Koko78 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I know the whole team was really bad tonight, but what was really troubling was how bad we looked on Defense. I thought we were supposed to be pretty good on D this year yet the Jets ran all the !@#$ over us. How concerned should we be? They played like tired, stupid, !@#$s who were outcoached. Sloppy tackling and undisciplined play killed them. The facemask penalties were idiotic. Hughes' meltdown was unconscionable, especially after the ref told him "that's enough" at least twice before throwing the flag. They lost all semblance of discipline on defense, and McCoach needs to figure out why. I would not be overly concerned if the meltdown was a matter of just playing 4 days ago. I would be concerned if it were something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 You can cite the absence of Dareus but doing so without acknowledging that Dareus contract which was terrible, got moved. Who is to say that MD wouldn't further injure his reputation and turn that contract from terrible to unmovable. There was a risk keeping him on the roster, not just dealing with him in the locker room. They had an out year in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Humber was real bad, same with Lorax. These guys are career ST'ers who are pretending to be LBs in a scheme that needs good ones. LBs are a product of the D-linemen ahead of them. The defensive line got out-muscled most of the night, exposing the LBs deficiencies.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 They had an out year in 2019. They obviously didn't want him here collecting checks and influencing guys. Had a chance to move him and took it. In the short term does it hurt the DT depth, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 LBs are a product of the D-linemen ahead of them. The defensive line got out-muscled most of the night, exposing the LBs deficiencies.... Sometimes the LB takes himself out of position and sets up blocks. Humber did exactly that. He looked unprepared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 They took advantage of the Dareus trade and ran right at the spot he would have been filling if he were on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Sometimes the LB takes himself out of position and sets up blocks. Humber did exactly that. He looked unprepared. Humber and Poyer looked hurt out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Humber and Poyer looked hurt out there. Hurt or unprepared. They didn't look ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 They took advantage of the Dareus trade and ran right at the spot he would have been filling if he were on the field. Well, for the 30% of the snaps he played anyways.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Kyle Williams has been fine. Why make up something? Humber was terrible last night and probably shouldn't have started. Our run fits were terrible, especially Humber. I agree on the front 7. Lacks talent. They can't have poor run fits like last night. That could be because of a short week, lack of preparation. KW is a hell of his former self. Not saying he's been terrible this year because he hasn't but he's not the same guy anymore and last night was certainly his worst game of the year (like most of the players on this team). Go back and watch the game if you have it recorded though, KW was manhandled on a lot of plays not even double teamed either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 They obviously didn't want him here collecting checks and influencing guys. Had a chance to move him and took it. In the short term does it hurt the DT depth, obviously. I think it was more he wasn't a kiss ass to the coach. I like McDermott but he runs a cult of personality club. Marcell is never going to be a guy who trusts you. He's from the ghetto. Marcell is a prove it to me why I should trust you, guy. He's not going to take into a cult style from the HC until he proves he's worth trusting. I know many kids like him. They will be standoffish the entire time you know them. Then when they trust you, they will die for you. Literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Get ready for the Saints run game gonna see a repeatThey can really run the football at the moment. Thats been the key for the Saints IMO. Im hoping 10 days changes some things. Are there any big run stuffing tackles out there? Even if they only play the early downs that would probably be a decent use of a roster spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 LBs are a product of the D-linemen ahead of them. The defensive line got out-muscled most of the night, exposing the LBs deficiencies.... Yes, and also sometimes the LBs took poor angles, didn't hit their fits, over pursued and missed tackles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Yes, and also sometimes the LBs took poor angles, didn't hit their fits, over pursued and missed tackles They do this when the line is getting killed off the snap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 They do this when the line is getting killed off the snap. Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Yes, and also sometimes the LBs took poor angles, didn't hit their fits, over pursued and missed tackles There were more than a few times yesterday in which we had the RB bottled up for a no gain or a yard or two gain...couldn't complete the tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 There were more than a few times yesterday in which we had the RB bottled up for a no gain or a yard or two gain...couldn't complete the tackle. According to Cuddy that's the DL's fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) I think it was more he wasn't a kiss ass to the coach. I like McDermott but he runs a cult of personality club. Marcell is never going to be a guy who trusts you. He's from the ghetto. Marcell is a prove it to me why I should trust you, guy. He's not going to take into a cult style from the HC until he proves he's worth trusting. I know many kids like him. They will be standoffish the entire time you know them. Then when they trust you, they will die for you. Literally. That's pretty broad and sloppy. I can't blame a coach for not wanting his highest paid player being a negative influence on younger guys. See Mario Williams. How do you think guys flock towards 100 million dollar men? I'm sure they have all the coolest cars, houses, etc. They have what the young guys want... Folks often ignore the human aspect of all this. The guy got suspended multiple times for substance abuse, got fat, rode a bike, got fat again, constant muscle pulls, missing flights etc. This is the highest paid guy on the team. A soft spoken, detached, slug. Short term it opens up a hole in the roster but long term it makes a ton of sense. They are trying to build a winning program not appease a 350 pound man child with no self discipline. Who said "can't win with em" Edited November 3, 2017 by Commonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Total lack of focus on both sides of the ball. The fumbles by O'Leary and Matthews and the facemask on McCown and 22 missed tackles were just careless mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 KW is a hell of his former self. Not saying he's been terrible this year because he hasn't but he's not the same guy anymore and last night was certainly his worst game of the year (like most of the players on this team). Go back and watch the game if you have it recorded though, KW was manhandled on a lot of plays not even double teamed either. Kyle may have had a bad game, he didn't stand out just watching live, but for the year he has been good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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