to throw. He is always open. We can get someone on the other side to stretch the field through FA like Mike Wallace or John Brown. Don't waste a high pick on a WR. Expand Are you Kelvin Benjamin's agent? He's been in the league for 4 years now and I think it's safe to say he is NOT a #1 WR. His ceiling, if he can stay healthy (which he hasn't), is a pretty good WR2.
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