Koko78 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 39 minutes ago, Chandemonium said: Wouldn’t they have to have been convicted of a crime to be pardoned? No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 More, much, much more at the link. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandemonium Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 46 minutes ago, row_33 said: The DoJ states all names of those pardoned, the paperwork is privileged. President Ford pardoned former President Nixon without a prior conviction. 9 minutes ago, Koko78 said: No. While y’all were setting me straight I did some research after I posted and realized I was wrong about the conviction thing, which actually makes me feel a little better about my concerns about the thought of citizens being charged and convicted in secret, but it raises another interesting point depending on the timeline of events. If indeed these secret pardon rumors are true, It would imply that the president had knowledge of these crimes. If the secret pardons were granted before any of the individuals had been otherwise accused of the crimes for which they were pardoned, by pardoning them Obama would be implicating himself at minimum as having knowledge and looking the other way, if not as being involved directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Chandemonium said: While y’all were setting me straight I did some research after I posted and realized I was wrong about the conviction thing, which actually makes me feel a little better about my concerns about the thought of citizens being charged and convicted in secret, but it raises another interesting point depending on the timeline of events. If indeed these secret pardon rumors are true, It would imply that the president had knowledge of these crimes. If the secret pardons were granted before any of the individuals had been otherwise accused of the crimes for which they were pardoned, by pardoning them Obama would be implicating himself at minimum as having knowledge and looking the other way, if not as being involved directly. I don’t doubt a lot of strange stuff has gone down in the history of the US. secret pardons, if required, are better off not being broadcast, and I doubt it happened Ford’s pardon of Nixon is the most notorious pardon to date, an event not forgotten by anyone alive at the time, right up there with the moon landing for memories. Edited February 10, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Foxx said: Part I: The Enemy Within Well worth the time to read, and re-read. Two more parts coming. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 2 hours ago, row_33 said: I don’t doubt a lot of strange stuff has gone down in the history of the US. secret pardons, if required, are better off not being broadcast, and I doubt it happened Ford’s pardon of Nixon is the most notorious pardon to date, an event not forgotten by anyone alive at the time, right up there with the moon landing for memories. I would not doubt the likelihood of secret pardons, not in the least. Seems tailor made to suit the psychology of political elites, and would seem to have broad appeal to both major parties. The interesting question for me would be If a secret pardon existed, would Trump be able and willing to declassify and reveal the details? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I would not doubt the likelihood of secret pardons, not in the least. Seems tailor made to suit the psychology of political elites, and would seem to have broad appeal to both major parties. The interesting question for me would be If a secret pardon existed, would Trump be able and willing to declassify and reveal the details? How is one convicted of a secret non-impeachment crime again the United States, and then get pardoned and nobody knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, row_33 said: How is one convicted of a secret non-impeachment crime again the United States, and then get pardoned and nobody knows? You're badgering the witness!!! it seems to me we live in a world of uneasy political alliances, where each party allows members of the other party to get away with certain indiscretions that regular folks would not. See Eliot Spitzer, for example. I think the ruling class treats some of these issues under the theory that if one side pushes hard for conviction/jail time, they know it's just a matter of time before the pendulum swings back. Thus, under the theory of mutually assured destruction, things slide. It seems a logical next step to a formalized, keep it quiet for the good of the nation (or whatever) and you do yours, we'll do ours. as for the secret pardon dealio, who knows? I guess my point was it would not surprise me in the least. Then again maybe I've watched too many Soprano episodes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: You're badgering the witness!!! it seems to me we live in a world of uneasy political alliances, where each party allows members of the other party to get away with certain indiscretions that regular folks would not. See Eliot Spitzer, for example. I think the ruling class treats some of these issues under the theory that if one side pushes hard for conviction/jail time, they know it's just a matter of time before the pendulum swings back. Thus, under the theory of mutually assured destruction, things slide. It seems a logical next step to a formalized, keep it quiet for the good of the nation (or whatever) and you do yours, we'll do ours. as for the secret pardon dealio, who knows? I guess my point was it would not surprise me in the least. Then again maybe I've watched too many Soprano episodes. It doesn’t happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: It doesn’t happen. But if they're secret...then how would you know? The fact that you think secret pardons don't happen just demonstrates how secret they really are. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, DC Tom said: But if they're secret...then how would you know? The fact that you think secret pardons don't happen just demonstrates how secret they really are. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!! Ford and Nixon was Bizzaro-World enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrecrazed Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Don't they have to be found guilty and sentenced before they can be pardoned? I mean, it makes no sense, these people aren't even charged with anything to this point. Also, wouldn't a pardon just tell investigators where to look? It would be an admission of guilt at the very least. I would think that if it were true, it would all be out in the public by now. With the investigation unable to go anywhere, why not just blow it all open and let the public know? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 8 hours ago, sabrecrazed said: Don't they have to be found guilty and sentenced before they can be pardoned? I mean, it makes no sense, these people aren't even charged with anything to this point. Also, wouldn't a pardon just tell investigators where to look? It would be an admission of guilt at the very least. I would think that if it were true, it would all be out in the public by now. With the investigation unable to go anywhere, why not just blow it all open and let the public know? Again Ford pardoned Nixon of all possible scenarios before any charges commenced. the reality is better than anything kooks can dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, row_33 said: Again Ford pardoned Nixon of all possible scenarios before any charges commenced. the reality is better than anything kooks can dream Yes, but that was the public pardon. The secret pardon was in case Nixon broke his MKULTRA programming and started talking about the dolphins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 10 hours ago, sabrecrazed said: Don't they have to be found guilty and sentenced before they can be pardoned? I mean, it makes no sense, these people aren't even charged with anything to this point. Also, wouldn't a pardon just tell investigators where to look? It would be an admission of guilt at the very least. I would think that if it were true, it would all be out in the public by now. With the investigation unable to go anywhere, why not just blow it all open and let the public know? There have already been people found guilty, like Roger Stone's and Trump's buddy Paul Manafort who is still lying about Russia and Trump. Why would he be still lying even though it might mean more jail time? Whitaker said he saw something about pardons at the DOJ. Hmmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: There have already been people found guilty, like Roger Stone's and Trump's buddy Paul Manafort who is still lying about Russia and Trump. Why would he be still lying even though it might mean more jail time? Whitaker said he saw something about pardons at the DOJ. Hmmmm... I posted some bull#### about Nixon, MKULTRA, and dolphins, and it took you all of 15 minutes to out-stupid it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: I posted some bull#### about Nixon, MKULTRA, and dolphins, and it took you all of 15 minutes to out-stupid it. He's slipping. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I posted some bull#### about Nixon, MKULTRA, and dolphins, and it took you all of 15 minutes to out-stupid it. Quiet you. I don't care what garbage you post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrecrazed Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: There have already been people found guilty, like Roger Stone's and Trump's buddy Paul Manafort who is still lying about Russia and Trump. Why would he be still lying even though it might mean more jail time? Whitaker said he saw something about pardons at the DOJ. Hmmmm... This has nothing to do with my post. It has nothing to do with anything really. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: There have already been people found guilty, like Roger Stone's and Trump's buddy Paul Manafort who is still lying about Russia and Trump. Why would he be still lying even though it might mean more jail time? Whitaker said he saw something about pardons at the DOJ. Hmmmm... Hey Gleeful Gator, what crimes has Roger Stone been found guilty of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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