Alphadawg7 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Bottom line is simple. As long as Bills playoffs hopes are alive, the odds of a QB change outside injury are till low, at least going into the game as a starter. However: 1. TT leash just got a LOT shorter. I think the possibility of making a switch at half time in a game where TT and the O are crapping the bed again has gone up. And I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see them do that as early as this week in a MUST win game against the Chargers. Not to mention, Lynn has a lot of knowledge on TT, if he shuts him down in his game-plan, could really open the door for Peterman in the 2nd half to try and change it up. 2. If or when the playoffs seem out of reach or a long shot, I think its MOST likely that Peterman will be given a chance to start the rest of the season so they can get some evaluation in him with relevant minutes before they go into the off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Bottom line is simple. As long as Bills playoffs hopes are alive, the odds of a QB change outside injury are till low, at least going into the game as a starter. However: 1. TT leash just got a LOT shorter. I think the possibility of making a switch at half time in a game where TT and the O are crapping the bed again has gone up. And I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see them do that as early as this week in a MUST win game against the Chargers. Not to mention, Lynn has a lot of knowledge on TT, if he shuts him down in his game-plan, could really open the door for Peterman in the 2nd half to try and change it up. 2. If or when the playoffs seem out of reach or a long shot, I think its MOST likely that Peterman will be given a chance to start the rest of the season so they can get some evaluation in him with relevant minutes before they go into the off season. I agree with #1. I thought it would be an injury or where we are a complete long shot to make the playoffs. After yesterday, I think a bad first half could lead to a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I agree with #1. I thought it would be an injury or where we are a complete long shot to make the playoffs. After yesterday, I think a bad first half could lead to a change. Yeah, this had gone about as I expected. I said over and over again coming into the season after the preseason on both QB's that TT will be the unquestioned starter to begin the season. And he would hold that job until either he proves he should keep it, gets hurt, or the playoffs get out of reach and TT was part of the problem. I also repeatedly said that there would likely not be a switch (outside an injury) until sometime after week 10. And here we are, going into week 10 and the early shine on TT has taken a major hit as of late. I actually still think as far as the Jets embarrassing loss goes, it wasn't his fault. But, this debacle at home was one of the worst games I have seen him play, and it was an important game coming off a long week. If they would have lost and he had a decent game, I think there might be less heat on him right now with the staff because the defense was equally as bad. But his performance was so bad in this game that I think the only thing that saves him from not eventually being replaced at some point this season is to go out and have back to back big games, and thats not looking likely against 2 tough AFC opponents on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just remember we still haven't unleashed Tyrod yet. Remember that article! Look I'm sure Tyrod is a nice guy, but he should not be an NFL starting quarterback. Try the kid, he can't do any worse then TT has done over the last couple of weeks. The players should be writing refund checks to the folks that spent their hard earned cash to watch that yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 33 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: "Make him be a QB"- Post game comments we keep hearing from other teams after they totally shut the offense down. there is no such thing as coincidence 24 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Bottom line is simple. As long as Bills playoffs hopes are alive, the odds of a QB change outside injury are till low, at least going into the game as a starter. However: 1. TT leash just got a LOT shorter. I think the possibility of making a switch at half time in a game where TT and the O are crapping the bed again has gone up. And I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see them do that as early as this week in a MUST win game against the Chargers. Not to mention, Lynn has a lot of knowledge on TT, if he shuts him down in his game-plan, could really open the door for Peterman in the 2nd half to try and change it up. 2. If or when the playoffs seem out of reach or a long shot, I think its MOST likely that Peterman will be given a chance to start the rest of the season so they can get some evaluation in him with relevant minutes before they go into the off season. Are you closer to coming over to the Dark Side too? another convert!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTheTrust Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Listening to Murph, Donald Jones, and Chris Brown rattle their brains to understand why Tyrod won't take risks even when it's 30-3. Guys, don't you know? If he keeps his INT # low enough, he may get another 4th alternate Pro Bowl spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 42 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Bottom line is simple. As long as Bills playoffs hopes are alive, the odds of a QB change outside injury are till low, at least going into the game as a starter. However: 1. TT leash just got a LOT shorter. I think the possibility of making a switch at half time in a game where TT and the O are crapping the bed again has gone up. And I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see them do that as early as this week in a MUST win game against the Chargers. Not to mention, Lynn has a lot of knowledge on TT, if he shuts him down in his game-plan, could really open the door for Peterman in the 2nd half to try and change it up. 2. If or when the playoffs seem out of reach or a long shot, I think its MOST likely that Peterman will be given a chance to start the rest of the season so they can get some evaluation in him with relevant minutes before they go into the off season. Taylor's unconventional style of play has been figured out and is now contained. There isn't much innovative game planning going on to keep this roaming qb contained in the pocket and taking away that which he does well into putting him in a position where he is a fish out of water. It's apparent that he has not grown his game to the point where his deficiencies are manageable. What the TT bandwagon haven't been willing to acknowledge is that this veteran qb is not a franchise qb, and will never be a franchise qb. That doesn't mean that he can't be useful as a backup and change of pace qb .It is a pathetic delusion that the bandwagon crowd has adhered to for so long. This earnest qb has glaring limitations that even his own coaching staffs over the past three years have readily acknowledged. Three different OCs have smartly not allowed him to direct a well-round pro offense because he is not capable of doing so. Odds are that the Bills are not a serious playoff contender, and much of it having little to do with our qb situation. However, if this franchise doesn't draft a qb with a high pick this year it should be charged with felonious malfeasance. What's obvious is obvious. Wishful thinking is living in a world of fantasy. Yesterday's game was reality. And it was ugly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: there is no such thing as coincidence Are you closer to coming over to the Dark Side too? another convert!! Well, if you actually look at my post history you would actually see that I said many many times that TT had a LOT to prove on the season to keep his job. And I also said I liked Peterman, in fact, my biggest argument to NOT start Peterman was because I liked him and didnt feel he was ready. Throwing a young QB not ready to the wolves behind a bad OL is not an effective way to develop them or their confidence, and confidence is substantially more important than people give it credit for. What I have defended TT on is when he is blamed unfairly for certain things. And in fairness to TT, there have been times he has shown growth in his weaker areas this season and gave reason to keep starting. He has also had some significant challenges to over come such as poor cupboard of weapons to work with most the season due to trades and injuries. That being said, this week was probably his worst game and just at an unacceptable level. If he doesn't bounce back significantly this week, not only do I think we will lose the game but I think he will lose his hold on the starting job in the near future. We wont make the playoffs if we lose next week... Funny, I will be at the Chargers game with great seats to see him either keep his job or seal his fate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, JohnC said: Taylor's unconventional style of play has been figured out and is now contained. There isn't much innovative game planning going on to keep this roaming qb contained in the pocket and taking away that which he does well into putting him in a position where he is a fish out of water. It's apparent that he has not grown his game to the point where his deficiencies are manageable. What the TT bandwagon haven't been willing to acknowledge is that this veteran qb is not a franchise qb, and will never be a franchise qb. That doesn't mean that he can't be useful as a backup and change of pace qb .It is a pathetic delusion that the bandwagon crowd has adhered to for so long. This earnest qb has glaring limitations that even his own coaching staffs over the past three years have readily acknowledged. Three different OCs have smartly not allowed him to direct a well-round pro offense because he is not capable of doing so. Odds are that the Bills are not a serious playoff contender, and much of it having little to do with our qb situation. However, if this franchise doesn't draft a qb with a high pick this year it should be charged with felonious malfeasance. What's obvious is obvious. Wishful thinking is living in a world of fantasy. Yesterday's game was reality. And it was ugly. No offense, but your assessment of the people who have supported TT is a bit exaggerated. I can't think of anyone who flat out said TT was a franchise QB. There are plenty of people who felt we could win with TT with a good D and run game, and regardless of your opinion, that's been proven. However, when the D sucks and the run game isnt doing anything, he is not going to be able to carry the team, and mostly knows that on both sides of the TT debate. The anti-TT crowd relentlessly and falsely state that people who have not been as negative on TT somehow think he is a franchise QB, which is 100% false. They over exaggerate the fan support of him to a level that doesn't exist. Just like many over exaggerate how bad he is. There are ONLY two opinions on TT...either utter hate where they blame TT for every missed FG, missed tackle, ISIS, and American Obesity...or others who realize we could do a lot worse, we can win with him with a balanced team, and there is still a lot he needs to prove to keep his job and if he doesn't we WILL and SHOULD draft a QB high in the draft THIS year. Those people fueled by hate then over exaggerate that to mean people are advocating that he is indeed a franchise QB, which is just not true. I am sure you can find a few extremist, but a few dont make the majority. Edited November 13, 2017 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Well, if you actually look at my post history you would actually see that I said many many times that TT had a LOT to prove on the season to keep his job. And I also said I liked Peterman, in fact, my biggest argument to NOT start Peterman was because I liked him and didnt feel he was ready. Throwing a young QB not ready to the wolves behind a bad OL is not an effective way to develop them or their confidence, and confidence is substantially more important than people give it credit for. What I have defended TT on is when he is blamed unfairly for certain things. And in fairness to TT, there have been times he has shown growth in his weaker areas this season and gave reason to keep starting. He has also had some significant challenges to over come such as poor cupboard of weapons to work with most the season due to trades and injuries. That being said, this week was probably his worst game and just at an unacceptable level. If he doesn't bounce back significantly this week, not only do I think we will lose the game but I think he will lose his hold on the starting job in the near future. We wont make the playoffs if we lose next week... Funny, I will be at the Chargers game with great seats to see him either keep his job or seal his fate I have no intention to rub things in on the qb issue. What is clearly obvious to this staff is that he is not the long term answer to anything. Whether he has a good game or not he is the same qb that he has been. If one watches the short clip with Peterman you see in those passes that they are quick recognition and releases. Those short passing plays (although meaningless) demonstrate clearly what he can do and what Taylor can't. If you get a chance watch some clips on Oklahoma's Mayfield. The accuracy, the use of the whole field, ball placement, the release are at a level that the seven year pro vet, Taylor, doesn't have and will never have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 52 minutes ago, ProcessTheTrust said: Listening to Murph, Donald Jones, and Chris Brown rattle their brains to understand why Tyrod won't take risks even when it's 30-3. Guys, don't you know? If he keeps his INT # low enough, he may get another 4th alternate Pro Bowl spot. those that you meant to jab aren't within a million miles of this board today.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTheTrust Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, row_33 said: those that you meant to jab aren't within a million miles of this board today.... Perhaps I wasn't really talking TO them as I was addressing those with the same questions? Nah. I honestly thought they were scrolling on here between takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, JohnC said: I have no intention to rub things in on the qb issue. What is clearly obvious to this staff is that he is not the long term answer to anything. Whether he has a good game or not he is the same qb that he has been. If one watches the short clip with Peterman you see in those passes that they are quick recognition and releases. Those short passing plays (although meaningless) demonstrate clearly what he can do and what Taylor can't. If you get a chance watch some clips on Oklahoma's Mayfield. The accuracy, the use of the whole field, ball placement, the release are at a level that the seven year pro vet, Taylor, doesn't have and will never have. All good man...I have stated many times I think Mayfield WILL be a Buffalo Bill next season going all the way back to early in the CFB season. Unfortunately, the slip and decline of the other hot prospects and the shine of Mayfield could change that as I actually thought we could stand pat and grab Mayfield, but if things keep going this way, its possible he could be a guy only obtainable with a trade up. I can still see us making that trade up, but would have been nice to stand pat and grab him and not spend more assets on a team with lots of holes. PS: I was also mocked quite a bit when I said Mayfield is not only the guy I want, but the guy I think we will get. Many kept slamming me saying he wouldn't go higher than the 2nd round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said: "Make him be a QB"- Post game comments we keep hearing from other teams after they totally shut the offense down. I can imagine just how pissed off TT must get when he hears this repeated by opposing players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: No offense, but your assessment of the people who have supported TT is a bit delusional. I can't think of anyone who flat out said TT was a franchise QB. There are plenty of people who felt we could win with TT with a good D and run game, and regardless of your opinion, that's been proven. However, when the D sucks and the run game isnt doing anything, he is not going to be able to carry the team, and EVERYONE...EVERY single person knows that on both sides of the TT debate. You anti-TT crowd relentlessly and falsely state that people who have not been as negative on TT somehow think he is a franchise QB, which is 100% false. You over exaggerate the fan support of him to a level that doesn't exist. Just like many over exaggerate how bad he is. There are ONLY two opinions on TT...either utter hate where they blame TT for every missed FG, missed tackle, ISIS, and American Obesity...or others who realize we could do a lot worse, we can win with him with a balanced team, and there is still a lot he needs to prove to keep his job and if he doesn't we WILL and SHOULD draft a QB high in the draft THIS year. Those people fueled by hate then over exaggerate that to mean people are advocating that he is indeed a franchise QB, which is just not true. I am sure you can find a few extremist, but a few dont make the majority. I'm not a Taylor hater, and never have been. What I have realized a long time ago is that he is not a franchise qb, and will never be. Go back and read your post. It is a clear definition of a qb who is not a franchise qb. That's the point. Making an argument that under the right circumstances you can win with him ignores the issue that you can win more with a legitimate franchise qb which he is not. 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: All good man...I have stated many times I think Mayfield WILL be a Buffalo Bill next season going all the way back to early in the CFB season. Unfortunately, the slip and decline of the other hot prospects and the shine of Mayfield could change that as I actually thought we could stand pat and grab Mayfield, but if things keep going this way, its possible he could be a guy only obtainable with a trade up. I can still see us making that trade up, but would have been nice to stand pat and grab him and not spend more assets on a team with lots of holes. PS: I was also mocked quite a bit when I said Mayfield is not only the guy I want, but the guy I think we will get. Many kept slamming me saying he wouldn't go higher than the 2nd round I want to make it clear (as you noted) that I'm not getting into "I told you so type" argument. From the games that I have watched against plenty of good teams he has been by far the most dynamic player on the field. He, as all the major qb prospects, have weaknesses. They all have to be coached up and placed in offenses that suit them. And most of them will not have an immediate impact because of the development process and because the roster still needs more bolstering. My position on the qb issue for years has been that it needs to be addressed sooner rather than later in order to allow time for development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 I just want them to win and I don't care who the QB is! Just win! If they keep losing, then try the kid out. Simple... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 37 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: No offense, but your assessment of the people who have supported TT is a bit exaggerated. I can't think of anyone who flat out said TT was a franchise QB. I'm on John's side here. Proof... thread titled Is Taylor a Franchise QB. If it wasn't strongly implied, then we'd have far fewer arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 13 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I'm on John's side here. Proof... thread titled Is Taylor a Franchise QB. If it wasn't strongly implied, then we'd have far fewer arguments. Well I don't think thread titles paint the picture of the majority...see: "Skelton for Mario straight up" for instance. Again, a few extremists, but I think most people understand TT wont carry this team if the D and run game aren't working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Well I don't think thread titles paint the picture of the majority...see: "Skelton for Mario straight up" for instance. Again, a few extremists, but I think most people understand TT wont carry this team if the D and run game aren't working. No not the majority just a small group that is slowly coming around to a reality many knew last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) On 11/12/2017 at 4:18 PM, McBean said: From McDermott in post game presser. Put the Peterman talk to bed. famous last words. how many times has it been said and then who starts the next game.... not the guy they were defending. as i said at the beginning of this year, Peterman will replace Tyrod at some point this season. Edited November 13, 2017 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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