Peterman was historically bad on Sunday

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Woods is doing more than he was here, Watkins is doing less, and as a tandem they are doing almost exactly the same as they have every year of their careers together. Watkins never played a full season with Tyrod here, and as far as WR tandems go there are many better options. The OL was never set up to be solid in pass blocking, but scheme and Tyrod's escapability masked that. Despite that, we had a top 10 offense 2 years running. That doesn't happen with a QB who isn't good enough to start.

Give me a QB who can sling it for 300 yards over a QB who can rush for 100. Sorry I judge a QB in his ability to throw the ball which Tyrod struggles with. I mean it was nice he found a new RB to dump off to in Cadet this weekend but he still can't consistently throw to a spot downfield and let his WR make a play on the ball. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

7 minutes ago, JPP said:

come on shady your better than this....we are microscoping the game this past weekend....potato..pot.a.t.o.......sure a fumble brought back for a TD.....but my PTSD regarding this game is the 5 picks....i believe one of them a pick 6 no?  

Sorry ? 

i just answered the question 

Does this mean they cancel each other out? 

 

 

[JPP]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

Sorry ? 

i just answered the question 

i know....at this point i really dont care who is QBing.....this team is gonna be mash game in and game out until our coaches figure out the defence and the offensive line.....it boggling to me that it seems they havent done anything but showcase the same garbage the last 3 games........i would bet that if were to play the browns this weekend (no matter who is under centre!) they would have their first win of the season........all i want to hear tomorrow at the presser is that dennison is canned!  than i would have a tiny bit of hope renewed.....but fat chance!

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

Give me a QB who can sling it for 300 yards over a QB who can rush for 100. Sorry I judge a QB in his ability to throw the ball which Tyrod struggles with. I mean it was nice he found a new RB to dump off to in Cadet this weekend but he still can't consistently throw to a spot downfield and let his WR make a play on the ball. 

We're going to have to agree to disagree here. Passing yards are a function of attempts. In 2015 he was 24th in attempts, 23rd in yards, 2016 he was 25th and 25th, this year he's 24th and 24th. Maybe when Passing Yards become correlated with winning you'll have a valid point though. For now I'll stick with DVOA, ANY/A, and Scoring Offense.

 

I appreciate you having an appropriate name though.

[3rdand12]

8 minutes ago, JPP said:

i know....at this point i really dont care who is QBing.....this team is gonna be mash game in and game out until our coaches figure out the defence and the offensive line.....it boggling to me that it seems they havent done anything but showcase the same garbage the last 3 games........i would bet that if were to play the browns this weekend (no matter who is under centre!) they would have their first win of the season........all i want to hear tomorrow at the presser is that dennison is canned!  than i would have a tiny bit of hope renewed.....but fat chance!

I expected Coaching turnover. Heck ya gotta start somewhere right McBeanes? End of season perhaps?

 But the QB move so early....

Shaky

 Plenty other areas to resolve

Edited November 22, 2017 by 3rdand12

[The Jokeman]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

We're going to have to agree to disagree here. Passing yards are a function of attempts. In 2015 he was 24th in attempts, 23rd in yards, 2016 he was 25th and 25th, this year he's 24th and 24th. Maybe when Passing Yards become correlated with winning you'll have a valid point though. For now I'll stick with DVOA, ANY/A, and Scoring Offense.

 

I appreciate you having an appropriate name though.

You too since it's obvious you're a Tyrod backer through and through. Have you ever considered part of the reason Tyrod's pass attempts are less because he elects not to throw a ball? I mean he loves the double clutch or his athleticism allows him to run meanwhile guys like Brady, Brees and Manning had to learn to read defenses and beat them with their arms? Again I don't blame Tyrod for being what he is but the fact is because he is a great athlete I don't think he ever developed the skills to be a complete QB when it comes to passing the ball plain and simple. 

Edited November 22, 2017 by The Jokeman

[KD in CA]

30 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

This point simply defies logic. He's going to be a starter for a while. He's easily been in the top 15-20 QBs, or higher depending who you talk to, every year with a less than stellar supporting cast.

 

McDermott can try whatever he wants, but all he did Sunday was demonstrate all the deficiencies on O that Tyrod helps mask.

 

I like VT, but you have a serious case of homerism going on here.

 

Top 15-20 QB?  Eh...maybe 20.  But either way, that doesn't get you in playoffs.  (I know, I know, all we need is a great OL, great RBs, top defense, WRs etc., etc.).

[Wily Dog]

3 Game losing streak. Tyrod QB  for 2. Nate for 1. I believe we have other problems on the team. I believe that Brady would hang them up up if he had to play under the circumstances our QB's play under. Here's hoping !

[JPP]

3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

I expected Coaching turnover. Heck ya gotta start somewhere right McBeanes? End of season perhaps?

 But the QB move so early....

Shaky

 Plenty other areas to resolve

it will be interesting how this plays out for the rest of the season.......this season is so much a soap opera just without the Rex Ryan banter!  I think the bunsin burners under the coaches arse's are gonna start to get real hot if they continue to stink it up like this!  A loss is a loss i get it but the teams that beaten us have broken some of their own team records!

[BobDVA]

54 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Doesn’t anyone know how to use the search function?

 

 

why you asking us, look it up yourself.

[BuffaloHokie13]

3 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

I like VT, but you have a serious case of homerism going on here.

 

Top 15-20 QB?  Eh...maybe 20.  But either way, that doesn't get you in playoffs.  (I know, I know, all we need is a great OL, great RBs, top defense, WRs etc., etc.).

It's honestly incredible how silly these takes get.

Passer Rating:

2015  - 8th

2016 - 18th

2017 - 14th
ANY/A:

2015 - 9th

2016 - 18th

2017 - 21st

DVOA:

2015 - 8th

2016 - 19th

2017 - 18th

TD%:
2015 - 16th

2016 - 16th

2017 - 20th

TD/TO:

2015 - 2nd

2016 - 7th

2017 - T-3rd

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

It's honestly incredible how silly these takes get.

Passer Rating:

2015  - 8th

2016 - 18th

2017 - 14th
ANY/A:

2015 - 9th

2016 - 18th

2017 - 21st

DVOA:

2015 - 8th

2016 - 19th

2017 - 18th

TD%:
2015 - 16th

2016 - 16th

2017 - 20th

TD/TO:

2015 - 2nd

2016 - 7th

2017 - T-3rd

More fun with stats

 

TDs passing

2015 -20th

2016 -26th

2017- 24th

 

Passing yards

2015-23rd

2016-25th

2017-24th

 

Sacks %

2015 -32nd

2016 -29th

2017 -32nd

 

4th Quarter Come backs

2015 -27th

2016 -26th

2017 -18th

 

[JM2009]

7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

More fun with stats

 

TDs passing

2015 -20th

2016 -26th

2017- 24th

 

Passing yards

2015-23rd

2016-25th

2017-24th

 

Sacks %

2015 -32nd

2016 -29th

2017 -32nd

 

4th Quarter Come backs

2015 -27th

2016 -26th

2017 -18th

 

His rushing ability and rushing TDs count too. And not turning the ball over. If you think the Bills would have got a 20-18 record since 2015 from any other QB on this roster, you're fooling yourself.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Touché 

35 minutes ago, BobDVA said:

why you asking us, look it up yourself.

 

[The Jokeman]

Just now, JM2009 said:

His rushing ability and rushing TDs count too. And not turning the ball over. If you think the Bills would have got a 20-18 record since 2015 from any other QB on this roster, you're fooling yourself.

His rushing abilities take away from his passing ability and to me a QBs job is to pass the ball first and foremost, again we've seen it time and time again even as good as he's done with his legs when Tyrod has to make a throw to win the game he rarely does it PERIOD. And I won't argue that any other QB on this roster is better than Tyrod now but what I am arguing is Tyrod is a bottom tier NFL starter. 

[JM2009]

4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

His rushing abilities take away from his passing ability and to me a QBs job is to pass the ball first and foremost, again we've seen it time and time again even as good as he's done with his legs when Tyrod has to make a throw to win the game he rarely does it PERIOD. And I won't argue that any other QB on this roster is better than Tyrod now but what I am arguing is Tyrod is a bottom tier NFL starter. 

He's around 20th or so. You play to the QBs strengths. He has unique abilities. Last two seasons the offense put up a lot of points.

[Jmonte35]

I actually like a lot of what I saw of him.  The mistakes he made are very fixable.  He was accurate and his timing was right. He just has to learn how to protect the ball and when to take a sack.  My only issue is I didn't see much zip on the ball.  I'd like to see more. We've seen what we have in Taylor.  I'm not going to give up on Peterman yet.  But the timing of the move and the opponent and the way our Oline is playing really set this kid up for failure.  I still think if he's a warrior this will only improve him. And as for Tyrod. This was a warning shot.  When the game is on the line winners want the ball and they take risks. This guy takes none. Yippee his turnover ratio is soooo great.   Means nothing without W's.  

[JM2009]

2 minutes ago, Jmonte35 said:

I actually like a lot of what I saw of him.  The mistakes he made are very fixable.  He was accurate and his timing was right. He just has to learn how to protect the ball and when to take a sack.  My only issue is I didn't see much zip on the ball.  I'd like to see more. We've seen what we have in Taylor.  I'm not going to give up on Peterman yet.  But the timing of the move and the opponent and the way our Oline is playing really set this kid up for failure.  I still think if he's a warrior this will only improve him. And as for Tyrod. This was a warning shot.  When the game is on the line winners want the ball and they take risks. This guy takes none. Yippee his turnover ratio is soooo great.   Means nothing without W's.  

20 wins out of 38 games isn't terrible. Esp with an average at best roster. Anyone that likes what they saw Sunday is looking at something else other than this game. 

Edited November 22, 2017 by JM2009

[BuffaloHokie13]

4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

More fun with stats

 

TDs passing

Passing yards

Sacks %

4th Quarter Come backs

Passer Rating:

2015 - 7 of the top 10 made the playoffs

2016 - 5 of the top 10 made the playoffs

ANY/A:

2015 - 7 of the top 10 made the playoffs

2016 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs

DVOA:

2015 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs

2016 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs

TD%:
2015 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs

2016 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs

TD/TO:

2015 - 8 of the top 10 made the playoffs

2016 - 7 of the top 10 made the playoffs

------------------------------------------------------------------

TDs passing

2015 - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs

2016 - 5 of the top 10 made the playoffs

Passing yards

2015 - 3 of the top 10 made the playoffs

2016 - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs

Sacks %

2015  - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs

2016 - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs

4th Quarter Come backs

2015 - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs

2016 - 7 of the top 10 made the playoffs

 

You can draw your own conclusions on which stats actually relate to winning QB play.

[The Jokeman]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Passer Rating:

2015 - 7 of the top 10 made the playoffs

2016 - 5 of the top 10 made the playoffs

ANY/A:

2015 - 7 of the top 10 made the playoffs

2016 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs

DVOA:

2015 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs

2016 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs

TD%:
2015 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs

2016 - 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs

TD/TO:

2015 - 8 of the top 10 made the playoffs

2016 - 7 of the top 10 made the playoffs

------------------------------------------------------------------

TDs passing

2015 - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs

2016 - 5 of the top 10 made the playoffs

Passing yards

2015 - 3 of the top 10 made the playoffs

2016 - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs

Sacks %

2015  - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs

2016 - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs

4th Quarter Come backs

2015 - 4 of the top 10 made the playoffs

2016 - 7 of the top 10 made the playoffs

 

You can draw your own conclusions on which stats actually relate to winning QB play.

Or trust my eyes when I watch Tyrod every week and see he just have "it". As he's got part of the RJ syndrome that he doesn't want to make mistakes with the football so he'll take a sack or he'll be Trent Edwards like and check it down to the open RB or do a Flutie thing and run around and not find anyone open and run.  Not to mention the EJ Manuel thing and not throw to a guy unless he's open. He might be better than each of those QB individually but he still doesn't add up to a QB that's good enough to get you over the hump. As his liabilities with 3 and outs doesn't "flip the field" and doesn't always help the defense either. 

Edited November 22, 2017 by The Jokeman

[BuffaloHokie13]

18 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Or trust my eyes when I watch Tyrod every week and see he just have "it". As he's got part of the RJ syndrome that he doesn't want to make mistakes with the football so he'll take a sack or he'll be Trent Edwards like and check it down to the open RB or do a Flutie thing and run around and not find anyone open and run.  Not to mention the EJ Manuel thing and not throw to a guy unless he's open. He might be better than each of those QB individually but he still doesn't add up to a QB that's good enough to get you over the hump. As his liabilities with 3 and outs doesn't "flip the field" and doesn't always help the defense either. 

He faced the 3rd most average yards to go on 3rd down in the league and was still 9th in conversion rate. People love to see what they want though.

 

And before we get the captain checkdown canned response

 

Edited November 22, 2017 by BuffaloHokie13

[The Jokeman]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

He faced the 3rd most average yards to go on 3rd down in the league and was still 9th in conversion rate. People love to see what they want though.

Why not praise Peterman? He's got a better TD % than Tyrod this year? Or he had more passing yards in that dreadful half than Tyrod had through 3 quarters against the Saints? I saw the same thing as McDermott saw, that Tyrod isn't a long term solution at QB if want to be a consistent winner instead his wins this season were padded by a defense that gave him short fields to work with and was playing lights out in the redzone in the early part of the season or had a chance to win against Carolina with a few more plays yet I know if only Zay caught that ball as easier to blame someone else like the defense struggled. Tyrod couldn't carry the team on his back but I know we shouldn't hold him to the same regard as say a Tom Brady whose defense was playing horrible at the start of the season yet the Patriots still found ways to out score their opponents because lord knows they have so many better receiving options than Tyrod has. Let's be happy instead that we have the best rushing QB the last three seasons in the NFL cuz that what counts not passing the ball. 

Edited November 22, 2017 by The Jokeman

[Billzgobowlin]

2 hours ago, LA Grant said:

I'm still so angry at the coaching staff for the ridiculous move at QB. This doesn't help, exactly, but it does put it into perspective. We have gone from "the Bills are in great shape to make the playoffs" to "we are in deep, deep s#it" so fast, my head is still spinning.

 

Per Deadspin:

 

• No quarterback had thrown five interceptions in the first half since before the NFL-AFL merger.
• No team had thrown five interceptions in the first half since the Steelers did it in 1973.
• Peterman’s five picks came on 14 pass attempts, one shy of the record set in 1973 by Archie Manning.
• No quarterback had thrown five interceptions in his first career start since Keith Null in 2009 for the Rams, and I swear to god I have zero memory of Keith Null existing.
• No quarterback had thrown three picks in the first quarter since Geno Smith did it in 2014.

 

Full article here: https://deadspin.com/nathan-peterman-was-a-very-avoidable-disaster-1820604593

 

 

I swear if we go back to Tyrod and don't at least try to replace Mills we will see the same thing again on Sunday.  Let's not pretend that Peterman caused all the problems on Sunday.

[JM2009]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

Why not praise Peterman? He's got a better TD % than Tyrod this year? Or he had more passing yards in that dreadful half than Tyrod had through 3 quarters against the Saints? I saw the same thing as McDermott saw, that Tyrod isn't a long term solution at QB if want to be a consistent winner instead his wins this season were padded by a defense that gave him short fields to work with and was playing lights out in the redzone in the early part of the season or had a chance to win against Carolina with a few more plays yet I know if only Zay caught that ball as easier to blame someone else like the defense struggled with Tyrod couldn't carry the team on his back but I know we shouldn't hold him to the same regard as say a Tom Brady whose defense was playing horrible at the start of the season yet the Patriots still found ways to out score their opponents because lord knows they have so many better receiving options than Tyrod has. 

And again, the defense was the main problem the last two seasons and TT went 15-14. This whole post is pretty bad.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I swear if we go back to Tyrod and don't at least try to replace Mills we will see the same thing again on Sunday.  Let's not pretend that Peterman caused all the problems on Sunday.

 

People need to look back another game. It is as well made Tyrod sit cause O-Line sucks with Dennison play calling. Remember everyone even Tyrod got killed game before.. Not telling but I agree with you're post.

[The Jokeman]

12 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

He faced the 3rd most average yards to go on 3rd down in the league and was still 9th in conversion rate. People love to see what they want though.

 

And before we get the captain checkdown canned response

 

Last I checked 40.2 is lower than 40.7 so that makes Tyrod below average yes? and 33 rushing first downs over what 40 games let's give Tyrod a medal because he rushes for less than 1 first down per game. Face it his a liability in the passing game no matter how many stats you want to throw at it. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

10 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Why not praise Peterman? He's got a better TD % than Tyrod this year? Or he had more passing yards in that dreadful half than Tyrod had through 3 quarters against the Saints? I saw the same thing as McDermott saw, that Tyrod isn't a long term solution at QB if want to be a consistent winner instead his wins this season were padded by a defense that gave him short fields to work with and was playing lights out in the redzone in the early part of the season or had a chance to win against Carolina with a few more plays yet I know if only Zay caught that ball as easier to blame someone else like the defense struggled. Tyrod couldn't carry the team on his back but I know we shouldn't hold him to the same regard as say a Tom Brady whose defense was playing horrible at the start of the season yet the Patriots still found ways to out score their opponents because lord knows they have so many better receiving options than Tyrod has. Let's be happy instead that we have the best rushing QB the last three seasons in the NFL cuz that what counts not passing the ball. 

Peterman's TD% is 3.70 (1 TD scored on 27 Attempts). Tyrod's is 3.84 (14 TDs on 365 Attempts). Peterman's YPA is 6.04. Tyrod's is 6.60.

4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Last I checked 40.2 is lower than 40.7 so that makes Tyrod below average yes? and 33 rushing first downs over what 40 games let's give Tyrod a medal because he rushes for less than 1 first down per game. Face it his a liability in the passing game no matter how many stats you want to throw at it. 

Yes, it's slightly below league average. I'm not the one that needs to face facts here though Mr. I prefer my perception to reality.

[boyst]

2 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Really? So it's Dennison's fault that Tyrod hasn't lead the team to a TD in the first quarter this season? Or that he has only thrown for one 300 yard passing game in his career as a starter? Tyrod is what he is which is an above average backup and great athlete see a slightly better version of Michael Vick but neither one of them were great NFL QBs. 

No. I was being literal. Dennison is the one who benched Peterman

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Dennison is the reason that Taylor was benched. Not McDermott. Dennison wanted Taylor benched.

And, as stated before; Peterman has looked like **** in his practices going back all the way to camp.

 

This was a mind bottling move and a huge indictment on the poor leadership of McDermott

 

 

I believe he lost the team Sunday 

 

Jeff, can you go into this more?  Why are you so confident of that?

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Peterman's TD% is 3.70 (1 TD scored on 27 Attempts). Tyrod's is 3.84 (14 TDs on 365 Attempts). Peterman's YPA is 6.04. Tyrod's is 6.60.

Yes, it's slightly below league average. I'm not the one that needs to face facts here though Mr. I prefer my perception to reality.

Hmm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PeteNa00.htm shows Nate at 4.2% and https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylTy00.htm Tyrod at 3.9%. 

[boyst]

2 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Why would trusting his assistant coach be an indictment on the poor leadership of McDermott?

Because a bunch of people who saw enough of Peterman said he was not worth starting. Why didn't McDermott not recognize this?  What on earth did he see to think he was worth starting even if Dennison did? 

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, Boyst62 said:

No. I was being literal. Dennison is the one who benched Peterman

and rightly so Peterman should have been benched. 

1 minute ago, Boyst62 said:

Because a bunch of people who saw enough of Peterman said he was not worth starting. Why didn't McDermott not recognize this?  What on earth did he see to think he was worth starting even if Dennison did? 

I think what McDermott sees is that Tyrod not the long term answer at QB so he's giving the next man up a chance to see if he can be, now he failed that test this weekend but should we run a QB out of town after one game? 

[PrimeTime101]

Oh Gee another QB topic..

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

Hmm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PeteNa00.htm shows Nate at 4.2% and https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylTy00.htm Tyrod at 3.9%. 

Imagine that, you're looking at passing TD % and I'm looking at TD%. Yes Nate's percentage does go up when you omit sacks and rush attempts and Tyrod's stays roughly the same. Do we want to talk about Turnover % while we're at it?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I swear if we go back to Tyrod and don't at least try to replace Mills we will see the same thing again on Sunday.  Let's not pretend that Peterman caused all the problems on Sunday.

 

The porous OL against the very strong LAC pass rush and pass D didnt do Peterman any favors (any more than NO did the previous week).

The good news is KC's run D and pass D are down in the bottom third of the league - they're missing a bunch of their best D players - so it's possible our OL might cope.

5 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

Because a bunch of people who saw enough of Peterman said he was not worth starting. Why didn't McDermott not recognize this?  What on earth did he see to think he was worth starting even if Dennison did? 

 

Who saw Peterman (on the Bills) and said he was not worth starting?

 

I was under-impressed in pre-season, but it was possible he improved.

[The Jokeman]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Imagine that, you're looking at passing TD % and I'm looking at TD%. Yes Nate's percentage does go up when you omit sacks and rush attempts and Tyrod's stays roughly the same. Do we want to talk about Turnover % while we're at it?

So basically you need to pad Tyrod's numbers with his rushing stats. Yet as a passer the seven year veteran is as good as the rookie with less than 3 quarters under his belt?  Bring as many stats as you want I'm not debating that Nate's better than Tyrod, again I'm pointing out that Tyrod's not good enough and if Nate doesn't show marked improvement (assuming he starts again) I'll gladly say he's not good enough. Infact you ask me today who should be the Bills QB next year my answer is Josh Rosen or Mason Rudolph.

Edited November 22, 2017 by The Jokeman

[BillsMedia]

Peterman got voted AFC Defensive Player of the Week. Hows that for a ROOKIE!

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The porous OL against the very strong LAC pass rush and pass D didnt do Peterman any favors (any more than NO did the previous week).

The good news is KC's run D and pass D are down in the bottom third of the league - they're missing a bunch of their best D players - so it's possible our OL might cope.

 

Who saw Peterman (on the Bills) and said he was not worth starting?

 

I was under-impressed in pre-season, but it was possible he improved.

 

Justin Houston elite pass rusher might wreck havoc on our O-Line.  I just don't trust this O-Line with any team out there.. Looks very horrible. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

Justin Houston elite pass rusher might wreck havoc on our O-Line.  I just don't trust this O-Line with any team out there.. Looks very horrible. 

I'm worried about Peters, but maybe we can avoid his side of the field.

6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Bring as many stats as you want I'm not debating that Nate's better than Tyrod, again I'm pointing out that Tyrod's not good enough and if Nate doesn't show marked improvement (assuming he starts again) I'll gladly say he's not good enough. Infact you ask me today who should be the Bills QB next year my answer is Josh Rosen or Mason Rudolph.

Right, because that isn't a debate worth having. And again, I'm sorry that your perception doesn't align with reality.

Edited November 22, 2017 by BuffaloHokie13

[The Jokeman]

Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I'm worried about Peters, but maybe we can avoid his side of the field.

Right, because that isn't a debate worth having. And again, I'm sorry that you perception doesn't align with reality.

The reality is Tyrod got benched because apparently I perceived the same thing as our HC did which is Tyrod isn't good enough and won't be a Bill in 2018.