49ers are the trade target

[Wayne Arnold]

What's up with the Rosen love? 36th in the nation in passer rating. Questionable character. Hasn't been able to lift his team.

 

There's more to quarterbacking than a strong arm.

[C.Biscuit97]

34 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

I'm willing to bet against your last sentence.

 

If the Bills are smart they sign Bridgewater in free agency and choose a QB in the first.

I'm not a Tyrod fan at all but your plan is to sign a mich worse armed, less mobile version of Taylor for a good chuck of money?

4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

What's up with the Rosen love? 36th in the nation in passer rating. Questionable character. Hasn't been able to lift his team.

 

There's more to quarterbacking than a strong arm.

You sound like someone who just looks at box scores.  Rosen is stud who plays with one of the worst defenses in the country for a terrible coach, who's already been fired.  Any other qb and UCLA is a 1 or 2 win team. 

 

And what hat is this questionable character BS?  That he wears a F Trump hat?  That should move him up draft boards because he's not a moron.

[The Frankish Reich]

7 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

What's up with the Rosen love? 36th in the nation in passer rating. Questionable character. Hasn't been able to lift his team.

 

There's more to quarterbacking than a strong arm.

I always wonder where people get these ideas.  I've never seen any serious negative stories about Rosen. Here's all I can find:

- put an inflatable "hot tub" in his dorm room and had to remove it

- (one that really needs a photo): rearranged a neighbor's lawn ornaments into sexually suggestive positions (?)

-  wore a [Blank]... Trump" ballcap

And is an economics (not "recreation management" or something) major.

Somehow "questionable character" becomes a theme, just like "character guy" does when the shoe is on the other foot. And all we know is that someone used that term before in relation to an athlete. 

[Chadwick Bay Chad]

Josh Allen is the only one worth drafting.  Sam Darnold will fail like all the other usc qbs. The only usc that had mild success was Pat Haden.  

Josh Rosen is a California dude and won’t make it the cold

Mayfield is a punk 

[Wayne Arnold]

23 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I'm not a Tyrod fan at all but your plan is to sign a mich worse armed, less mobile version of Taylor for a good chuck of money?

 

Bridgewater is nothing like Tyrod. Unlike Taylor, he's actually a true pocket passer.

 

I'm curious - what makes you think he's a version of Taylor?

[Chadwick Bay Chad]

Mayfield is a punk 

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, Dunkirk Don said:

Josh Allen is the only one worth drafting.  Sam Darnold will fail like all the other usc qbs. The only usc that had mild success was Pat Haden.  

Josh Rosen is a California dude and won’t make it the cold

Mayfield is a punk 

Carson Palmer??? Rodney Peete? They’ve had a few decent to good NFL QBs.

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Bridgewater is nothing like Tyrod. Unlike Taylor, he's actually a true pocket passer.

 

I'm curious - what makes you think he's a version of Taylor?

 

I don’t think he’s like Tyrod, his ability to go deep is a big concern though. I don’t mind your plan, sign him and draft someone in the 1st to sit behind him until Bridgewater loses the job. The more I think about it the more I like it actually because it means we don’t have to trade up for a QB. Dennison has to go one way or another though.

[Wayne Arnold]

19 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I always wonder where people get these ideas.  I've never seen any serious negative stories about Rosen. Here's all I can find:

- put an inflatable "hot tub" in his dorm room and had to remove it

- (one that really needs a photo): rearranged a neighbor's lawn ornaments into sexually suggestive positions (?)

-  wore a [Blank]... Trump" ballcap

And is an economics (not "recreation management" or something) major.

Somehow "questionable character" becomes a theme, just like "character guy" does when the shoe is on the other foot. And all we know is that someone used that term before in relation to an athlete. 

 

http://thebiglead.com/2017/05/04/nfl-scout-and-executive-on-josh-rosen-tons-of-issues-and-a-mess-off-the-field/

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Bridgewater is nothing like Tyrod. Unlike Taylor, he's actually a true pocket passer.

 

I'm curious - what makes you think he's a version of Taylor?

I’m not going to speak for C Biscuit but he is a game manager. He is risk averse without the playmaking ability. He looked a lot like a lesser version of Taylor when he played. Add a devastating injury to a guy with an injury history and that’s what you have.

 

Bridgewater is a great kid and story. He has a chance still but has to get on the field to prove it. He’s not getting a starting job until then. 

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don’t think he’s like Tyrod, his ability to go deep is a big concern though. I don’t mind your plan, sign him and draft someone in the 1st to sit behind him until Bridgewater loses the job. The more I think about it the more I like it actually because it means we don’t have to trade up for a QB. Dennison has to go one way or another though.

I kind of like it too as I think about it. I like Teddy. 

[Wayne Arnold]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m not going to speak for C Biscuit but he is a game manager. He is risk averse without the playmaking ability. He looked a lot like a lesser version of Taylor when he played. Add a devastating injury to a guy with an injury history and that’s what you have.

 

Bridgewater is a great kid and story. He has a chance still but has to get on the field to prove it. He’s not getting a starting job until then. 

 

He can read defenses and make anticipation throws. That's good enough for me. Let him battle it out against the first round pick under a new (hopefully upgraded) offensive coordinator.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

He can read defenses and make anticipation throws. That's good enough for me. Let him battle it out against the first round pick under a new (hopefully upgraded) offensive coordinator.

I’m cool with that plan.

[C.Biscuit97]

4 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Rosen stinks.  He has this weird ball-patting technique which he compounds by staring down his receivers.

 

Baker Mayfield or bust for me folks.

I'll give you credit for having an opinion that literally no NFL executive would have. That said, the Bears traded up to draft Mitchell instead of just taking Watson.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Rosen will come out for sure. The question is will Darnold come out? We really need him too because both those guys will go 1 and 2. Cleveland has to draft one of them #1 overall. That leaves whoever they don't draft available at #2 hopefully where the 49ers will be picking.

 

I like other QBs in the first like Mayfield and Jackson but we can likely trade up to only 5-10 range to get one of them. There are so many teams this year in need of QB's due to age of their current one or just not having one at all, that I could easily see 5 going in the first 12 picks if Darnold comes out.

17 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Bridgewater is nothing like Tyrod. Unlike Taylor, he's actually a true pocket passer.

 

I'm curious - what makes you think he's a version of Taylor?

I've never understood the Bridgewater hype. Very mediocre season before his injury. Somehow the injury inflated his actual value and importance. He came out the same year as Carr but Carr looks like a much better QB to me. Not sure Bridgewater can reach the ceiling that a guy like Carr could.

 

And with our offensive line Bridgewater would get killed. Not real mobile and and he has a really thin build.

[The Frankish Reich]

28 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

http://thebiglead.com/2017/05/04/nfl-scout-and-executive-on-josh-rosen-tons-of-issues-and-a-mess-off-the-field/

That's exactly the article I saw when I googled "Josh Rosen character" - and I'm mightily unimpressed.  A "mess off the field" because ... what? Some unnamed source, and even the website says, "It’s always difficult to assess the validity of these claims without knowing what they are based on or the availability of any specifics." 

I get that "character" stuff is a huge deal for NFL teams now, but it's really got to be based on more than this. If "the big lead" doesn't have anything specific to point to, they really shouldn't be publishing this at all.

[SectionC3]

5 hours ago, Tatonka68 said:

When the 49ers traded for Jimmy G, they became are number one target to trade up in the NFL Draft to get a NFL QB. The 49ers should be drafting 2nd to 4th and the Bills two picks in the teens and twenties. Who would you draft and what are you willing to give up?

 

 

Agreed.  I started a thread awhile ago on how Kirk Cousins is the key to things for us.   I still think that's the case.  I wouldn't be surprised to see the 49ers attempt to flip Garrapolo for Cousins (and for Washington to bite on it) this offseason, thereby freeing the 49ers to (at least attempt to) trade their top pick for a haul of draft picks that will expedite their rebuilding process.  If only we stumbled into a quarterback that allowed us to use this year's bevy of picks to replenish the roster . . . . 

[jrober38]

2 hours ago, yungmack said:

You see no red flags with a 5' 11'' QB who exhibits some Ryan Leaf-like characteristics? 

 

I couldn't care less about how tall he is. 

 

And I don't see Leaf comparisons. The guy seems to love football and is highly competitive. He's a great passer and he seems to make the players around him better. 

1 hour ago, Tatonka68 said:

Enough with dumpster diving for a QB already, that notion caused the last 17 years.

 

Picking a guy in the middle of the 1st round isn't dumpster diving. 

[C.Biscuit97]

55 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m not going to speak for C Biscuit but he is a game manager. He is risk averse without the playmaking ability. He looked a lot like a lesser version of Taylor when he played. Add a devastating injury to a guy with an injury history and that’s what you have.

 

Bridgewater is a great kid and story. He has a chance still but has to get on the field to prove it. He’s not getting a starting job until then. 

I kind of like it too as I think about it. I like Teddy. 

Well said. This might blow people's minds since you can only compare players of the same race, but I think Bridgewater is Chad Pennington but possibly with a worse arm.  Seems like a great kid but will leaving you wanting more as a starter.

 

at this point, what's the point of playing a vet next year? To win 6-8 games and hurt your draft status. Draft a first rounder and give him e wry shot to win the job.

[essential]

I'd like Darnold or Rosen, like most, but don't think we'll get either.

 

I don't understand people wanting Mayfield.  I like his swagger and competitive nature, but he's an outside the pocket improviser ... which is Tyrod's game, and this staff has made it clear they want a more traditional pocket guy, in my opinion.

 

I think they need to get the guy they have a conviction for, whoever that is.  If it's Rosen, they need to trade whatever it takes to get him.  If it's Rudolph and they can stay put and get him, that's even better because we get to use our other picks.

 

Either way, it needs to happen this year.  I believe this staff (McBeane) will get at least 5 years, but they needed to start their QB process last year, or this year worst case.  They absolutely can't draft their QB 3 or 4 years into their term.  They need to figure out who they love, and do what it takes to get him.

Edited November 24, 2017 by essential

[C.Biscuit97]

25 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

That's exactly the article I saw when I googled "Josh Rosen character" - and I'm mightily unimpressed.  A "mess off the field" because ... what? Some unnamed source, and even the website says, "It’s always difficult to assess the validity of these claims without knowing what they are based on or the availability of any specifics." 

I get that "character" stuff is a huge deal for NFL teams now, but it's really got to be based on more than this. If "the big lead" doesn't have anything specific to point to, they really shouldn't be publishing this at all.

Agreed. People are reaching for character stuff with Rosen.  But wearing a hat and calling out the corrupt NCAA is way worse than breaking a girl's face.  If Rosen kneeled, he'd be undraftable!!!