The Now Moment Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 7:37 PM, RyanC883 said: Bradford is def a possibility. Lower priced, and the rookie could either wait or end up starting if Bradford gets hurt. Expand Just seems more logical all the way around IMO. He was very good when healthy in Minnesota.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 7:37 PM, jmc12290 said: Do you think Tyrod has gotten the OL set at the line to run the 2 minute drill against KC yet? Or will it be another couple days? Expand I was just responding to the things that you were looking for. You brought up 3 things and 2 of them were false. Tyrod is not very good in the 2 minute drill, is Eli anymore? I don’t know how to find that information but I’d assume that the Bills have scored as many or more points than the Giants in the 2 minute drill. On 11/30/2017 at 7:38 PM, Air it out Fitzy said: Tyrod > Eli talk is wild. One game with your life on the line, you're picking Eli. Expand I think everyone would agree to that. Over a 16 game season Tyrod has been a superior player for almost 2 years. 1
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 7:39 PM, Kirby Jackson said: I was just responding to the things that you were looking for. You brought up 3 things and 2 of them were false. Tyrod is not very good in the 2 minute drill, is Eli anymore? I don’t know how to find that information but I’d assume that the Bills have scored as many or more points than the Giants in the 2 minute drill. Expand Well, I think you misunderstood. I meant completions to WR's and TE's. Not to Mike Tolbert for 4 yards on 3rd and 8.
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 7:37 PM, jmc12290 said: Do you think Tyrod has gotten the OL set at the line to run the 2 minute drill against KC yet? Or will it be another couple days? Expand Hey just remember..."52 is the Mike!" said Tyrod never
RyanC883 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 7:39 PM, Buffalo30 said: Just seems more logical all the way around IMO. He was very good when healthy in Minnesota. Expand I'd put Bradford over Eli also, IMO. If he is healthy, you get great play and a rookie can learn from a great QB. If not, your rookie gets to play. 1
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) On 11/30/2017 at 7:40 PM, jmc12290 said: Well, I think you misunderstood. I meant completions to WR's and TE's. Not to Mike Tolbert for 4 yards on 3rd and 8. Expand I didn’t misunderstand. You said “completed passes, attacking downfield” and I responded that Tyrod is completing a higher percentage and has more yards per attempt. He has a higher yards per completion as well. Again, what you are saying is not true. FWIW, the Bills are 12th in 3rd down % at 39.8% and the Giants are 30th at 32.2%. Edited November 30, 2017 by Kirby Jackson 1
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) On 11/30/2017 at 7:45 PM, Kirby Jackson said: I didn’t misunderstand. You said “completed passes, attacking downfield” and I responded that Tyrod is completing a higher percentage and has more yards per attempt. He has a higher yards per completion as well. Again, what you are saying is not true. FWIW, the Bills are 12th in 3rd down % at 39.8% and the Giants are 30th at 32.2%. Expand YPA doesn't mean attacking downfield. It's YPA. I'm sorry dude. If Eli and TT are both FA's next year, we know who will be more highly sought after. It's time to give up. Edited November 30, 2017 by jmc12290
Bills757 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) On 11/30/2017 at 7:29 PM, jmc12290 said: Eli actually plays the position. Sure, he won't be scrambling for a handful of TD's anytime soon, but completed passes, attacking downfield, running a 2 minute drill? Sign me up please. Expand Unless Eli can magically learn to complete passes from his back, it won't matter. I laugh at you people thinking a pocket passer with no wheels can step in and instantly make this team better (assuming the same Oline is protecting the QB). Peterman's inexperience aside, the dude was a statue and he got planted into the LA turf more times than I could count. Edited November 30, 2017 by Bills757
Alphadawg7 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 7:17 PM, njbuff said: I say do it the right way and bring in Eli and draft a first round QB. Let that first round QB sit for two years. And by all heck, get Eli an OL here. The Bills will have the draft capital and salary cap space to do so. Might be too much to ask as I really don't know if Eli has anything left in the tank and if he does he is certainly a better QB than Taylor. Also, I don't know if any 2018 QB's drafted can start right away. How far fetched is this idea?????? Or is it even possible? Expand While theoretically its not a terrible idea to bring a vet in who can start while our first round rookie sits and grooms. Actually, its a great idea...except for the part where you added Eli into the Vet spot. Not that I would be against Eli as the Vet, honestly its not like better Vets will be readily available unless you are gonna open the vault for a guy like Cousins (which I think would be a mistake). Its more about what it will cost to get Eli...which I still think won't be cheap because I can see teams like AZ, Den, and Jax willing to shell out bigger money to make a run next year who have weapons on offense, and good defenses to surround him with to make a push for a title run if they can get better QB play. AZ, maybe not as much as they may still run with Palmer one more year and I don't know they are much different, but I am not convinced Palmer doesn't retire either after yet another injury. Personally, I look at the Jets and see a guy like McCown holding down the gig in a solid fashion (they just don't have any good QB's behind him to develop). I would rather go with a low price choice like that, even say TT again (although I think that ship has sailed after they benched him) and look to maybe get the rookie in there around mis season. Eli is the kind of Vet you bring in to make a push next year, and just don't see him having enough to really help us make a push...so lets go get cheap vet who can hopefully keep the rookie on the bench part of the season to learn a little more before taking over. Or if the rookie out plays him in preseason can be a solid backup behind our new rookie.
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 7:57 PM, Bills757 said: Unless Eli can magically learn to complete passes from his back, it won't matter. I laugh at you people thinking a pocket passer with no wheels can step in and instantly make this team better. Peterman's inexperience aside, the dude was a statue and he got planted into the LA turf more times than I could count. Expand You can't count pretty high then.
YoloinOhio Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 Maybe. Can Eli still play? He seems bad.
Bills757 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 7:58 PM, jmc12290 said: You can't count pretty high then. Expand Haha. How about TOO MANY times? That better? Be careful what you wish for because if Eli came to Buffalo and we had the same Oline, he'll get crushed. Then you'll get the sour puss attitude he's so famous for and that'll be that.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 7:55 PM, jmc12290 said: YPA doesn't mean attacking downfield. It's YPA. I'm sorry dude. If Eli and TT are both FA's next year, we know who will be more highly sought after. It's time to give up. Expand So you are ignoring yards per attempt and yards per completion? You argument is based on what then, a feeling you have?!? Don’t let facts distort your perception. 1
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 8:01 PM, Kirby Jackson said: So you are ignoring yards per attempt and yards per completion? You argument is based on what then, a feeling you have?!? Don’t let facts distort your perception. Expand Watching the players. I personally do not care that TT has a smidge higher YPA or completion percentage compared to 2017 Eli on a tanking team. Eli had 6 game winning drives last year and won 11 games on his way to the postseason. I'll take him over Tyrod's 6th alternate ProBowl appearance.
Bills757 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 If we were to bring a Manning in to be the Bills' QB, I'd take Peyton over Eli....even now. Peyton's one of the best all-time and is a team leader....Eli? Not so much.
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 8:01 PM, Bills757 said: Haha. How about TOO MANY times? That better? Be careful what you wish for because if Eli came to Buffalo and we had the same Oline, he'll get crushed. Then you'll get the sour puss attitude he's so famous for and that'll be that. Expand He's famous for being a 2 time SuperBowl MVP. A couple draws and screens to Shady, and some deep balls and the defenses will back right off. Sign me up!
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) On 11/30/2017 at 8:04 PM, jmc12290 said: Watching the players. I personally do not care that TT has a smidge higher YPA or completion percentage compared to 2017 Eli on a tanking team. Eli had 6 game winning drives last year and won 11 games on his way to the postseason. I'll take him over Tyrod's 6th alternate ProBowl appearance. Expand It’s fine that you would take Eli over Tyrod. It’s not fine to base that on “completing passes or attacking downfield.” The “eye test” from message board posters isn’t going to win many debates. Edited November 30, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
Bills757 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 8:04 PM, jmc12290 said: Watching the players. I personally do not care that TT has a smidge higher YPA or completion percentage compared to 2017 Eli on a tanking team. Eli had 6 game winning drives last year and won 11 games on his way to the postseason. I'll take him over Tyrod's 6th alternate ProBowl appearance. Expand Again, unless Eli can accomplish such feats with the Bills' Oline, your statement is moot. On 11/30/2017 at 8:05 PM, jmc12290 said: He's famous for being a 2 time SuperBowl MVP. A couple draws and screens to Shady, and some deep balls and the defenses will back right off. Sign me up! Expand Soooo, who's he gonna throw the deep balls to, and, how is he going to have time to wait for the WR to run that far to throw a deep ball?
SaviorPeterman Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 Despite the outrage over his benching, Manning is pretty much finished. We need to stick with NP as the starter heading into 2018 and double down on drafting another QB to compete with him. 1
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 8:09 PM, SaviorPeterman said: Despite the outrage over his benching, Manning is pretty much finished. We need to stick with NP as the starter heading into 2018 and double down on drafting another QB to compete with him. Expand NP might not be on the roster!! We are looking at a 1st round QB and a stopgap vet (maybe Bridgewater). I think that we have a new OC too. I’d say it’s roughly 70/30 that he’s on the team.
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