26CornerBlitz Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) Edited December 12, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 That's a pretty typical yearly increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, klos63 said: That's a pretty typical yearly increase. Pretty much...will be interesting to see what happens if networks refuse to pay what they have been and push for decreases in next TV contract bidding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Pretty much...will be interesting to see what happens if networks refuse to pay what they have been and push for decreases in next TV contract bidding... One of the streaming services signed at a large increase this week. We will see on the tv front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) I'd be interested to see how much profit the Bills take in each year and where it comes from. As the cap keeps going up, it seems like smaller markets should find it harder & harder to compete, as they don't take in nearly as much revenue as the big city teams do. I know there's revenue sharing, and the TV deals are extremely lucrative, but how does a team like Buffalo with a small market & fanbase afford to spend so much money on players in the future when it hits $200 million and above? Once they spend that much, how much is there left over for all the other costs of operations, coaching staff, scouts, front office personnel, trainers, regular employees, upkeep costs, stadium maintenance, property tax, facilities, marketing, etc.? Maybe NFL teams like us, the Titans, the Jags, or New Orleans make more money than I realize, but it still seems like eventually we won't be able to keep pace. Edit: Well, I just looked into a tiny bit of it, and the Bills are dead last in terms of operating profit, and 2nd to last in total yearly revenue (we bring it $352 million yearly, netting $53 million in profit). Sadly, we're also valued at dead last at $1.6 billion, just under the Lions at $1.7 billion Increasing the cap $7-10 million a year is going to quickly eat into that, as I know there's a minimum you HAVE to spend towards the cap each season. Even teams with smaller markets are pulling in more than us. https://www.forbes.com/nfl-valuations/list/#tab:overall Edited December 13, 2017 by BigDingus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 6 hours ago, BigDingus said: I'd be interested to see how much profit the Bills take in each year and where it comes from. As the cap keeps going up, it seems like smaller markets should find it harder & harder to compete, as they don't take in nearly as much revenue as the big city teams do. I know there's revenue sharing, and the TV deals are extremely lucrative, but how does a team like Buffalo with a small market & fanbase afford to spend so much money on players in the future when it hits $200 million and above? Once they spend that much, how much is there left over for all the other costs of operations, coaching staff, scouts, front office personnel, trainers, regular employees, upkeep costs, stadium maintenance, property tax, facilities, marketing, etc.? Maybe NFL teams like us, the Titans, the Jags, or New Orleans make more money than I realize, but it still seems like eventually we won't be able to keep pace. Edit: Well, I just looked into a tiny bit of it, and the Bills are dead last in terms of operating profit, and 2nd to last in total yearly revenue (we bring it $352 million yearly, netting $53 million in profit). Sadly, we're also valued at dead last at $1.6 billion, just under the Lions at $1.7 billion Increasing the cap $7-10 million a year is going to quickly eat into that, as I know there's a minimum you HAVE to spend towards the cap each season. Even teams with smaller markets are pulling in more than us. https://www.forbes.com/nfl-valuations/list/#tab:overall The reason the cap increases is because revenue increases, there's a correlation between the two. I'm not sure that this makes our situation worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 6 hours ago, BigDingus said: I'd be interested to see how much profit the Bills take in each year and where it comes from. As the cap keeps going up, it seems like smaller markets should find it harder & harder to compete, as they don't take in nearly as much revenue as the big city teams do. I know there's revenue sharing, and the TV deals are extremely lucrative, but how does a team like Buffalo with a small market & fanbase afford to spend so much money on players in the future when it hits $200 million and above? Once they spend that much, how much is there left over for all the other costs of operations, coaching staff, scouts, front office personnel, trainers, regular employees, upkeep costs, stadium maintenance, property tax, facilities, marketing, etc.? Maybe NFL teams like us, the Titans, the Jags, or New Orleans make more money than I realize, but it still seems like eventually we won't be able to keep pace. Edit: Well, I just looked into a tiny bit of it, and the Bills are dead last in terms of operating profit, and 2nd to last in total yearly revenue (we bring it $352 million yearly, netting $53 million in profit). Sadly, we're also valued at dead last at $1.6 billion, just under the Lions at $1.7 billion Increasing the cap $7-10 million a year is going to quickly eat into that, as I know there's a minimum you HAVE to spend towards the cap each season. Even teams with smaller markets are pulling in more than us. https://www.forbes.com/nfl-valuations/list/#tab:overall I thought all the money problems went away when Pegulas bought the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 Rapoport: NFL salary cap projected to rise to as much as $178 million (0:53) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 7 hours ago, BigDingus said: I'd be interested to see how much profit the Bills take in each year and where it comes from. As the cap keeps going up, it seems like smaller markets should find it harder & harder to compete, as they don't take in nearly as much revenue as the big city teams do. I know there's revenue sharing, and the TV deals are extremely lucrative, but how does a team like Buffalo with a small market & fanbase afford to spend so much money on players in the future when it hits $200 million and above? Once they spend that much, how much is there left over for all the other costs of operations, coaching staff, scouts, front office personnel, trainers, regular employees, upkeep costs, stadium maintenance, property tax, facilities, marketing, etc.? Maybe NFL teams like us, the Titans, the Jags, or New Orleans make more money than I realize, but it still seems like eventually we won't be able to keep pace. Edit: Well, I just looked into a tiny bit of it, and the Bills are dead last in terms of operating profit, and 2nd to last in total yearly revenue (we bring it $352 million yearly, netting $53 million in profit). Sadly, we're also valued at dead last at $1.6 billion, just under the Lions at $1.7 billion Increasing the cap $7-10 million a year is going to quickly eat into that, as I know there's a minimum you HAVE to spend towards the cap each season. Even teams with smaller markets are pulling in more than us. https://www.forbes.com/nfl-valuations/list/#tab:overall You need to raelly do a lot of reading to understand how all of this works. You are pretty clueless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Assuming we don't retain TT, doesn't that give us nearly $50 M in cap space for 2018? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 All I know it's 11M more to invest in a damn qb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 Just now, LABILLBACKER said: All I know it's 11M more to invest in a damn qb. I hope they draft a QB in the 1st who'll be reasonably cost controlled for the next five seasons. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 so what does this mean for our cap space for next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) We're not last in revenue or operating income and were mid way on debt ratio %. As one of the smallest markets in the NFL we show up and there are so many Bill fans that have moved out of the area it would be interesting to see how many NFL SUnday ticket purchases are from Bills fans All this while missing the playoffs for 18 years.. Imagine we will move up th elist a chunk when the wins and playoffs starting rolling back in regulalry Edited December 13, 2017 by ddaryl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: so what does this mean for our cap space for next year? A little more than $40M as things are now: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2018/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 22 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: A little more than $40M as things are now: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2018/ So if we don't retain TT, then I think it moves to $50M. Also, does this take into account with the potential projected $178M total? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 Just now, Magox said: So if we don't retain TT, then I think it moves to $50M. Also, does this take into account with the potential projected $178M total? They have it at $176M split down the middle. We'll see where it actually lands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Of course, we have to see what we do with a potential FA QB. Kyle Williams, Lorenzo, replacing J. Matthews and Gaines. I do believe that what Dunkirk said would make sense, they try to get Kyle to a discount but I doubt he goes for it. Gaines I'm hoping they can get for below $8m a year. Lorenzo I hope they can get for about $3M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 Just now, Magox said: Of course, we have to see what we do with a potential FA QB. Kyle Williams, Lorenzo, replacing J. Matthews and Gaines. I do believe that what Dunkirk said would make sense, they try to get Kyle to a discount but I doubt he goes for it. Gaines I'm hoping they can get for below $8m a year. Lorenzo I hope they can get for about $3M. Lorenzo is already under contract for 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Lorenzo is already under contract for 2018. That's good to hear. I don't want him starting but in a special teams role and some spot duty pass rushing he will be serviceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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