BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s fine that you would take Eli over Tyrod. It’s not fine to base that on “completing passes or attacking downfield.” The “eye test” from message board posters isn’t going to win many debates. I don't need to win a debate on here. Time will prove me right, as it has done over and over and over and over. And I'm stat hunting right now. 4 minutes ago, Bills757 said: Again, unless Eli can accomplish such feats with the Bills' Oline, your statement is moot. Soooo, who's he gonna throw the deep balls to, and, how is he going to have time to wait for the WR to run that far to throw a deep ball? Jump balls to KB. Draft a speedy deep threat. Outduel Brady on our way to the postseason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: We need to stick with NP as the starter heading into 2018 and double down on drafting another QB to compete with him. NP won't even stick as a backup. He blows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: I don't need to win a debate on here. Time will prove me right, as it has done over and over and over and over. And I'm stat hunting right now. Jump balls to KB. Draft a speedy deep threat. Outduel Brady on our way to the postseason! I’m an Eli fan. He’s been on my 2 QB team for like 4 years straight. I think that he belongs in the HOF. With that being said over the last 2 years he has been a shell of himself. It’s okay. He got old. That happens to all QBs that aren’t using HGH. This version of Eli is not the answer for any team though. He may go to Jacksonville and win but that’s because Bortles is a disaster. That doesn’t mean that Eli is good though. A bunch of guys could go there with that talent and “not screw it up” (Tyrod, Alex Smith, Tannehill, etc...). He’s a sitting duck in the pocket and no longer has his superstar WR. Beckham and his terrible running game have masked his deficiencies for a few years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m an Eli fan. He’s been on my 2 QB team for like 4 years straight. I think that he belongs in the HOF. With that being said over the last 2 years he has been a shell of himself. It’s okay. He got old. That happens to all QBs that aren’t using HGH. This version of Eli is not the answer for any team though. He may go to Jacksonville and win but that’s because Bortles is a disaster. That doesn’t mean that Eli is good though. A bunch of guys could go there with that talent and “not screw it up” (Tyrod, Alex Smith, Tannehill, etc...). He’s a sitting duck in the pocket and no longer has his superstar WR. Beckham and his terrible running game have masked his deficiencies for a few years. My man, Eli was purty good last year. How could a terrible run game mask his deficiencies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: NP might not be on the roster!! We are looking at a 1st round QB and a stopgap vet (maybe Bridgewater). I think that we have a new OC too. I’d say it’s roughly 70/30 that he’s on the team. I think that it is more likely that Peterman will be on the roster next year than will Taylor. My impression is that this regime has made a determination on Taylor a long time ago. Regardless if the Bills draft a qb early in the draft it's an interesting question as to what Vet is brought in before the rookie gets a chance to play. A Brian Hoyer type qb will probably brought in to school the prospect. In my opinion Mayfield may be the most ready qb to start right away. I'm not saying he is the best prospect because Rosen may be. But I do believe Mayfield is capable of making a quick transition. I know you are not a Dennison fan but to be fair it is a challenge to run an offense for an unconventional qb such as TT. If a Vet is brought in it is likely going to be a Vet who can run/manage a more conventional pro offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Give me ONE good reason Eli would want to come here? ONE!!! Just ONE!!! UGH. We are far from being a contender...Far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: My man, Eli was purty good last year. How could a terrible run game mask his deficiencies? He threw it a zillion times (38 times a game over each of the last 2 seasons). That actually is more than Tom Brady!! His gross numbers are fairly high because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Eli wouldn't even consider going from one non contender to another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, JohnC said: I think that it is more likely that Peterman will be on the roster next year than will Taylor. My impression is that this regime has made a determination on Taylor a long time ago. Regardless if the Bills draft a qb early in the draft it's an interesting question as to what Vet is brought in before the rookie gets a chance to play. A Brian Hoyer type qb will probably brought in to school the prospect. In my opinion Mayfield may be the most ready qb to start right away. I'm not saying he is the best prospect because Rosen may be. But I do believe Mayfield is capable of making a quick transition. I know you are not a Dennison fan but to be fair it is a challenge to run an offense for an unconventional qb such as TT. If a Vet is brought in it is likely going to be a Vet who can run/manage a more conventional pro offense. I definitely agree that Peterman is more likely to be here than Tyrod. The point was that he isn’t a lock. He’s maybe 70%. I would say that Tyrod is 25% or less. I do agree that that it is a challenge to tailor your scheme (no pun intended) to your talent but I just watched Andy Reid, Doug Pederson and Bill O’Brien do it. Why can’t Dennison? If the answer is “because he isn’t very good” it just proves my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He threw it a zillion times (38 times a game over each of the last 2 seasons). That actually is more than Tom Brady!! His gross numbers are fairly high because of it. That's pretty impressive to carry an offense like that. Imagine if he had some help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I definitely agree that Peterman is more likely to be here than Tyrod. The point was that he isn’t a lock. He’s maybe 70%. I would say that Tyrod is 25% or less. I do agree that that it is a challenge to tailor your scheme (no pun intended) to your talent but I just watched Andy Reid, Doug Pederson and Bill O’Brien do it. Why can’t Dennison? If the answer is “because he isn’t very good” it just proves my point. A question that is related to this discussion is where would be the best landing spot for Taylor? I think Jacksonville might be a good location for him. Marrone is old school and prefers a cautious offense that doesn't turn the ball over. It would be a good situation for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Just now, jmc12290 said: That's pretty impressive to carry an offense like that. Imagine if he had some help? He had Beckham and Sterling Sheppard. The numbers weren’t all that impressive when you look at what he did on a per attempt basis. That was kind of the point. He isn’t the player that he used to be. He’s not even Taylor or Dalton at this point. He is better than Flacco but has regressed in a similar manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: He had Beckham and Sterling Sheppard. The numbers weren’t all that impressive when you look at what he did on a per attempt basis. That was kind of the point. He isn’t the player that he used to be. He’s not even Taylor or Dalton at this point. He is better than Flacco but has regressed in a similar manner. I think you'll be wrong. Many folks said Rivers was done last year and not worth even trading for (not that it was possible). Believe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 What established quarterback would come here knowing the state of our offensive line? You'd have to give him a lot of guaranteed money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Why would we want Eli?................yeah, yeah, 2 time SB winner, i get it, but the guy is on a massive decline and his best years are behind him. Having Eli at this point is a lateral move............i thought we wanted to move this team forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: A question that is related to this discussion is where would be the best landing spot for Taylor? I think Jacksonville might be a good location for him. Marrone is old school and prefers a cautious offense that doesn't turn the ball over. It would be a good situation for him. I’ve thought Denver but think Jacksonville makes some sense. It’s going to be a defensive oriented team that wants to run the ball and take care of the ball. Denver could go that direction and Jacksonville is there. If you had Tyrod and Fournette with that defense though they could be tough. 7 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: I think you'll be wrong. Many folks said Rivers was done last year and not worth even trading for (not that it was possible). Believe! I love Rivers!! Maybe you are right and like I said Jacksonville is a spot that he can win in. My point was more that he has been regressing for a while. This isn’t something new. With that being said, benching him for Geno is a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He had Beckham and Sterling Sheppard. The numbers weren’t all that impressive when you look at what he did on a per attempt basis. That was kind of the point. He isn’t the player that he used to be. He’s not even Taylor or Dalton at this point. He is better than Flacco but has regressed in a similar manner. For the 'we want better than a .500 QB' crew, Eli is 110-100 in his career (0.524), Tyrod's 21-18 (0.538). And it could be easily argued that Eli has benefitted from better defenses over that span than Tyrod's had backing him up. Speaking career numbers: Eli: 59.8% Completions, 238.1 Pass Yards per Game, 7.01 YPA, 229.8 Total Yards per Game, 4.6% TD%, 3.1% INT%, 83.8 Passer Rating, 5.93 ANY/A TT: 61.5% Completions, 202.1 Pass Yards per Game, 7.19 YPA, 224.2 Total Yards per Game, 4.4% TD%, 1.3% INT%, 93.5 Passer Rating, 6.34 ANY/A Clearly Eli has 2 rings and is a Super Bowl MVP, but those numbers are awfully close considering one was drafted 1st overall and 1 was a 6th rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 This thread needs a poll, STAT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Pass on Eli. He would be killed behind our OL. I wouldn't want that on my conscience like Peterman is already. At least TT can run for his life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 I can't believe he was benched for Geno Smith. What the Hell is going on in New York? Is it McAdoo's hair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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