The Fire Bell In The Night

[LeviF]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

Dearest Donny has complained about the EC for a very long time. 

 

I'll hang up and listen to your reply. 

 

And he won, loser.  Get over it and pick a decent candidate next time.

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

I disagree. I think the right wing insanity will go back off the scale for Warren, just like with Hillary, but won't work again. Warren will be hated with an insane passion, but like Hillary will win way more votes, but also the EC. 

 

Warren is a ticking time bomb ala Joe Biden but less likable.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, LeviF91 said:

And he won, loser.  Get over it and pick a decent candidate next time.

 

#SP

 

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

 

And he won, loser.  Get over it and pick a decent candidate next time.

 

Warren is a ticking time bomb ala Joe Biden but less likable.

And that will be a problem running against Trump? Ya right 

[LeviF]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

And that will be a problem running against Trump? Ya right 

 

This is reminiscent of stuff I heard in August 2016.  Hmm... 

5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

#SP

 

 

Yes, God forbid someone call the Democratic party to account for their ****ty politicking and ****ty candidates

[Tiberius]

13 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

 

This is reminiscent of stuff I heard in August 2016.  Hmm... 

 

 

You mean before we actually saw the moron attempt to govern? Ya, I'm not surprised it reminds you of that 

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You mean before we actually saw the moron attempt to govern? Ya, I'm not surprised it reminds you of that 

You calling someone a moron is ironic.

[Tiberius]

11 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

You calling someone a moron is ironic.

I think you are a nice person 

[B-Man]

MICHAEL BARONE: 2016 is looking like the new normal.

 

If you wanted to predict the results of Tuesday’s gubernatorial elections in Virginia and New Jersey, you would have been wise to ignore the flurry of polls and campaign events. You would have paid no heed to the conventional wisdom that Republican Kim Guadagno was uncompetitive against Democrat Phil Murphy in New Jersey, while Republican Ed Gillespie had a solid chance to beat Ralph Northam in Virginia.

 

In fact, Northam’s 9 point victory margin in Virginia was not much different from Murphy’s 13 point margin in New Jersey. And both almost precisely mirrored the 2016 presidential results. Hillary Clinton carried New Jersey 55 to 41 percent; Murphy won it by 56 to 43 percent. Clinton carried Virginia 50 to 44 percent; Northam won it 54 to 45 percent. The two Democrats, lacking Clinton’s reputation for dishonesty, gained a few points she lost to third-party candidates; the two Republicans got almost exactly the same percentages as Trump.

 

It’s neither a catastrophe for the GOP nor a breakthrough for the Dems. Nobody should get cocky,

 

especially since voters basically hate both parties.

[row_33]

crap, took a year to end the perfect streak of off-year and off-off-year elections.

 

 

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

MICHAEL BARONE: 2016 is looking like the new normal.

 

If you wanted to predict the results of Tuesday’s gubernatorial elections in Virginia and New Jersey, you would have been wise to ignore the flurry of polls and campaign events. You would have paid no heed to the conventional wisdom that Republican Kim Guadagno was uncompetitive against Democrat Phil Murphy in New Jersey, while Republican Ed Gillespie had a solid chance to beat Ralph Northam in Virginia.

 

In fact, Northam’s 9 point victory margin in Virginia was not much different from Murphy’s 13 point margin in New Jersey. And both almost precisely mirrored the 2016 presidential results. Hillary Clinton carried New Jersey 55 to 41 percent; Murphy won it by 56 to 43 percent. Clinton carried Virginia 50 to 44 percent; Northam won it 54 to 45 percent. The two Democrats, lacking Clinton’s reputation for dishonesty, gained a few points she lost to third-party candidates; the two Republicans got almost exactly the same percentages as Trump.

 

It’s neither a catastrophe for the GOP nor a breakthrough for the Dems. Nobody should get cocky,

 

especially since voters basically hate both parties.

Yup, nothing to see here: 

 

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The Democratic wave in Virginia on Tuesday wiped out the Republican majority in the state House of Delegates, throwing control of the chamber in play for the first time since 2000 and putting Republicans in blue-tinged districts across the country on alert for next year’s elections.

Democrats snared at least 15 seats in an upset that stunned members of both parties and arrived with national implications.

Unofficial returns showed Democrats unseating at least a dozen Republicans and flipping three seats that had been occupied by GOP incumbents who did not seek reelection. Four other races were so close that they qualify for a recount, and the outcome will determine control of the chamber. The results marked the most sweeping shift in control of the legislature since Reconstruction.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/democrats-poised-to-make-significant-gains-in-virginia-legislature/2017/11/07/9c2f4d24-c401-11e7-aae0-cb18a8c29c65_story.html?utm_term=.f55791412bda

[DC Tom]

15 minutes ago, B-Man said:

MICHAEL BARONE: 2016 is looking like the new normal.

 

If you wanted to predict the results of Tuesday’s gubernatorial elections in Virginia and New Jersey, you would have been wise to ignore the flurry of polls and campaign events. You would have paid no heed to the conventional wisdom that Republican Kim Guadagno was uncompetitive against Democrat Phil Murphy in New Jersey, while Republican Ed Gillespie had a solid chance to beat Ralph Northam in Virginia.

 

In fact, Northam’s 9 point victory margin in Virginia was not much different from Murphy’s 13 point margin in New Jersey. And both almost precisely mirrored the 2016 presidential results. Hillary Clinton carried New Jersey 55 to 41 percent; Murphy won it by 56 to 43 percent. Clinton carried Virginia 50 to 44 percent; Northam won it 54 to 45 percent. The two Democrats, lacking Clinton’s reputation for dishonesty, gained a few points she lost to third-party candidates; the two Republicans got almost exactly the same percentages as Trump.

 

It’s neither a catastrophe for the GOP nor a breakthrough for the Dems. Nobody should get cocky,

 

especially since voters basically hate both parties.

 

I suspect that the polls are no longer accurately predicting turnout.  That's what Trump's win was based on, and Northam's.

 

Which is kind-of depressing, because we've ceased to have elections about the better candidate, and base them now on "Who can make us angrier?"

[row_33]

Nobody voting right of Chairman Mao will ever again tell a pollster their opinion except !@#$ OFF!!!

Polls should be forced to report "refused to answer" and "!@#$ OFF" on the news.

Edited November 9, 2017 by row_33

[Tiberius]

Asked by Fox News whether Republicans had a choice about sticking with Trump, Ryan said: “We already made that choice. We’re with Trump. We already made that choice. That’s a choice we made at the beginning of the year. That’s a choice we made during the campaign. We ran on a joint agenda with Donald Trump.” Now, if that doesn’t show up in an ad or two, Democrats will be throwing away a political gift.

[B-Man]

Who paid for that bell ?.............

 

 

Cecile Richards 

 

 ✔@CecileRichards

A clean sweep! The results tonight in Virginia are clear: This is a firm rejection of the Trump-Gillespie agenda of fear and division.

Together, Planned Parenthood supporters knocked over 350k doors, talked to over half a million voters, held over 850 events, and coordinated more than 1,330 volunteer shifts.

 

1/ https://twitter.com/PPAVirginia/status/928083789858951172 …

 

And who paid for that, Cecile? Can’t help but notice you didn’t say, volunteers, you said supporters.

 

And where did the money for those 850 events come from?

 

Taxpayers shouldn’t foot the bill for these things, but through magical accounting, you can claim they didn’t.

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Could Richie have beaten these people, who all lost to Trump?

In the GOP primaries, no.  Trump would have won.

[K-9]

4 hours ago, B-Man said:

MICHAEL BARONE: 2016 is looking like the new normal.

 

If you wanted to predict the results of Tuesday’s gubernatorial elections in Virginia and New Jersey, you would have been wise to ignore the flurry of polls and campaign events. You would have paid no heed to the conventional wisdom that Republican Kim Guadagno was uncompetitive against Democrat Phil Murphy in New Jersey, while Republican Ed Gillespie had a solid chance to beat Ralph Northam in Virginia.

 

In fact, Northam’s 9 point victory margin in Virginia was not much different from Murphy’s 13 point margin in New Jersey. And both almost precisely mirrored the 2016 presidential results. Hillary Clinton carried New Jersey 55 to 41 percent; Murphy won it by 56 to 43 percent. Clinton carried Virginia 50 to 44 percent; Northam won it 54 to 45 percent. The two Democrats, lacking Clinton’s reputation for dishonesty, gained a few points she lost to third-party candidates; the two Republicans got almost exactly the same percentages as Trump.

 

It’s neither a catastrophe for the GOP nor a breakthrough for the Dems. Nobody should get cocky,

 

especially since voters basically hate both parties.

This is the main takeaway from Barrone's article and why Republican strategists are worried:

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...Democrats made big gains in state House races by running well-organized and well-financed campaigns, mostly in high-education suburbs. Republicans went into Election Day with a 66-34 majority in the chamber; as this is written, Democrats might just gain the 17 seats needed to overturn that. ...

Long entrenched Republicans got trounced in districts previously thought to be impervious, much to the surprise of the punditry. 

[3rdnlng]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

In the GOP primaries, no.  Trump would have won.

But Richie could have beaten the very guy that beat all of them?

[Prickly Pete]

hahaha, yeah "anyone coulda beat Trump".

 

Trump made mincemeat out of everyone they put in his path. Like him or not, he knows how to go for the jugular. I actually thought he was pretty restrained with Hillary.

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

But Richie could have beaten the very guy that beat all of them?

There's an obvious difference between competing with Trump in the Republican primaries compared to competing with him as a Democrat in the general election.  Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes (.2 points), Wisconsin by 22,748 votes (.7 points), and Pennsylvania by 44,292 votes (.7 points).  That's 77,774 votes combined.  Hillary ran the worst campaign I've ever seen for a major party nominee and her negatives were somehow as low as Trump who was caught on tape after the Republican primaries joking he can use his power to grab women by the pink fortress.  Hillary deserved to lose, but my point is you run anybody that's just a little more popular than Hillary (Richie was a dumb example because he wouldn't qualify as he's only 34) and those three states remain blue. Democrats win the presidential election.

 

That's why I think the odds are against Trump winning in 2020 unless the Democrats manage to find somebody more unpopular than Hillary (or run Hillary again) to be their nominee.  Trump was right in saying that the electoral college is more difficult for a Republican to win.  

[Prickly Pete]

Trump won while an unknown quantity, who was under constant attack as "the next Hitler", and as a president who would usher in an era of Muslim persecution, and mass deportations,  and a police state, and so on. None of those have happened, and have proven to be media driven hysterics. Trump will have proven himself more palatable come 2020, and he will likely win. The Democrats are going to continue with their identity politics and lose. They don't have anyone worth a ****, and need to purge the party of the NeoLiberal Clintonians. Those arrogant old baby-boomer ****s, like HRC refuse to get out of the way.

 

I can only shudder at the thought of how much deeper into corruption and progressivism 8 years of Hillary could have driven us. 8 years of "diversity" appointments throughout government, and the trickle down effect of those people being in unelected positions for an entire career, doing all the hiring and firing. The tax payer money thrown at "progressive" groups and institutions....

 

Edited November 10, 2017 by OJABBA