Teddy KGB Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 40 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: None of this is right. McDermott was wrong. He threw 5 ints. You don't know who was consulted in the locker room and quite honestly, I don't care who was or of they were. It's not lazy, it's a fact he was 100% wrong playing Peterman. Why we are still having this debate or someone would want to just clearly be wrong, I don't understand. They made the playoffs, he made a bad decision. Let's just move on. We can move on when you stop saying he made the wrong decision. He he is the coach, He made the decision and the Bills are in playoffs 1 point for Coach, zero points for you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, teef said: eric woods was on sirius nfl the other day talking about this. i know you have to take it with a grain of salt when discussing something like this with the national media, but he claimed he, (and the team) were shocked by the move, but completely understood it. he said he had respect for mcd because he was willing to shake things up to win. i'm obviously paraphrasing, but this was the gist of it. it ended in disaster, but we can understand why the move was attempted. woods also specifically mentioned that fans don't see peterman play in practice like the other players/coaches do. maybe peterman is fantastic in practice? Wood kind of has to say that though. Especially being one of the leaders of the team What's he supposed to say? Mcd is an idiot who completely got it wrong? Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said: Yes listening again...... Having fun about the 4 way tie-breaker (and Cleveland being the reason Buffalo is in according to them) and barely beating Fales...... About 10:30 minutes in, but you hate him. I like him, a little too Boston-centric but he is a FAN......... Oh and also considered Peterman's qb/performance as the worst of the year (maybe all time)....... 14 year starter, future HOF QB, and 2 time Super Bowl Champion Ben Roethlisberger threw 5 INTs against the Jaguars this year. 4 of them were in one half. Bad games happen. But he didn't break the hearts of the #teamtyrod fangirls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 minute ago, twoandfourteen said: 14 year starter, future HOF QB, and 2 time Super Bowl Champion Ben Roethlisberger threw 5 INTs against the Jaguars this year. 4 of them were in one half. Bad games happen. But he didn't break the hearts of the #teamtyrod fangirls. He threw two pick 6's in a span of 3 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: 14 year starter, future HOF QB, and 2 time Super Bowl Champion Ben Roethlisberger threw 5 INTs against the Jaguars this year. 4 of them were in one half. Bad games happen. But he didn't break the hearts of the #teamtyrod fangirls. You can`t compare a future hall of fame QB who had a bad game, to a 5th round rookie who was put in when he wasn't ready... It`s completely different. If Nate Peterman had even half of Ben`s resume, he would have probably started the 2nd half that game, and would 100 percent be starting the week after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: 14 year starter, future HOF QB, and 2 time Super Bowl Champion Ben Roethlisberger threw 5 INTs against the Jaguars this year. 4 of them were in one half. Bad games happen. But he didn't break the hearts of the #teamtyrod fangirls. You are implying Nate Peterman is the next Big Ben? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 19 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Wood kind of has to say that though. Especially being one of the leaders of the team What's he supposed to say? Mcd is an idiot who completely got it wrong? Haha i hear ya. i even threw that idea in there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 17 hours ago, MAJBobby said: 56 yards passing in the Modern NFL. Not like any other QBs have had terrible games in the history of the NFL. 9/24 J. Flacco 8/18 28 yds 2 Ints 12/24 R. Wilson 14/21 93 yds 2 TDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: He is the jets qb. He went up 27 points with 5 mins left. ??♂️ Simmons knows the bills offense is terrible. He picked us to lose to the dolphins. Watching all the no shows vs the pats should make him formulate that opinion. Oh he was the reason with his 140 yards and 1 TD? So Tyrod curb stomped Carr and Matt Ryan then. Also McClown in the first game. Your logic. Edited January 3, 2018 by Scott7975 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: You can`t compare a future hall of fame QB who had a bad game, to a 5th round rookie who was put in when he wasn't ready... It`s completely different. If Nate Peterman had even half of Ben`s resume, he would have probably started the 2nd half that game, and would 100 percent be starting the week after 2 minutes ago, prissythecat said: You are implying Nate Peterman is the next Big Ben? Thank you to both of you, I was actually hoping for these responses. No, of course I'm not implying that Nate is the next Roethlisberger. That would be insane. Nate is most likely the next Drew Stanton, if anything. My point is that all of the scorching hottt "WORST PERFORMANCE BY A QB OF ALL-TIME, HAHAHA" or "MCDERMOTT IS SOOO STUPID!!!!! takes are ridiculous and incredibly lazy, and to use them to somehow excuse Tyrod Taylor's absolutely horrible performances this season and condemn McDermott as a coach is even more insane. Let's look at this objectively. In 2017, Nathan Peterman... Rookie QB Drafted in the 5th round 7 months into his NFL career Shouldn't have ever been put in that position, but the starter had been a tire fire in multiple games to that point. Threw 5 INTs in a half in his first ever start on the road. In 2017, Ben Roethlisberger... Future first ballot HOF'er 14 years as a starter in the NFL 2 Superbowl Rings 50,000+ passing yards/300+ passing TDs Threw 5 INTs at home in the 190th game of his career. 4 of those INTs occurred in the second half. 2 were returned for TDs in a span of 3 minutes. The Steelers were actually winning 9-7 when this all went down, and ended up losing 30-9. So what's the point? I'm glad you asked. The point is that bad games happen. If an all-time great like Ben Roethlisberger is susceptible to a total meltdown at QB, then a 5th round rookie playing in his first start is definitely capable of it. Peterman's game in LA was really unfortunate. It was an unmitigated disaster for the rookie QB and the rookie coach. But it's not as big of a deal as #teamtyrod and the empty-headed media are making it out to be. To say it's the "worst thing ever done by any QB ever" when it wasn't even the worst game by a QB in 2017 is ridiculous. Maybe I should make this it's own thread... hmmm. 17 minutes ago, billieve420 said: Not like any other QBs have had terrible games in the history of the NFL. 9/24 J. Flacco 8/18 28 yds 2 Ints 12/24 R. Wilson 14/21 93 yds 2 TDs Those are balanced out by Super Bowl rings, 300+ and 400+ yard performances, etc, etc. Do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 2 hours ago, teef said: i can honestly say that i've never heard a single minute of his show, so i don't like or hate him at all. to even say that's absurd. why are you trying so hard to discredit what this team has done? are they playoff giants? of course not, but you're acting like the bills don't deserved to be there at all because of how you feel about personnel decision this staff has made. it's childish. but hey, if stretching, (i can guarantee what you're saying isn't totally true...you have made things up in the past) what was said gets you through the day, have at it. Geez passing on what is a very good podcast and someone I enjoy who is like it or not fairly prominent in the industry. But of course Bills fans know better and told us so when Peterman was announced the starter. Don't ever have a contrary view to a Bills fan....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suorangefan4 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: You mean Joe Webb. It's really a miracle we made the playoffs this year. I mean if Webb doesn't connect with Thompson late in that game we lose that game. Wrong. Peterman was the starter that game and the Bills were winning when he got injured. Webb nearly blew the game throwing an INT that set the Colts up for a chance to win. Edited January 3, 2018 by suorangefan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 48 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: He threw two pick 6's in a span of 3 minutes. I had no idea it was that bad until I saw your post -- thanks for adding that in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said: Let's do this one more time. Pay attention. When evaluating a decision, you can only look at the information available at the time the decision was made. At the time, McD had a starting QB that was incapable of doing his job. To that point in the season, Taylor's body of work was poor and borderline terrible in multiple games. The Saints game was unacceptable by any measure and something had to be done. Period. That is where he was when Peterman got the call. The result of the decision was an unfortunate disaster. However, that doesn't mean that he was stupid or incompetent for making it. Tyrod Taylor put them in the position where they had no other choice but to make a change. Now, maybe you knew for certain that Peterman was going to throw 5 picks. If that's the case, then it's on you for not taking your crystal ball down to OBD to give McD a heads up. All I ask is that you use your powers of clairvoyance for good, not evil. No it was the expected disaster and result 95% of professionals and those not with skin in the game (i.e. fans) predicted would happen. A complete disaster/meltdown/5 Ints maybe not, but the best case scenario would have been a bad game, which is what one expectrs from a 5th round rookie in his first start..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: Geez passing on what is a very good podcast and someone I enjoy who is like it or not fairly prominent in the industry. But of course Bills fans know better and told us so when Peterman was announced the starter. Don't ever have a contrary view to a Bills fan....... what kind of argument is this? a ****ty one. hey 1972. this bills made the playoffs without sammy watkins. sammy watkins had another ok year, but isn't elite. you mad bro? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Just now, twoandfourteen said: Thank you to both of you, I was actually hoping for these responses. No, of course I'm not implying that Nate is the next Roethlisberger. That would be insane. Nate is most likely the next Drew Stanton, if anything. My point is that all of the scorching hottt "WORST PERFORMANCE BY A QB OF ALL-TIME, HAHAHA" or "MCDERMOTT IS SOOO STUPID!!!!! takes are ridiculous and incredibly lazy, and to use them to somehow excuse Tyrod Taylor's absolutely horrible performances this season and condemn McDermott as a coach is even more insane. Let's look at this objectively. In 2017, Nathan Peterman... Rookie QB Drafted in the 5th round 7 months into his NFL career Shouldn't have ever been put in that position, but the starter had been a tire fire in multiple games to that point. Threw 5 INTs in a half in his first ever start on the road. In 2017, Ben Roethlisberger... Future first ballot HOF'er 14 years as a starter in the NFL 2 Superbowl Rings 50,000+ passing yards/300+ passing TDs Threw 5 INTs at home in the 190th game of his career. 4 of those INTs occurred in the second half. 2 were returned for TDs in a span of 3 minutes. The Steelers were actually winning 9-7 when this all went down, and ended up losing 30-9. So what's the point? I'm glad you asked. The point is that bad games happen. If an all-time great like Ben Roethlisberger is susceptible to a total meltdown at QB, then a 5th round rookie playing in his first start is definitely capable of it. Peterman's game in LA was really unfortunate. It was an unmitigated disaster for the rookie QB and the rookie coach. But it's not as big of a deal as #teamtyrod and the empty-headed media are making it out to be. To say it's the "worst thing ever done by any QB ever" when it wasn't even the worst game by a QB in 2017 is ridiculous. Maybe I should make this it's own thread... hmmm. You’re missing your own point here. I understand you’re saying bad things can happen and great qbs can have bad games as well. But when Ben has a bad game does anyone question whether he was ready to play? Does anyone question the coach for starting him? Does anyone question whether he will start the next week or the remainder of the year? With all due respect, your analogy with Ben was not a good one at all. You are comparing apples and oranges here . Every single great QB has had terrible games. I don’t think anyone is arguing that if that’s your main point . Theres a massive difference when a 5th round rookie gets thrown into a game in which he clearly wasn’t ready for vs. A future hall of famer who just had a bad game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Oh he was the reason with his 140 yards and 1 TD? So Tyrod curb stomped Carr and Matt Ryan then. Also McClown in the first game. Your logic. I don’t care how you do the math. Ultimate result was a big F for the offense. Edited January 3, 2018 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: You're really going to act like the first pick 6 was his fault? He threw a screen pass which hit Dimarco right in the hands and popped up for an INT. No, he was talking about Roethlisberger against JAX. At 6:44 & 4:11 in the 3rd Quarter, the Jags took back-to-back INTs in for TDs. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201710080pit.htm Edited January 3, 2018 by twoandfourteen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Peterman wasn't ready and was pathetic....... Maybe one day he'll be ready, like Fales was vs. the Bills...... You guys are pathetic in your defense of the decision and his play...... Please point out the 2 good passes he threw and that 3 of the Ints weren't his fault. I need that one again. And Teef I'm not arguing, you don't listen to Simmons and I simply pointed out the conversation. Isn't this thread about the two old coots on PTI making fun of Peterman and they know nothing either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suorangefan4 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: No, he was talking about Roethlisberger against JAX. At 6:44 & 4:11 in the 3rd Quarter, the Jags tool back-to-back INTs in for TDs. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201710080pit.htm Ah my bad. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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