BillsFan130 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Bills have 2nd and 13 in the third quarter. They complete a pass to clay to about the 50 yard line. But Thompson is called for a hold and the Saints are called for roughing the passer so the flags offset. But here's the problem... Thomson's hold came on the 49 yard line. So if there was no roughing the passer, the bills would have been flagged for a spot foul and would have 1st and 10 from the 39 yard line. But!... Since the Saints roughed the passer, the flags offset, so therefore the bills had to redo the 2nd and 13 play from their own 25 yard line... How does that make any sense?... Basically the Saints got rewarded for roughing the passer. The NFL seriously needs to scrap the rulebook and start over, cause some things make 0 sense. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Astute assessment. It truly is complete garbage. I don't understand that rule in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 Just now, Buffalo30 said: Astute assessment. It truly is complete garbage. I don't understand that rule in the slightest. Thanks buddy. Makes no sense eh. Very strange rulebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Its ok - the bills wouldn't have scored anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Penalties are killing this team. We looked as undisciplined as we did under Rex today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 I never undertstood the offsetting penalties. Mark both of. Hence drop 10 yards from the hold and then add the 15 yarder. The result would have been about the same play. But this actually rarely happens in a game anyway where this comes up. The CHI Game though that was funny. thought they had a TD challenged and lost the ball or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Redo the 2nd and 13 means they are one play away from a 6-yard checkdown on 3rd and 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, Azucho98 said: Its ok - the bills wouldn't have scored anyway. That wasn't my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 There was definitely some really bad calls by the refs today - not even B crew material, C crew at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I never undertstood the offsetting penalties. Mark both of. Hence drop 10 yards from the hold and then add the 15 yarder. The result would have been about the same play. But this actually rarely happens in a game anyway where this comes up. The CHI Game though that was funny. thought they had a TD challenged and lost the ball or something like that. I heard about that. Didn't he challenge it for a TD but got overturned and was a fumble the other way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Just now, billsfan11 said: I heard about that. Didn't he challenge it for a TD but got overturned and was a fumble the other way? yeah something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 Just now, row_33 said: Redo the 2nd and 13 means they are one play away from a 6-yard checkdown on 3rd and 13. Was not my point. I'm not talking about the Bills. I was talking about the NFL rulebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 I don’t get how a delay of game penalty occurs and they start the game clock and give another 25 to waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 Just now, MAJBobby said: yeah something like that So crazy. I'll have to see the replay Just now, row_33 said: I don’t get how a delay of game penalty occurs and they start the game clock and give another 25 to waste. Lol yep, that's another flaw in the rulebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Wow good catch. I know the rules are crap but never thought about that being a spot foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbuffs Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 I thought the same when this happened. Not sure about the rule but I thought why dont we just decline the roughing the passer penalty. Maybe its not allowed or maybe the refs just !@#$ed it up. The zebras were terrible today not that it mattered but they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Wow good catch. I know the rules are crap but never thought about that being a spot foul. Thank you sir. Ya i noticed it would have been a spot foul so it really stuck out to me 1 minute ago, bigbuffs said: I thought the same when this happened. Not sure about the rule but I thought why dont we just decline the roughing the passer penalty. Maybe its not allowed or maybe the refs just !@#$ed it up. The zebras were terrible today not that it mattered but they were. Lol I was thinking that too. Like would they have been allowed to decline it?... I'm assuming not but either way a ridiculous rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 I'm wondering....if there are offsetting penalties, could the Bills decline the roughing the passer.....thus no offsetting...and take the 10 yard penalty from the spot of the foul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 31 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Bills have 2nd and 13 in the third quarter. They complete a pass to clay to about the 50 yard line. But Thompson is called for a hold and the Saints are called for roughing the passer so the flags offset. But here's the problem... Thomson's hold came on the 49 yard line. So if there was no roughing the passer, the bills would have been flagged for a spot foul and would have 1st and 10 from the 39 yard line. But!... Since the Saints roughed the passer, the flags offset, so therefore the bills had to redo the 2nd and 13 play from their own 25 yard line... How does that make any sense?... Basically the Saints got rewarded for roughing the passer. The NFL seriously needs to scrap the rulebook and start over, cause some things make 0 sense. Yeah, that’s a quirk of the rule book that needs to be looked at. But that was as tickytak a holding call as I’ve seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 Just now, K-9 said: Yeah, that’s a quirk of the rule book that needs to be looked at. But that was as tickytak a holding call as I’ve seen. Agreed. It didn't even impact the play. Was at the tail end when clay was I believe going out of bounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) you can’t declare open season on every opponent because it had nothing to do with the ball movement Edited November 12, 2017 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 There was one punt in the 2Q maybe, where I swear the NO returner waved his arms for a fair catch and then ran the ball back. Did anyone else catch that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Here's what I think is even a stupider one than that. A D lineman jumps off-sides, but not so far off-sides that ref blows it dead. So the DL is heading right for the QB and likely will sack him. A O lineman hooks (holds) the guy to stop him from sacking the QB The result, Off-setting penalties. To me thta'sa really dumb one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, jimmy10 said: There was one punt in the 2Q maybe, where I swear the NO returner waved his arms for a fair catch and then ran the ball back. Did anyone else catch that? I cant say I did. I'll take your word for it though. Wouldn't surprise me as the refs seemed inconsistent all day Just now, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Here's what I think is even a stupider one than that. A D lineman jumps off-sides, but not so far off-sides that ref blows it dead. So the DL is heading right for the QB and likely will sack him. A O lineman hooks (holds) the guy to stop him from sacking the QB The result, Off-setting penalties. To me thta'sa really dumb one. Lol agreed 100 percent. Very good point. I believe I saw that in the Lions game today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, billsfan11 said: I cant say I did. I'll take your word for it though. Wouldn't surprise me as the refs seemed inconsistent all day It was right in front of me, from my seat. The guy next to me and I were like “WTF was that, you can’t wave your arms for a fair catch and then advance the ball?” It’s like I was on crazy pills. (And for once I wasn’t!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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