Warren Zevon Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Foxx said: Interesting.#Flynndicated should have not plead guilty - would have avoided this entire mess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) Yeah, it's Flynn's fault. He's to blame for this whole mucky-muck...not the guys trying to frame him. Edited May 13, 2020 by 32ABBA 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, 32ABBA said: Yeah, it's Flynn's fault. He's to blame for this whole mucky-muck...not the guys trying to frame him. His original defense team deserves some fault as well. 50/50 between them both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Imma punch back here and use democrat tactics: Judge Sullivan is a racist ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Warren Zevon said: Interesting.#Flynndicated should have not plead guilty - would have avoided this entire mess. His original lawyers were either lazy of crooked. Bad representation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: His original lawyers were either lazy of crooked. Bad representation. No, they just understood he was guilty as charged 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: No, they just understood he was guilty as charged Or, maybe they believed a guilty plea was best, in lieu of a trial, when the FBI presented a case in which the evidence was of their own creation, with no oversight, and no way to prove it was not the truth.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 33 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: His original lawyers were either lazy of crooked. Bad representation. Don’t bother with facts. They’ve chosen, chosen, to remain willfully ignorant. Because they’re more interested in protecting the criminals and subverting the republic than they are restoring it. ***** all of them. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Or, maybe they believed a guilty plea was best, in lieu of a trial, when the FBI presented a case in which the evidence was of their own creation, with no oversight, and no way to prove it was not the truth.... and threatened to go after his son. FTFTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Or, maybe they believed a guilty plea was best, in lieu of a trial, when the FBI presented a case in which the evidence was of their own creation, with no oversight, and no way to prove it was not the truth.... Too bad you can't agree with the fact he just shouldn't have lied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 I agree, the Obama administration should not have lied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Too bad you can't agree with the fact he just shouldn't have lied. Too bad you have no concern when a respected agency like the FBI was coopted by Mueller and his protégés for personal use in trampling the rights of US citizens.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Too bad you have no concern when a respected agency like the FBI was coopted by Mueller and his protégés for personal use in trampling the rights of US citizens.... So it's good he lied to prosecutors, then? Should all defendants lie to all prosecutors, or just ones that might investigate your hero? Lying as a positive good, lol, that's funny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 56 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: His original lawyers were either lazy of crooked. Bad representation. So put together some papers and push the ineffective assistance of counsel angle. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So it's good he lied to prosecutors, then? Should all defendants lie to all prosecutors, or just ones that might investigate your hero? Lying as a positive good, lol, that's funny WTF are you talking about? So, it's good that the FBI lied to the courts and to prosecutors, then? Should it be OK for the FBI to lie to all courts and prosecutors when it is against someone you don't like? Edited May 13, 2020 by billsfan1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, billsfan1959 said: WTF are you talking about? So, it's good that the FBI lied to the courts and to prosecutors, then? Should it be OK for the FBI lie to all courts and prosecutors when it is against someone you don't like? You are changing the subject. Flynn lied and got busted. Should Flynn have lied or not. I say no. You say that lying to investigators is ok because you don't like them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: So, he's looking for an appellate smack-down? Or, is he hoping some of the #resistance folks do something stupid? Or, do the #resistance folks have something on Sullivan? Or... I got nuthin'... I know that you're an expert, so this probably comes as no surprise, but the question whether to allow a defendant to withdraw a plea typically rests within the discretion of the court of first instance. And where, as here, there's nothing in the plea allocution to call Flynn's guilt into question, well . . . don't hold your breath waiting for an "appellate smack-down." 41 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Or, maybe they believed a guilty plea was best, in lieu of a trial, when the FBI presented a case in which the evidence was of their own creation, with no oversight, and no way to prove it was not the truth.... People plead guilty for lots of different reasons. But the fact remains here that Flynn, not the lawyers, chose to plead guilty. If the evidence was trash, as you say, then it's tough to explain why Flynn didn't carry the mantle of truth to trial. 5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: WTF are you talking about? So, it's good that the FBI lied to the courts and to prosecutors, then? Should it be OK for the FBI to lie to all courts and prosecutors when it is against someone you don't like? Hoax. Based on Flynn's admissions Flynn is the one who lied. More comments like that one will get you on the Hoax List, sir. Edited May 13, 2020 by SectionC3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, Tiberius said: You are changing the subject. Flynn lied and got busted. Should Flynn have lied or not. I say no. You say that lying to investigators is ok because you don't like them Actually, any "evidence" that Flynn lied was from a corrupt investigation. So, in essence, you are ok with the FBI running corrupt investigations and manufacturing cases against US citizens? Please, answer the question about the FBI's role in this 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: So put together some papers and push the ineffective assistance of counsel angle. Good luck! Already happened. And they got the discovery to prove it happened two weeks ago. Thank you for proving that you don't know the facts of this story, but are just happy to regurgitate talking points which are FAKE. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Hoax. Based on Flynn's admissions Flynn is the one who lied. Right, another one who has no problem with the FBI manipulating evidence, manufacturing probable cause, and lying to prosecutors and courts, all to target US citizens for political purposes.... But you are outraged over the case being dismissed against one of those US citizens. Got it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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