OVERCOOKED OVERREACTION

[section122]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

Yes white.  A good head on his shoulders.

 

eh its all in good fun.

 

Peterman regardless of race represented hope.  Hope that the drought was over, that the season wasn't over, that he was better than Tyrod, that we FINALLY had our answer at qb.  Some people aren't ready to admit how bad he was last week because of how much they wanted this to be true.  Seeing that ridiculously bad play doesn't compute yet.  They aren't ready to give up the hope that he maybe could be the guy and will excuse the piss poor play to keep the hope alive.

 

I'll take Skelton for Mario level mocking if I'm wrong but Nate Peterman isn't the answer for anyone and will never have a career in the NFL.  Rush judgement after 30 minutes of football but that was really really bad football.

 

Maybe my history of being wrong when I am so definitive will actually work out good for the Bills.  Please? 

[Billsfan1972]

5th round draft choices upside is a competent backup come year 3-4.  Brady was a once in a lifetime and if Bledsoe wasn't  injured may never have started an NFL game.

 

If he threw 5 ints that first game too he'd never have played again.

Edited November 21, 2017 by Billsfan1972

[Gray Beard]

Are people forgetting the week prior?  Against the Saints, Peterman moved the chains and points were scored. 

He was throwing with confidence.  He had a quick, high release.  Perhaps that is what earned him the start. 

Yes, it was in garbage time.  But maybe the coach thought the spark was real.

Tyrod has a tendency to hold the ball too long.  I'm  yelling "throw it" at the TV for just about every pass play with Tyrod. 

An experiment that failed.  Now the coach has to figure out what to do.  Admit his mistake, or double down. Which will it be?

[Billsfan1972]

4 minutes ago, Gray Beard said:

Are people forgetting the week prior?  Against the Saints, Peterman moved the chains and points were scored. 

He was throwing with confidence.  He had a quick, high release.  Perhaps that is what earned him the start. 

Yes, it was in garbage time.  But maybe the coach thought the spark was real.

Tyrod has a tendency to hold the ball too long.  I'm  yelling "throw it" at the TV for just about every pass play with Tyrod. 

An experiment that failed.  Now the coach has to figure out what to do.  Admit his mistake, or double down. Which will it be?

Please please stop it.......  How about the three and out with an almost int?

[Gray Beard]

5 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Please please stop it.......  How about the three and out with an almost int?

I'm not saying that Peterman should start again.  I was willing to go along with the experiment, and hopefully that's all it was.

I also don't think Tyrod playing the whole game would have made enough of a difference for the Bills to beat the Chargers.

His starting debut reminded me of Brian Brohm, and he disappeared right after that fiasco.

I'm just saying that he didn't foreshadow the meltdown in his limited experience in garbage time.

I also said in several threads that I was concerned that a hard sack would rattle him to the point that he falls apart.  That fear was real.

[Billsfan1972]

16 minutes ago, Gray Beard said:

I'm not saying that Peterman should start again.  I was willing to go along with the experiment, and hopefully that's all it was.

I also don't think Tyrod playing the whole game would have made enough of a difference for the Bills to beat the Chargers.

His starting debut reminded me of Brian Brohm, and he disappeared right after that fiasco.

I'm just saying that he didn't foreshadow the meltdown in his limited experience in garbage time.

I also said in several threads that I was concerned that a hard sack would rattle him to the point that he falls apart.  That fear was real.

You don't do that to a rookie 5th round pick.....  Unfair to him, his teammates and the fans.

 

And if McDermott doubles down in KC, it will be a carnage.

 

 

Edited November 21, 2017 by Billsfan1972

[LABILLBACKER]

I don't ever want to see DiMarco or Tolbert ever again. If you want to look up the term "garbage time", see these 2 clowns. Peterman looked great to start and then DiMarco made a perfect set to their player. He could have a career here at Manhattan beach. Our oline should all just call it. No qb was going to succeed sunday. McD better figure out this mess real soon because this team is loaded with quitters.

4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Sorry but he DID throw up 2 volley balls off his back foot while getting hit

 

4 out of 5 are really on him because he made very poor decisions by Lolly popping the ball up

 

it was bad there is no way to spin it

1 int ALL on DiMarco Pollo

2 int's on our embarrassing Oline

2 int's on Peterman

That's the math, watch the tape.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I don't ever want to see DiMarco or Tolbert ever again. If you want to look up the term "garbage time", see these 2 clowns. Peterman looked great to start and then DiMarco made a perfect set to their player. He could have a career here at Manhattan beach. Our oline should all just call it. No qb was going to succeed sunday. McD better figure out this mess real soon because this team is loaded with quitters.

1 int ALL on DiMarco Pollo

2 int's on our embarrassing Oline

2 int's on Peterman

That's the math, watch the tape.

 

That's not how it works . Sorry

 

He threw up two lollipops under duress. That was his decision and the result were INTs.

 

Step up in the pocket and eat a sack 

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, billsfan11 said:

Did you forget to mention that the Bills defence can't stop a nose bleed?

3 new NT's and LB'S next year. Bank it.

[Jasovon]

he had 66 yards in one half of football and 5 interceptions. It was historically poor please don't spin it any other way.

[Billsfan1972]

2 minutes ago, Jasovon said:

he had 66 yards in one half of football and 5 interceptions. It was historically poor please don't spin it any other way.

More then Tyrod in 3 quarters vs. NO.......  And none of the ints were his fault.  Quit blaming him!!!!!

 

Did you see that pass to Benjamin!!!!!!

[Rocky Landing]

30 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I don't ever want to see DiMarco or Tolbert ever again. If you want to look up the term "garbage time", see these 2 clowns. Peterman looked great to start and then DiMarco made a perfect set to their player. He could have a career here at Manhattan beach. Our oline should all just call it. No qb was going to succeed sunday. McD better figure out this mess real soon because this team is loaded with quitters.

1 int ALL on DiMarco Pollo

2 int's on our embarrassing Oline

2 int's on Peterman

That's the math, watch the tape.

You have a pretty loose definition of "great."

 

You can't separate the first few minutes of the game from the ensuing meltdown that followed. And, correct me if I'm wrong: No member of the O-line threw an interception. A decent QB-- even a mediocre QB-- needs to be able to handle pressure from a breakdown in pass protection, whether that is taking a sack, escaping the pocket, or throwing the ball away. It's the same O-line Taylor has been playing with.

 

A professional QB also has to have the metal fortitude to rebound from an interception that wasn't his fault. 

[fansince88]

4 hours ago, theRalph said:

Drought psychosis is reigning supreme. Everywhere. Except at One Bills Drive. 

 

Yes, it was a disaster. But shut down your emotions for a moment and consider the facts:

 

1. Peterman went 3-3 before the first INT. Who among us, after the throw to Benjamin, did not shout “that’s the throw we’ve been looking for!!!”

 

2. Pat DiMarco should have his beard plucked out whisker by whisker for playing beach volleyball with a throw right on his hands. That 1st INT wrecked the day.

 

3. We didn’t expect it, but Peterman’s start revealed stark weaknesses on the offensive line. On 2 of the interceptions, he had pass rushers in his grill. And it certainly wasn’t because he was holding out of the ball too long.

 

4. So 3 of the 5 INTs weren’t exactly Peterman’s fault. The other two were his fault. Dak Prescott also had two very similar INTs 2 hours later, at home, vs. the Eagles.

 

 For as much as fans go on and on about the drought, they really don’t give credence to the fact that the drought has tremendous negative energy. This may sound crazy but I believe Peterman’s start actually put a dent in that energy and that energy bit back.

 

 When you arrive at this understanding, you will understand that it will be much more difficult for the bills to break the drought that it will for them to go on a run in the playoffs. 

 

Peterman starts in Kansas City, Mark my words.

 

 

Agree 100% with all you said.

42 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

That's not how it works . Sorry

 

He threw up two lollipops under duress. That was his decision and the result were INTs.

 

Step up in the pocket and eat a sack 

He was in the process of a throw on those hits. But hey, I wanted him to play. You probably saw it different.

 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

Agree 100% with all you said.

He was in the process of a throw on those hits. But hey, I wanted him to play. You probably saw it different.

 

 

I didn't mind that he played. So I don't see it any different 

 

QBs get hit all the time when throwing. Rivers did a few times. And he used his strength to complete the pass . Just throw it to the LOS incomplete 

 

the last thing you can do is lollipop it over the middle which Peterman did

[BigDingus]

4 hours ago, Xerx said:

Everyone keeps tossing that first INT on DiMarco...

 

1. It hit his hands should catch it- this applies to SKILL PLAYERS

 

2. DiMarco IS NOT a SKILL player

 

3. That was a throw that needed touch, floated ahead of, not lasered at his forhead.

 

4. We can blame Dennison for having DiMarco on the field, but you need to recognize who you are throwing the ball too as well.

 

5. That WAS NOT ALL on DiMarco...he's not paid to catch passes (thankfully)

 

If you consider that short pass a "laser" at his forehead, you're blind. Anyone playing in the freaking NFL should catch that ball. Your excuses against Peterman are worse than most of the ones covering for him.

[fansince88]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I didn't mind that he played. So I don't see it any different 

 

QBs get hit all the time when throwing. Rivers did a few times. And he used his strength to complete the pass . Just throw it to the LOS incomplete 

 

the last thing you can do is lollipop it over the middle which Peterman did

If you can go back and watch it again do it. You cant change direction of your throw mid throw. He was clobbered mid throw on his blind side. The defender was nearly untouched. These are the type of hits that get the turnovers. Simple as that. That said I hope he plays again soon. The OL HAS to step up regardless of who plays.

Edited November 22, 2017 by fansince88

[BigDingus]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

I am sure Tom Brady would do bad with Dennison and O-Line. With this swiss D as well

 

Yes it is that horrible.

We've been hearing that same line since the Bledsoe days. People called him a statue while others blamed the O-line. Then with JP Losman and Holcomb, people threw out every All-Time great saying "even they can't do anything behind that line!" Trent Edwards got the same excuses, as did EJ Manuel. "Tom Brady couldn't lead this team to a win today with a line like that!" 

Yes, our line sucks. But to say no QB's would've made a difference is also wrong. Problem is teams don't respect EITHER of our QBs' ability to throw and actually play the position. Nobody is afraid of Tyrod throwing more than a 6 yard pass at most. When he throws downfield, 90% of the time it's going to sail over the target's head, and all the rest of the times he's not even go see the open man. So what do defenses do? They stack the box and make our QBs play QB. 

Then we get destroyed. They can bring constant pressure, leaving man on man coverage because there's no respect for the player behind center. Just because our line is bad doesn't mean a better QB wouldn't help alleviate some of these issues tremendously. Russell Wilson had a crap line for several years and still managed to put the team on his back. It does matter believe it or not.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

If you can go back and watch it again do it. You cant change direction of your throw mid throw. He was clobbered mid throw on his blind side. The defender was nearly untouched. These are the type of hits that get the turnovers. Simple as that. That said I hope he plays again soon.

 

The second INT he kept stepping backwards and just threw up a prayer... Instead of stepping up and tacking a sack

 

the third was more acceptable because he got cracked but he needs to just eat it and take the sack. If you can't get it off don't throw it. If he doesn't know if he can get it off the game is too fast

[SoTier]

5 hours ago, theRalph said:

Drought psychosis is reigning supreme. Everywhere. Except at One Bills Drive. 

 

Yes, it was a disaster. But shut down your emotions for a moment and consider the facts:

 

1. Peterman went 3-3 before the first INT. Who among us, after the throw to Benjamin, did not shout “that’s the throw we’ve been looking for!!!”

 

2. Pat DiMarco should have his beard plucked out whisker by whisker for playing beach volleyball with a throw right on his hands. That 1st INT wrecked the day.

 

3. We didn’t expect it, but Peterman’s start revealed stark weaknesses on the offensive line. On 2 of the interceptions, he had pass rushers in his grill. And it certainly wasn’t because he was holding out of the ball too long.

 

4. So 3 of the 5 INTs weren’t exactly Peterman’s fault. The other two were his fault. Dak Prescott also had two very similar INTs 2 hours later, at home, vs. the Eagles.

 

 For as much as fans go on and on about the drought, they really don’t give credence to the fact that the drought has tremendous negative energy. This may sound crazy but I believe Peterman’s start actually put a dent in that energy and that energy bit back.

 

 When you arrive at this understanding, you will understand that it will be much more difficult for the bills to break the drought that it will for them to go on a run in the playoffs. 

 

Peterman starts in Kansas City, Mark my words.

 

 

 

The OP is absolutely right about "drought psychosis" reigning supreme, especially in his own mind.

 

I don't doubt that Peterman likely starts on Sunday ... just like I don't doubt that the Chiefs could very well ring up 60+ on the Bills if he does.

[fansince88]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

The second INT he kept stepping backwards and just threw up a prayer... Instead of stepping up and tacking a sack

 

the third was more acceptable because he got cracked but he needs to just eat it and take the sack. If you can't get it off don't throw it. If he doesn't know if he can get it off the game is too fast

Watched it again. You are right 2nd he was stepping back. But once again our OL is horrid.