CommonCents Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) I think we all need to face facts, Whaley destroyed that draft, picked the wrong player after trading up (should have been Mack), and now the franchise is suffering for it. So many of us at the time berated the move as idiotic, especially in a deep WR draft. Trading up for Watkins to help out the previous draft's reach of a QB, it's so very plain to see why the Bills have sucked for so long... Watkins will go down as another Buffalo Bills draft bust unfortunately. I'm glad McNoggin has the guts to not pick up the option and to move on from the frail player that Watkins is. I'd say staying put and taking Evans would have been the correct move, one could make the same argument for Odell. Hot take alert, Evans is on his way to becoming the most productive receiver for the foreseeable future. Edited May 5, 2017 by Commonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I'd say staying put and taking Evans would have been the correct move, one could make the same argument for Odell. Hot take alert, Evans is on his way to becoming the most productive receiver for the foreseeable future. Evans was taken before the original Bills pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I'd say staying put and taking Evans would have been the correct move, one could make the same argument for Odell. Hot take alert, Evans is on his way to becoming the most productive receiver for the foreseeable future. Evans was gone before the 9th pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Oh snap, guess I have been drinking too much celebrating Whaley's departure. Well I guess that makes the case for Odell and keeping the other first rounder. Evans is going to surpass Julio and AB this season or next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 5, 2017 Author Share Posted May 5, 2017 Oh snap, guess I have been drinking too much celebrating Whaley's departure. Well I guess that makes the case for Odell and keeping the other first rounder. Evans is going to surpass Julio and AB this season or next. Can't see that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Vic Carucci "has doubts" Bills are motivated to extend contract-year WR Sammy Watkins, even after the season: http://buffalonews.com/2017/05/05/vic-caruccis-bills-mailbag-watkins-adding-ownerships-voice-backfield-depth-questions/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Oh snap, guess I have been drinking too much celebrating Whaley's departure. Well I guess that makes the case for Odell and keeping the other first rounder. Evans is going to surpass Julio and AB this season or next. Yes, but I hate draft analysis where you can use hindsight to find the best players. It makes every GM look bad. I think you can attack poor decision making but it needs to be within reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Can't see that at all. That's why it's HOT! Continued improvement from Evans and Winston will close the gap and the inevitable slowing of the other two will be when he passes them. Julio is always banged up, buisness can't always be Booming for AB. Yes, but I hate draft analysis where you can use hindsight to find the best players. It makes every GM look bad. I think you can attack poor decision making but it needs to be within reason. Right. Even as an LSU fan I didn't see Odell's game translating this well to the NFL. I don't think anyone did. Most of the talk was Martin, Ebron, Evans if I remember correctly. I wasn't on this board then though, so I don't know what people around here thought. I was just saying I would have preferred Odell over that trade up for Mack/Watkins etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 5, 2017 Author Share Posted May 5, 2017 That's why it's HOT! Continued improvement from Evans and Winston will close the gap and the inevitable slowing of the other two will be when he passes them. Julio is always banged up, buisness can't always be Booming for AB. With DJax and OJ Howard on board his production might actually be lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) Oh snap, guess I have been drinking too much celebrating Whaley's departure. Well I guess that makes the case for Odell and keeping the other first rounder. Evans is going to surpass Julio and AB this season or next. Yes, it appears so. Not that there's a problem with that. Edited May 5, 2017 by stony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Vic Carucci "has doubts" Bills are motivated to extend contract-year WR Sammy Watkins, even after the season: http://buffalonews.com/2017/05/05/vic-caruccis-bills-mailbag-watkins-adding-ownerships-voice-backfield-depth-questions/ Not buying his supposition that if he has a big year....say 1500yds and 10-12tds.....that he is not tagged or extended after the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Vic Carucci "has doubts" Bills are motivated to extend contract-year WR Sammy Watkins, even after the season: http://buffalonews.com/2017/05/05/vic-caruccis-bills-mailbag-watkins-adding-ownerships-voice-backfield-depth-questions/ Well the way he has played he is barely worth 5m on a one year deal let alone 10-12m on a long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) With DJax and OJ Howard on board his production might actually be lower. Winston spreads it around to everyone else but it's clear Evans is his favorite. I would be surprised if Howard's production is better than Brate's was. He had 57 catches for 660 and 8 touchdowns. DJax's attempts should replace what Vjax would have been expected to do. Both of those guys are similar, they are always banged up. Edited May 5, 2017 by Commonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Yes, it appears so. Not that there's a problem with that. If the target trend continues, he will. As I've said over and over on this board: the biggest predictor of WR production, by far, is quantity of targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 If the target trend continues, he will. As I've said over and over on this board: the biggest predictor of WR production, by far, is quantity of targets. That's fair. Were you high on Evans in that draft? I wasn't, not at all! One of my bigger misses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 That's fair. Were you high on Evans in that draft? I wasn't, not at all! One of my bigger misses. I do give you credit for calling the Ragland trade up for what it was, pure stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 That's fair. Were you high on Evans in that draft? I wasn't, not at all! One of my bigger misses. I had Evans as a top-6 pick in that draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Yes, but I hate draft analysis where you can use hindsight to find the best players. It makes every GM look bad. I think you can attack poor decision making but it needs to be within reason. I agree with this, though it is within reason to say Sammy's year was regarded as a deep WR class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Right. Even as an LSU fan I didn't see Odell's game translating this well to the NFL. I don't think anyone did. Apparently, the Giants did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 5, 2017 Author Share Posted May 5, 2017 If Sammy stays healthy and gets targets he will be among the best in the league this year. If they don't pay him after that, McDermott will be setting himself up for failure as did the coaches and GMs before him throughout the drought. You need good talent to be a good coach in this league. Yep. No matter how good any scheme is you still need talented players to win. I hope McDermott isn't one of those guys who has no room for creative and talented people who might cast a bigger shadow than he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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