Re-Sign Jordan Matthews?

[simpleman]

He has yet to prove he deserves the Woods type money he will require. And he has not yet performed even at the level of Woods for the Bills. I give him the rest of the year to prove it.

Everyone is penciling in Zay as a top 3, he has not proven he belongs there. I am not calling him a bust or saying release him, I'm just saying he has not proven he deserves to be in the top 3. I again give him the rest of the year to prove something.

Benjamin has not played one game yet for the Bills. Let us see what he brings to the Bills when he gets on the field.

Beyond them there is no one who has proven they are much more than depth. So far Thompson has had one decent game. I see the WR position as far from set at this point. Ask me again after Christmas.

 I would release Holmes in a heartbeat for a 3rd round pick. The deadline for that is approaching, is it not?

Edited November 8, 2017 by simpleman

[Billsfansinceday1]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Depends what he asks for. 

Exactly right.  He has been very dependable but he has to be reasonably priced.  

[GunnerBill]

Just now, simpleman said:

 

 I would release Holmes in a heartbeat for a 3rd round pick. The deadline for that is approaching, is it not?

 

Yes it's this week.  But the Bills don't just have to release Holmes.... it would have to be Holmes, Davies and some combo of Leonard Johnson, Vlad Ducasse and Patrick DiMarco.  Ain't happening.  

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

The first one, definitely.  The second one I highly doubt as well.

 

Extremely productive young WR. That runs very good routes and has been more productive than Robert Woods so will get more than Woods 

2 minutes ago, simpleman said:

He has yet to prove he deserves the Woods type money he will require. And he has not yet performed even at the level of Woods for the Bills. I give him the rest of the year to prove it.

Everyone is penciling in Zay as a top 3, he has not proven he belongs there. I am not calling him a bust or saying release him, I'm just saying he has not proven he deserves to be in the top 3. I again give him the rest of the year to prove something.

Benjamin has not played one game yet or the Bills. Let us see what he brings to the Bills when he gets on the field.

Beyond them there is no one who has proven they are much more than depth. So far Thompson has had one decent game. I see the WR position as far from set at this point. Ask me again after Christmas.

 I would release Holmes in a heartbeat for a 3rd round pick. The deadline for that is approaching, is it not?

 

What are tou talking about. Go look at his numbers from Philly and tell me he hasnt proven he is worth Robert Woods money lol

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yes it's this week.  But the Bills don't just have to release Holmes.... it would have to be Holmes, Davies and some combo of Leonard Johnson, Vlad Ducasse and Patrick DiMarco.  Ain't happening.  

 

Can release them all Holmes Ducasse (no one will claim him)

 

and Davis a rotational guy that you can sign right back if he clears waiver and then you get the 3rd 

[simpleman]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

Extremely productive young WR. That runs very good routes and has been more productive than Robert Woods so will get more than Woods 

 

What are tou talking about. Go look at his numbers from Philly and tell me he hasnt proven he is worth Robert Woods money lol

I don't deal in the past under other different circumstances. It does not matter what he did in the past. Would you judge the value of Hughes to the Bills based on his past with his previous team. Performance can go either way after a trade. Look at Dareus's record over his first contract with the Bills. Then compare his record the past two years. How about the Bills re-signing Fitz to a big contract too soon. It is better to wait. I don't deal in hope and dreams, I deal in the performance in the now. Let him prove it with the Bills before you jump too soon.

[MAJBobby]

 

 

I also think the Benjamin Trade kills at Matthews deal. I dont see the Bills putting two 8M WRs on the roster next year. 

 

Benjamin also will help a young QB more going forward because of his catch radiius and such. 

Just now, simpleman said:

I don't deal in the past under other different circumstances. It does not matter what he did in the past. Would you judge the value of Hughes to the Bills based on his past with his previous team. Performance can go either way after a trade. Look at Dareus's record over his first contract with the Bills. Then compare his record the past two years. How about the Bills re-signing Fitz to a big contract too soon. It is better to wait. I don't deal in hope and dreams, I deal in the performance in the now. Let him prove it with the Bills before you jump too soon.

 

The Market will. You think they are going to base his value off this year on a Offense that took 8 weeks to get WRs heavily involved and a run first ultra conservative team or do do you think they will look at his 240 plus catches 2900 yards and 20 TDs his first 3 yeRs. 

 

He will get 8-10 on the open market so he is not taking less to play in Buffalo. 

 

So again i said he walks because Bills will not pay his market value 

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Can release them all Holmes Ducasse (no one will claim him)

 

and Davis a rotational guy that you can sign right back if he clears waiver and then you get the 3rd 

 

As bad as I think Vlad Ducasse is there is no way he would go unclaimed.  The standard of o-lines around the league might be at an all time low and the standard of o-line depth around the league is frankly comical.  He would be claimed as depth somewhere.  

 

They are not cutting a starting guard.  If Miller was still the starter this might have a chance of happening.  

[MAJBobby]

I think the only on they try and re-sign off their bring in off trades is EJ Gaines. 

 

And that is going to really be a difficult value to put in it. He is very productive in this system when healthy. But that is the issue is health. 

 

I would think though is is going to be still at least a 5M AVV on his new deal. Maybe work in some INJ Protections like tie the guaranteed money in future to playing time. 

[simpleman]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

 

I also think the Benjamin Trade kills at Matthews deal. I dont see the Bills putting two 8M WRs on the roster next year. 

 

Benjamin also will help a young QB more going forward because of his catch radiius and such. 

 

The Market will. You think they are going to base his value off this year on a Offense that took 8 weeks to get WRs heavily involved and a run first ultra conservative team or do do you think they will look at his 240 plus catches 2900 yards and 20 TDs his first 3 yeRs. 

 

He will get 8-10 on the open market so he is not taking less to play in Buffalo. 

 

So again i said he walks because Bills will not pay his market value 

We will see. I am not arguing with you. I am saying the logical move is to wait till the end of the season and evaluate each the players based on their performance with this team and their  value to the team. If it is not worth it, move on. Let the season play out as it does, just don't rush into premature judgements.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

As bad as I think Vlad Ducasse is there is no way he would go unclaimed.  The standard of o-lines around the league might be at an all time low and the standard of o-line depth around the league is frankly comical.  He would be claimed as depth somewhere.  

 

They are not cutting a starting guard.  If Miller was still the starter this might have a chance of happening.  

 

The point is though there are better options already on this team with Groy and Dawkins. But i know he wont get cut he is Juans boy. 

 

But to cut Ducasse, Holmes and Davis Doesnt hurt your playoff chances anymore than Trading Dareus did and you get a much better draft pick for it over what you got from Dareus lol

Just now, simpleman said:

We will see. I am not arguing with you. I am saying the logical move is to wait till the end of the season and evaluate each the players based on their performance with this team and their  value to the team. If it is not worth it, move on. Let the season play out as it does, just don't rush into premature judgements.

 

Benjamin is on contract next year for 8M. 

Matthews is not. 

 

So knowing that I doubt very highly doubt the Bills tie 16M into WR position when we currently do not feature the WR. Ooo and you have a Zay as well (starting to come into his own). 

 

Then add Clay and Shady Not enough Balls to go around 

 

matthews will take his 8-10M contract he will get to another team

[simpleman]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

 

 

But to cut Ducasse, Holmes and Davis Doesnt hurt your playoff chances anymore than Trading Dareus did and you get a much better draft pick for it over what you got from Dareus lol

Watch it. The "process" believers here don't like logical statements that point out the inconsistency and faults in the thinking behind the mythical,  almighty "process".

[MAJBobby]

Just now, simpleman said:

Watch it. The "process" believers here don't like logical statements that point out the inconsistency and faults in the thinking behind the mythical,  almighty "process".

 

Dont worry I am used to it. There is a very select group here that dont allow any negative (or what they take as negative) comments about the Bills or players 

[BillsFan130]

35 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Extremely productive young WR. That runs very good routes and has been more productive than Robert Woods so will get more than Woods 

 

I agree.

Robert woods career stats- 65 games, 234 receptions, 2902 yards, 14 TD

Matthews- 53 games- 246 receptions, 2912 yards, 20 TD.

 

Before looking at those stats I thought he would get more than Woods, and I think those stats pretty much confirm he will.

He has also been a number 1 receiver wherever he has gone, where woods has been the number 2.

The only thing Woods probably does better than him is blocking

[JPP]

Yup resign him

[boyst]

No way at all. As others have submitted. He isn't worth it

[thebandit27]

21 minutes ago, simpleman said:

Watch it. The "process" believers here don't like logical statements that point out the inconsistency and faults in the thinking behind the mythical,  almighty "process".

 

oh stop...people question the leadership on this team weekly.

[Bills Fan of St Augustine]

1 hour ago, Buffalo30 said:

I think Buffalo would need to get a pass first QB to warrant his signing.  If they got a guy like Luck, Cousins or drafted a guy then yes.  If we are staying with Tyrod, then no.  I like Tyrod but he's not passing the ball around the yard enough to bring in that many targets.  His two favorite targets are tight end and running back at this point.  

I don't completely disagree with your premise, but we all used to harp on TT because he didn't use his TE enough. When all the talent left Buffalo at WR, the plan was to get Shady more involved in the pas game. So now he is using both and we're not happy he isn't using his WRs more? I'd also like to see him with a little more time to throw before his pocket completely collapses. With decent protection, WRs may  become an option again. Especially KB. TT willl need to trust KB to make plays even if he isn't wide open. 

[BuffaloBill]

I would hope we sign him because if we don’t there is another need created against a long list.  Keep in mind the Bills are no longer a young team.   Lorax, K. Williams, Incognito are nearing the end of their playing careers by NFL age standards.  Woods is also not a member of the youth corps.  It is likely to take two or three more drafts to completely rebuilt the roster.

[Laughing Coffin]

Nope.  He’s not good enough to warrant tying up funds.  Sign KB to a deal, draft another WR, zay is your 2-3 guy.  

 

We we can replace Matthews production with a 2nd-3rd rounder or we might use a 1st in a WR 

[BillsfanAZ]

If Mathews will extend on a team friendly deal then I say yes. If he is looking for a good pay day then no. He is replaceable. The Bills will have a decision to make after this season. If they stay with Taylor and build around him or get a QB early in the draft while keeping Taylor only for next season. If they stay with Taylor then the Bills must use the draft or free agency to rebuild the right side of the Oline. They have to be thinking RB replacement in the next couple seasons. They have enough picks in the first couple rounds to go BPA while stilll addressing needs.