The McDermott Thread

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

2 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

Blelichek punted down ten with 4 minutes to go...should he be fired too?

Fire his ass!

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, xRUSHx said:

When you have your 3rd string QB in the game when it's a blizzard out you play field position and rely heavy on the D to get the ball back. I agree with what he did, it paid off and we won. IMO it is exactly what Levy would have done.

You understand that they had to go a much longer field with the 3rd string quarterback after getting the ball back, right?

1 hour ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

seriously, you people bitching and moaning about a first year coach is STUPID but considering the sources that are doing so is not surprising.

 

keep whining, you all are real good at it.

We are not aloud to critique a coach just because he's in his first year?

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

27 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

You understand that they had to go a much longer field with the 3rd string quarterback after getting the ball back, right?

We are not aloud to critique a coach just because he's in his first year?

 

critique is one thing, I believe you know the difference. calling him an idiot and chastising him is another. not saying you have but since you felt the need to quote me then hopefully you know the difference?

[BillsFan130]

15 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

critique is one thing, I believe you know the difference. calling him an idiot and chastising him is another. not saying you have but since you felt the need to quote me then hopefully you know the difference?

I have an opinion on him so far and there are more negatives than positives.

 

I am not saying fire him or anything like that but I do think he needs to improve on a lot of areas going into next year.

 

So if my opinion falls under your definition of stupid then so be it. But I'm definitely not going to give him excuses or kiss his arse just because he's a first year head coach

Edited December 12, 2017 by billsfan11

[Johnny Hammersticks]

First year HC of an overachieving team.  Grade of incomplete from me.  How anyone can form a strong opinion, either way, is puzzling to me.

 

I will say that the “culture” of the team seams vastly improved over previous years despite the roster being gutted like it has.  He hasn’t been perfect, but he is doing some things very well, IMO.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

9 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

I have an opinion on him so far and there are more negatives than positives.

 

I am not saying fire him or anything like that but I do think he needs to improve on a lot of areas going into next year.

 

So if my opinion falls under your definition of stupid then so be it. But I'm definitely not going to give him excuses or kiss his arse just because he's a first year head coach

 

bold: who's kissing his ass?

 

you quoted me and I responded. I never called you stupid, you have a bad conscience?

 

what is stupid is those who are not willing to accept a first year coach and his mistakes. if this was year 3 then I would even be calling for his head. since he's not I can give him a chance to become a better coach. sitting at 7-6 and still in the hunt with a very thin at talent roster is not bad, in fact it's pretty good and he has been a big part of that regardless of the bad calls.

 

bitching and moaning about it as many are doing is doing just that, bitching and moaning.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

56 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

 

We are not aloud to critique a coach just because he's in his first year?

 

Fair enough, but is McCoach not aloud just a little bit of leniency given that he is essentially learning on the job?  I think he should be aloud that.  Just as you are aloud to be critical of his shortcomings.

[BillsFan130]

11 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

bold: who's kissing his ass?

 

you quoted me and I responded. I never called you stupid, you have a bad conscience?

 

what is stupid is those who are not willing to accept a first year coach and his mistakes. if this was year 3 then I would even be calling for his head. since he's not I can give him a chance to become a better coach. sitting at 7-6 and still in the hunt with a very thin at talent roster is not bad, in fact it's pretty good and he has been a big part of that regardless of the bad calls.

 

bitching and moaning about it as many are doing is doing just that, bitching and moaning.

I never once said you called me  stupid. I said if my opinion of what I just said above falls under the definition of stupid for you, then so be it. Meaning I have no idea if you think what I said falls under your original post about "stupid" and "bitching and moaning".

 

And I never once said anyone is kissing his arse (well I can probably name a few posters), but I'm saying I'm not going to look the other way and say everything is ok when he makes glaring mistakes just because he is a first year head coach... For one, clock management and burning timeouts like they are useless.... He hasn't learned a thing since week 1 about that. 13 weeks later its inexcusable not to adjust, whether its your first year or 15th year.

 

If a regular guy at a job, say working at Mcdonalds does a glaring mistake the first few weeks, I'm sure people will give him the benefit of the doubt. But if he does it 3 months later and does those same mistakes, it really is inexcusable and that's a problem. You can't just say, "Well he is only 3-5 months in so it's ok to mess up the same thing over and over again". Do you not agree with that?

 

And once again I am not calling for his firing or calling him an idiot. But there are a lot of things he does that are extremely weird

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Fair enough, but is McCoach not aloud just a little bit of leniency given that he is essentially learning on the job?  I think he should be aloud that.  Just as you are aloud to be critical of his shortcomings.

I agree to a certain degree. But it is week 13 now. If he made these mistakes the first 4 weeks I would understand. But it seems like he isn't adjusting and he makes these same mistakes time and time again. Like clock management, and burning timeouts for very little reason

Edited December 12, 2017 by billsfan11

[Lfod]

I've chosen to reserve my opinions about our Head Coach untill middle of the season next year. Moves were made that have not come to fruition yet so I'd like to see how that plays out.

 

All I can be is hopeful because if this guy can't figure it out then the team I root for will be bad and I don't want that. I'm pretending he's the next great HC until it's obvious he isn't. Then I'll grab my pitchfork like everyone else.

 

I do believe he has the ammunition and should be able to have a better record next year so that's when I'd like to see results. If it's the same boring offence next year then I think mistakes were made and this isn't the guy to be the face of the new era.

 

His only mistake so far was getting the Bills to 5-2 creating high expectations from everyone. 

Edited December 12, 2017 by Lfod

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

Just now, billsfan11 said:

I never once said you called me a stupid. I said if my opinion of what I just said above falls under the definition of stupid for you, then so be it. Meaning I have no idea if you think what I said falls under your original post about "stupid" and "bitching and moaning".

 

And I never once said anyone is kissing his arse (well I can probably name a few posters), but I'm saying I'm not going to look the other way and say everything is ok when he makes glaring mistakes just because he is a first year head coach... For one, clock management and burning timeouts like they are useless.... He hasn't learned a thing since week 1 about that. 13 weeks later its inexcusable not to adjust, whether its your first year or 15th year.

 

If a regular guy at a job, say working at Mcdonalds does a glaring mistake the first few weeks, I'm sure people will give him the benefit of the doubt. But if he does it 3 months later and does those same mistakes, it really is inexcusable and that's a problem. You can't just say, "Well he is only 3-5 months in so it's ok to mess up the same thing over and over again". Do you not agree with that?

 

And once again I am not calling for his firing or calling him an idiot. But there are a lot of things he does that are extremely weird

 

 

 

 

 

 

did you call him an idiot?

 

call for his head?

 

no

 

that's what I find stupid.

 

I have no problem with your opinion although comparing a rookie HC in the nfl to a kid flipping burgers at mickey Ds is not a very good comparison in my opinion.

 

 

[BillsfanAZ]

I like McD and think he will learn from his mistakes. I like the culture change. I like the stockpile of draft picks they have. I am looking forward to seeing how the draft goes and who they get in free agency. 

[BillsFan130]

Just now, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

 

did you call him an idiot?

 

call for his head?

 

no

 

that's what I find stupid.

 

I have no problem with your opinion although comparing a rookie HC in the nfl to a kid flipping burgers at mickey Ds is not a very good comparison in my opinion.

 

 

Its an extreme comparison, but the same principles are there. They are employees and mistakes are going to happen the first few weeks as they are learning on the job. But those same mistakes shouldn't happen week in and week out for over 3 months

[Johnny Hammersticks]

13 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

Its an extreme comparison, but the same principles are there. They are employees and mistakes are going to happen the first few weeks as they are learning on the job. But those same mistakes shouldn't happen week in and week out for over 3 months

 

Can you be more specific about all of his mistakes?  You are acting as though his game management skills have been horrible.  I’ve seen a few instances of less than stellar clock management, but otherwise I think he has done a pretty decent job.  What, specifically, is making you think he is doing such a terrible job?  

 

That OT punt was controversial, but ended up being the right decision and we won the game.

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Can you be more specific about all of his mistakes?  You are acting as though his game management skills have been horrible.  I’ve seen a few instances of less than stellar clock management, but otherwise I think he has done a pretty decent job.  What, specifically, is making you think he is doing such a terrible job?  

 

That OT punt was controversial, but ended up being the right decision and we won the game.

I don't think he's doing a terrible job, I want to make that clear.

 

And the mistakes in my opinion are 3 main things. Being too conservative at times, clock management, and burning timeouts.

 

I don't have to give you too many examples about conservative as I'm sure you know a few good instances at the top of your head. ( kicking field goal inside 1 yard line against ATL, punt last week of course) those are just a couple right off the bat.

 

Clock management is bad on to many occasions. Like when they have the lead in the 4th and they snap it with 15 seconds left on the Play clock. At the end of the half I find it bad for the most part. Except last game as it worked out brilliant.

 

And the burning of timeouts. He called 2 last week on the Colts final drive because he wanted to see the Colts line up. You just can't do that. If that two point conversation stands, you need to have those timeouts you used. All year he has done that with his timeouts.

 

That's just my opinion, feel free to disagree of course.

 

I just think he really has to improve on those 3 main things if the Bills are ever going to be a Superbowl contender one day

[JPP]

Willing to see how they do in the draft.....overall he hasnt disappointed to an extreme amount per say.....just the conservativeness we seen throughout the season is frustrating to watch at times......Dump Dennision after the season and all is good!

[xRUSHx]

1 hour ago, billsfan11 said:

You understand that they had to go a much longer field with the 3rd string quarterback after getting the ball back, right?

We are not aloud to critique a coach just because he's in his first year?

I get what your saying with possibly having a longer field for our 3rd string QB but the kick gives the Dolts a longer field and gives us 4 fresh downs not all in on one play if they did not kick. It also would have gave the Dolts half a field if our 3rd string QB failed on that 4th. Maybe he was hopeful of a bad kick from the Dolts after 4 downs or a turnover. Eitherway the Dolts were the away team in a winter wonderland with the longer field, lucky for us we won and it turned out to be the right call. I just think a call like that is a crap shoot, damed if you do, damed if you dont.

 

[Happy]

25 minutes ago, JPP said:

Willing to see how they do in the draft.....overall he hasnt disappointed to an extreme amount per say.....just the conservativeness we seen throughout the season is frustrating to watch at times......Dump Dennision after the season and all is good!

Good post, and I agree.  Should be interesting to see if McDermott is willing to make coaching staff changes, especially this one.

My fear is that he retains Dennison citing QB not able to run the offensive scheme properly.  If this is the case, McDermott isn't any different than many of the coaches in the NFL now; forcing a system on players regardless if their skillset doesn't align with said system.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

32 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

I don't think he's doing a terrible job, I want to make that clear.

 

And the mistakes in my opinion are 3 main things. Being too conservative at times, clock management, and burning timeouts.

 

I don't have to give you too many examples about conservative as I'm sure you know a few good instances at the top of your head. ( kicking field goal inside 1 yard line against ATL, punt last week of course) those are just a couple right off the bat.

 

Clock management is bad on to many occasions. Like when they have the lead in the 4th and they snap it with 15 seconds left on the Play clock. At the end of the half I find it bad for the most part. Except last game as it worked out brilliant.

 

And the burning of timeouts. He called 2 last week on the Colts final drive because he wanted to see the Colts line up. You just can't do that. If that two point conversation stands, you need to have those timeouts you used. All year he has done that with his timeouts.

 

That's just my opinion, feel free to disagree of course.

 

I just think he really has to improve on those 3 main things if the Bills are ever going to be a Superbowl contender one day

 

Do you think perhaps that his conservative coaching approach may be a reflection of his personnel, most specifically on offense?  His QB for example is regarded as a game manager who takes care of the football.  I would contend that his gameplans are less of a reflection of him as a coach, and more of what he has to work with.  

 

As some have stated...I’m interested to see how he does with a real QB and some additional pieces.

Edited December 12, 2017 by Johnny Hammersticks

[xRUSHx]

5 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

Good post, and I agree.  Should be interesting to see if McDermott is willing to make coaching staff changes, especially this one.

My fear is that he retains Dennison citing QB not able to run the offensive scheme properly.  If this is the case, McDermott isn't any different than many of the coaches in the NFL now; forcing a system on players regardless if their skillset doesn't align with said system.

Forcing a system?

Tyrod is on OC #3, IMO the only forcing is our QB forcing 3 OCs to scrap their system for him and even that wasnt enough for him. It is easy to blame a OC if you have the right QB but not when he is the wrong one. I am ok if McD wants to stay with what he has in coaches and just get rid of the OC killer Tyrod.

Tyrods 2 other OCs are doing very well for themselves once they left Tyrod.

Edited December 12, 2017 by xRUSHx

[Happy]

2 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

Forcing a system?

Tyrod is on OC #3, IMO the only forcing is our QB forcing 3 OCs to scrap their system for him and even that wasnt enough for him. It is easy to blame a OC if you have the right QB but not when he is the wrong one. I am ok if McD wants to stay with what he has in coaches and just get rid of the OC killer Tyrod.

Tyrods 2 other OCs are doing very well for themselves once they left Tyrod.

I think this is where we differ.  Dennison has been a huge problem, and IMO, is responsible for the Carolina and Cincy losses due to his inept playcalling.  You can also look at him for the Jets loss, he insisted on running into a five man stacked front.  Then there is his blocking scheme which the OLine is still struggling with.

Tyrod and the offense had much better production last year, so why the drop off this year?  Don't get me wrong, I think it is time to move on from Tyrod, but he's not the only problem.

[1billsfan]

 

The Bills will be in the playoffs (breaking the 17 year streak) if they win their final 3 games and still have a decent chance if the go 2-1...

 

...and WGR hosts and a segment of never happy Bills fans can't stop complaining. SMH.

 

 

[BillsFan130]

14 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Do you think perhaps that his conservative coaching approach may be a reflection of his personnel, most specifically on offense?  His QB for example is regarded as a game manager who takes care of the football.  I would contend that his gameplans are less of a reflection of him as a coach, and more of what he has to work with.  

 

As some have stated...I’m interested to see how he does with a real QB and some additional pieces.

It's possible. He is a defensive coach though and defensive head coaches generally lean towards the conservative side. Not all the time but most of the time.

 

Well let's just hope they draft their guy in next year's draft and get a competent offensive coordinator to develop the young QB

[xRUSHx]

19 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

I think this is where we differ.  Dennison has been a huge problem, and IMO, is responsible for the Carolina and Cincy losses due to his inept playcalling.  You can also look at him for the Jets loss, he insisted on running into a five man stacked front.  Then there is his blocking scheme which the OLine is still struggling with.

Tyrod and the offense had much better production last year, so why the drop off this year?  Don't get me wrong, I think it is time to move on from Tyrod, but he's not the only problem.

Yes we do differ on our opinions of who is mostly at fault.

I blame Tyrod because this is OC#3 sorry man but after 2 others could not make him a better QB it is hard for me to blame #3. I get why many want to put some blame on our current OC and maybe it is just but IMO McD should look at the full picture that our current OC is in with Tyrod. When Tyrod was brought back the first thing I thought was year 1 that OC will be fired and blamed for the offensive problems and that was before the season even started and here we are a hot topic of him being fired. The same was said about our last 2 OCs that they stink but yet here we are with both doing well in the NFL. Things that should make you go hmmmm? Will our current OC also look better on a different team with a better QB like the other 2?

 

IMO if our current OC fails with our new QB next year only then I will agree it is the OC at fault. 

35 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Do you think perhaps that his conservative coaching approach may be a reflection of his personnel, most specifically on offense?  His QB for example is regarded as a game manager who takes care of the football.  I would contend that his gameplans are less of a reflection of him as a coach, and more of what he has to work with.  

 

As some have stated...I’m interested to see how he does with a real QB and some additional pieces.

Good post man

Edited December 12, 2017 by xRUSHx

[PaattMaann]

I like McDermott and his vision of a team...for the most part. I wish we played with more attitude/edge, but perhaps that is partly on the players we have on the roster and he will bring more players with edge in. 

 

I do not like that he IS NOT learning from his in-game mistakes. He preaches all the time about the process, and how you have to continue to learn and build from both good things and bad things..yet he is still mis managing time clock/game management issues. So he is clearly NOT learning and it bothers me more than anything else he has done here. 

 

Hopefully the end of the season will give him more time to reflect and rectify his own personal process, but I do like the way he is building this team while still fielding a competitive (kind of) product. 

[Happy]

4 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

Things that should make you go hmmmm? Will our current OC also look better on a different team with a better QB like the other 2?

Highly doubt Dennison looks any better on a different team.  But I'm willing to find out.

 

Regarding our last 2 OC's: Greg Roman was basically scapegoated by Rex.  I seem to recall several posters on this board having issues with Roman two years ago, as well as the first two games last year, and not sorry to see him go.  I thought he was so-so, but also over complicated the playbook.  Enter Anthony Lynn.  He simplified the playbook and tailored the offense to Tyrod; our offense was not the problem last year.  So Anthony Lynn got a HC positon with the Chargers.  If he sucked last year with Tyrod and the offense, do you think he would have been promoted?  I don't.

 

Again, I think Dennison is the problem and I do not see him being successful anywhere other than behind Gary Kubiak or Mike Shanahan, neither of which are coaching.  Dennison struggles on his own.  Hopefully McDermott sees this.

[Success]

I don’t understand picking out a few bad decisions to evaluate a coach - even the best have those.

 

We’re 7-6 and have as good a shot at the playoffs at this time of year as we’ve had since Bledsoe.  So far, so good.

[PolishDave]

3 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

Highly doubt Dennison looks any better on a different team.  But I'm willing to find out.

 

Regarding our last 2 OC's: Greg Roman was basically scapegoated by Rex.  I seem to recall several posters on this board having issues with Roman two years ago, as well as the first two games last year, and not sorry to see him go.  I thought he was so-so, but also over complicated the playbook.  Enter Anthony Lynn.  He simplified the playbook and tailored the offense to Tyrod; our offense was not the problem last year.  So Anthony Lynn got a HC positon with the Chargers.  If he sucked last year with Tyrod and the offense, do you think he would have been promoted?  I don't.

 

Again, I think Dennison is the problem and I do not see him being successful anywhere other than behind Gary Kubiak or Mike Shanahan, neither of which are coaching.  Dennison struggles on his own.  Hopefully McDermott sees this.

 

Roman had to go primarily because he wasn't getting the plays called into the huddle in time.   That was an egregious failure at one of his most important duties.   That was why he was fired.

 

If it wasn't for that, he likely wouldn't have been fired.  (my opinion)

[THEHARDTRUTH]

11 hours ago, DollaBills said:

It seems to me there is a lot of talk about McDermott on the forum so I thought maybe we could have a conclusive, and singular thread about our rookie head coach.

 

It is fairly difficult to judge McDermott with such a small sample size of games under his belt as HC.

 

His success or failures in our eyes may also hinge upon persons like Dennison, Frazier, and of course Tyrod.

 

Remember when we were 5-2 and there was this comfy feeling that we finally found a stable head coach who had his wits about him and rallied the team to scrappy victories( sideline celebration in Raiders game)?
 

Remember terrible, terrible clock management skills and boneheaded benchings? 

 

Where do you stand? Surely there are lower hanging fruit on the tree to can... Is McDermott too conservative? Sound off!

Conclusive singular thread? Thats hilarious. How about a thread where everyone is firmly entrenched in their position and anyone who doesnt agree with them is a retard, a moron, or a retarded moron. 

[xRUSHx]

1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said:

Highly doubt Dennison looks any better on a different team.  But I'm willing to find out.

 

Regarding our last 2 OC's: Greg Roman was basically scapegoated by Rex.  I seem to recall several posters on this board having issues with Roman two years ago, as well as the first two games last year, and not sorry to see him go.  I thought he was so-so, but also over complicated the playbook.  Enter Anthony Lynn.  He simplified the playbook and tailored the offense to Tyrod; our offense was not the problem last year.  So Anthony Lynn got a HC positon with the Chargers.  If he sucked last year with Tyrod and the offense, do you think he would have been promoted?  I don't.

 

Again, I think Dennison is the problem and I do not see him being successful anywhere other than behind Gary Kubiak or Mike Shanahan, neither of which are coaching.  Dennison struggles on his own.  Hopefully McDermott sees this.

I think the he got a promotion idea is a little too much, sure he got offered another job but so did Rex. I can not get over the fact many say he got a promotion this year when he was first let go by the Bills, the Bills fired him. He was not offered a job to return so he was first fired before some team gave him a offer. I tend to consider a promotion as if the same team that promoted you is the one giving it. I compare it to Tyrod, he could not land a starter job in Baltimore so Baltimore let him go but he got a promotion to a starter here? IMO it just shows how one team thinks different then the other.

 

I know you tend to lean like some others to say last year's team was all on the D and the coaches as to why they still could not make a playoff team but our offense was not good enough and was also a big problem. Stats lie just like they do every year with Tyrod Just like they did with Trent Edwards.

[THEHARDTRUTH]

4 hours ago, xRUSHx said:

When you have your 3rd string QB in the game when it's a blizzard out you play field position and rely heavy on the D to get the ball back. I agree with what he did, it paid off and we won. IMO it is exactly what Levy would have done.

Thats 4 times superbowl loser levy right?

[xRUSHx]

2 minutes ago, THEHARDTRUTH said:

Thats 4 times superbowl loser levy right?

HOF Levy.

SMH for lack of respect for one of the Bills greatest.

[H2o]

McVay or Marrone will win COY. McDermott is gonna be ok though. Way better than Rex of course.

[THEHARDTRUTH]

4 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

HOF Levy.

SMH for lack of respect for one of the Bills greatest.

Bill Parcells, Joe Gibbs, and Bill Walsh get at least two superbowl championships with that roster. 4 time losers have no business with them in the hall.

[Happy]

6 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

HOF Levy.

SMH for lack of respect for one of the Bills greatest.

We're in complete agreement here.  Keeping the team focused and getting to 4 in a row is no easy feat, then or now.  IMO, no one will ever repeat that.

If he would have won even one SB, I suspect Marv would be viewed in a better light.

[xRUSHx]

Just now, THEHARDTRUTH said:

Bill Parcells, Joe Gibbs, and Bill Walsh get at least two superbowl championships with that roster. 4 time losers have no business with them in the hall.

Are you a Bills fan? Did you get to watch the Bills during Levys coaching era? Or are you a young one that never seen any of his games and just looks back and says he stunk because he lost all those SBs? What Levy accomplished here is epic if you do not want to acknowledge that you really need to find a new team. Again I SMH

[THEHARDTRUTH]

As for Mcdermott I like alot of what hes done. Trimming the fat off the roster is a plus. The draft picks are a positive. The clock management needs work. I know ten year olds who are more situationally aware than he is when it comes to crunch time. You can get away with blowing a timeout to decide if punting is a good idea against a happless Colts team. Your not gonna get away with boneheaded moves like that against a team like the steelers. He also does a good job of having this team ready at kickoff. The Jets game is the only really flat performance theyve had. Im willing to give him two years more minimum to see what he and beane can build.

Edited December 12, 2017 by THEHARDTRUTH

[xRUSHx]

2 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

We're in complete agreement here.  Keeping the team focused and getting to 4 in a row is no easy feat, then or now.  IMO, no one will ever repeat that.

If he would have won even one SB, I suspect Marv would be viewed in a better light.

Man what Levy did here was greater then winning a SB, his post is way off IMO.

I agree its too bad he couldn't get a SB win. That first SB was the one, it's really too bad for him, the players and the fans. Things could be so much different now.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

17 minutes ago, THEHARDTRUTH said:

Thats 4 times superbowl loser levy right?

 

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everyone is firmly entrenched in their position and anyone who doesnt agree with them is a retard, a moron, or a retarded moron.

 

 

retard.

[THEHARDTRUTH]

3 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

Are you a Bills fan? Did you get to watch the Bills during Levys coaching era? Or are you a young one that never seen any of his games and just looks back and says he stunk because he lost all those SBs? What Levy accomplished here is epic if you do not want to acknowledge that you really need to find a new team. Again I SMH

I had seasons tickets from 86 to 96. Been watching football since 1973. Bill Parcells beat levy with half the talent in superbowl 25. Bills should have won that game by 28. They were totally unprepared for the biggest game of their lives.

2 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

 

 

retard.

Sorry if you cant handle the truth but all ive seen in the forum since ive joined is bunch of two year olds pissing in each others cheerios. The tyrod taylor debate is a classic example. Bunch of bitchy little school girls fighting over their Justin Bieber decoder rings.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

6 minutes ago, THEHARDTRUTH said:

Sorry if you cant handle the truth but all ive seen in the forum since ive joined is bunch of two year olds pissing in each others cheerios. The tyrod taylor debate is a classic example. Bunch of bitchy little school girls fighting over their Justin Bieber decoder rings.

 

 

the truth is they were not losers, so to speak. yes, they lost the four sb's but getting there took winning and a lot of it. so to call levy a loser is not the truth at all.

 

I'm in total agreement with the bitching about McD but I wont go as far as to call them two year olds or compare them to a bunch of bitchy little school girls?

 

you could get your point across better then that instead of looking like a retard?