JM2009 Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 You should change your username to Tyrods Ballsack. What a way to add to the discussion. PolishDave and I were having a good discussion. You should try it sometime instead of posting ignorance. And you forgot the apostrophe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I think "time to throw" is how long it takes Tyrod to throw the ball, not how much time the offensive line is giving him to throw. Holding onto the ball too long before he throws has been an issue of Tyrod's. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/qbs-in-focus-time-to-throw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21765203_1941740162712576_8637530686331276602_n.jpg?oh=576cef6c93192f8e31cdbc947a848a57&oe=5A4949E9 12th in intermediate passing is a good sign. Do I think he is the seventh best QB-of course not, but he isn't terrible either, like some think. ...let's see exactly where those "stats" lead to at 4:05PM on Sunday............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Add to what discussion? Discussing the fact that this "stat" you posted is completely useless? Tyrod scrambles and moves around most of the time. He's probably going to lead the league in "time with ball before a pass" as long as he's a starter. You posted the same exact thing in another thread.......then made another thread about it. Tyrod is a great scrambler for a QB, hence the stat having its own thread. I added to this informative discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 ...let's see exactly where those "stats" lead to at 4:05PM on Sunday............. We'll see. Thank you for posting a thought on this stat I put up about his intermediate passing. I don't think anyone else did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 ha ha ha I didn't like EJ 2014 and on either. SMH Nor Fitz, nor Edwards after a few games. The only QBs I have defended since the drought are Bledsoe, Orton and Taylor. I only point out he isn't this terrible QB that some think he is. The more rational posters seem to agree. The ones with an agenda do not. Hate Peterman-the kid has never started an NFL game before-a real one. I hope he does well. We know nothing about him yet. It's ignorant posting like yours that demand responses, again , and again and again. Just an updated stat thread going into the third game. Thought it was interesting. I got this PFF link from Bills Fanatics. All the comments from people there all said it was the time he has to throw. And about the Carolina game they are agreed that Carolina was in the backfield most of the game. The stat is how long it takes to throw the ball. Go look at nexgen stats on NFL.Com. Says the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 You should change your username to Tyrods Ballsack. After you change yours to buffalo's ballsack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 The stat is how long it takes to throw the ball. Go look at nexgen stats on NFL.Com. Says the same thing. Polish Dave and I already have had a good discussion on this. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/qbs-in-focus-time-to-throw Good find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) We'll see. Thank you for posting a thought on this stat I put up about his intermediate passing. I don't think anyone else did. .....maybe being older than dirt leaves me set in my analytical ways, but I'm not a stat rat.....first, you can manipulate them any way you want to prove YOUR point or disprove another's....my all-time favorite stat is "W's" and I don't give a rat's azz how you get me 10 and a playoff berth.......55 years and a 17 year drought doesn't leve me much time.....and I already found ort where I'm ending up, "Hell's Kitchen", the reception sucks..... Edited September 22, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Carolina was living in our backfield. Because he held the ball for so long. Mobile QBs are almost always near the bottom (or top) in time to throw because they keep more plays alive and keep them alive longer. Think about Bledsoe (my favorite example). As soon as someone got through the line he was on the ground. When you keep plays alive like Tyrod, Cam, Ben, Rodgers, Wilson, etc... you will always be in there longer. That's common sense Fwiw, that was the thing that impressed me the most about Baker Mayfield 2 weeks ago. He made guys miss until he could make a play. It was really impressive. This is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 .....maybe being older than dirt leaves me set in my analytical ways, but I'm not a stat rat.....first, you can manipulate them any way you want to prove YOUR point or disprove another's....my all-time favorite stat is "W's" and I don't give a rat's azz how you get me 10 and a playoff berth.......55 years and a 17 year drought doesn't leve me much time.....and I already found ort where I'm ending up, "Hell's Kitchen", the reception sucks..... Your right. Ws are all that matters really. 55 years you have stuck with this team. I salute you. I think Indy is there too. Because he held the ball for so long. This is true. He did on some plays. But the O line is not good at pass blocking. The right side really gets exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Wayne, This is a completely flawed stat that was dissected over a year ago. Tyrod scrambles many times before he throws and all that time adds to this fictitious time count that OL gives him protection when he actually gets little protection. This can't be lost on you? Can it? It can be both. Yes, Tyrod's mobility contributes to the time. But Tyrod also holds the ball way too long because he's slow to read the field, slow to react, and hesitant to pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) We'll see. Thank you for posting a thought on this stat I put up about his intermediate passing. I don't think anyone else did. You did indeed put up this thread about his intermediate passing, not mentioning the short and long passing. And it's pretty clear why you did so. If you're going to cherrypick the one good stat and not mention the bad ones (short is 20th and deep is 23rd intermediate is 12th), expect criticism. It's warranted. You're spinning, not analyzing. Edited September 22, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 You did indeed put up this thread about his intermediate passing, not mentioning the short and long passing. And it's pretty clear why you did so. If you're going to cherrypick the one good stat and not mention the bad ones (21st and 24th if I remember?), expect criticism. It's warranted. You're spinning, not analyzing. Why the anger? The entire chart is there for all to see. And a bad pass blocking line with no deep threat is not the recipe for success for any QB. You seem to do a lot of spinning in your own discussions,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 At least he can scramble. If part of the problem is the bad WR corp, other QBs would get sacked and turn the ball over. The entire offense is to blame, including TT for the dismal output Sunday. Agreed that there's blame to go around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 After you change yours to buffalo's ballsackBecause I love the Bills? Sorry, don't quite understand the logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) Why the anger? The entire chart is there for all to see. And a bad pass blocking line with no deep threat is not the recipe for success for any QB. You seem to do a lot of spinning in your own discussions,. It isn't anger. It's precision. I said you cherrypicked and spun ... because you cherrypicked and spun in this case. If you do that you'll be called out, and you should expect it. You also post plenty of good stuff, though. I often really appreciate your POV. And now that I think about it, I'm really really tired. Maybe that affected my tone. Edited September 22, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) I think "time to throw" is how long it takes Tyrod to throw the ball, not how much time the offensive line is giving him to throw. Holding onto the ball too long before he throws has been an issue of Tyrod's. On the other hand, some of the younger, more mobile quarterbacks in the league such as Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, and even Andrew Luck have much higher times to throw, and it’s not because they’re getting more time from their line, but moreso because they’re either looking to extend plays with their legs, trying to take more downfield shots, or some combination of both. From the site provided by the link from papazoid above. Edited September 22, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 He's bottom half of the league. Stats don't tell the whole story. Like EJ, he just can't read the field, read defenses, throw open receivers or work effectively from the pocket. His strength is his legs and athleticism. But for sophisticated, timing based passing offenses, he's not a good fit. And unfortunately, Dennisuck is not playing to his strengths. He's pulling a REXY and trying to force his square system into a round hole. exactly...there is a reason the strategy for other teams in to "Make him be a quarterback" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21765203_1941740162712576_8637530686331276602_n.jpg?oh=576cef6c93192f8e31cdbc947a848a57&oe=5A4949E9 12th in intermediate passing is a good sign. Do I think he is the seventh best QB-of course not, but he isn't terrible either, like some think. This doesn't measure what you are thinking it measures from the thread title. It measures the length of time the QB takes to throw the ball on average, NOT how long the OLine protects him for. In large part this is on Tyrod for holding the ball too long, not trusting what he sees and refusing to throw a receiver open. Edited September 22, 2017 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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