3rdand12 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I'm from Utica. Get r done Pegs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Yeah, it's hard to imagine how anyone could think Whaley should be fired. http://publicrecords.onlinesearches.com/view/lid/77975 After all, the team's been so successful under his stewardship. Tom, if not having won world championships means you can't complain, I'll expect not to hear any more sourness from you or anyone else around here. If you can't complain as a fan of a team that's gone this many years without hitting the playoffs, with a GM with this level of success, you should pretty much never complain. And I say that as a person who has enjoyed your posts for years. Whaley deserves everything he gets and more. Clicks mean absolutely nothing to Sully. Plenty of sites out there it means a lot, but for the News, absolutely nothing. They use a subscription system. Their money comes from people subscribing to receive their stories. The News actually limits the number of stories you can read without subscribing. They clearly would't do this if they gave a crap about clicks. Pretty much all newspapers these days have switched to this system. The "it's only for clicks" argument simply is no longer relevant for most newspapers and certainly the Buffalo News. They make money when people like their writers enough to sign up for digital and newsprint subscriptions. Sully is still here because he's good at his job. Not that that means you have to like him, but he's good. You're wrong. You're right that papers are subscription based and for the most part, always have been. However in the modern newsroom their are wide-screen monitors with real time data of which stories are being read - at least for the online readers. Editors keep close watch and reporters hope their stories get enough clicks to be ranked near the top that day. If your stories are frequently on the bottom of the list, there are consequences. Clicks matter. Dont click on Jerry Sullivan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Look at all the discussion bozo Jerry is creating. Controversial post creates clicks. I see the name and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Look at all the discussion bozo Jerry is creating. Controversial post creates clicks. I see the name and move on. Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) You're wrong. You're right that papers are subscription based and for the most part, always have been. However in the modern newsroom their are wide-screen monitors with real time data of which stories are being read - at least for the online readers. Editors keep close watch and reporters hope their stories get enough clicks to be ranked near the top that day. If your stories are frequently on the bottom of the list, there are consequences. Clicks matter. Dont click on Jerry Sullivan. Here's an easy one for you--do you think he gets more clicks by people who agree with him or who disagree with him? And why do "clicks" have any bearing on what he wrote? He's been writing like this for decades. This "click bait" argument is weak... Edited March 26, 2017 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Wow, another rant about a Sully piece. And without a link. These BBMB guys don't miss a thing... Please don't lump us all together. We are not all bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) Lets look at Whaley's track record since everything is speculation 2013 Draft EJ Manuel- awful player also not on the team anymore 4 years after being drafted Robert Woods-not on the team anymore Kiko Alonso-not on the team anymore Marquise Goodwin-not on the team anymore Duke Williams- awful player not on the team anymore Jonathan Meeks-bad player Dustin Hopkins- not on the team anymore Chris Gragg- average player so if the 2013 draft we walked away with Gragg's and Meeks because thats all thats left 2014 Sammy Watkins- good player but didn't need to trade away the farm in a strong WR class Cyrus Kouandjio- wasnt able to play till last year a team in a drought doesnt need projects in round 2 Preston Brown- slow and doesnt do have any above average skill set Ross Cockrell-not on team Cyril Richardson-not on team Randell Johnson-not on team Seantrel Henderson- he's sick and that can't be blamed on anyone, get well young man So out of this draft we got a #1 WR and a slow linebacker that cant cover or stop the run, none of the other players contribute much on Sundays 2015 Ron Darby- wasn't good last year I'm hoping it was Rex's system since he was good as a rookie John Miller-average to above average Karlos Williams- not on the team Tony Steward- not on the team Nick O'leary- average player/ nice pick so deep into the draft Dezmin Lewis- Training Camp Warrior We got 2 starters and 1 backup out of this class 2016 Draft Class Shaq Lawson- drafted an injured player on a team that needs their 1st round picks Reggie Ragland- injured while playing unavoidable Adolphus Washington- ran out of gas but you cant judge a guy off of 1 season Cardale Jones- major project that looked awful when he played/ wait and see Jonathan Williams-fumble machine/ we have plenty of RBs so its not an issue Kolby Listenbee-? Kevon Seymour- gotta wait in see here so out of this draft class we got 1 starter last year, could be 3 or 4 this season depending on how they play and who we draft this season. When I look this over it doesn't look like a good job is being done drafting. Out of those 29 guys drafted SIX have contributed on the field for an entire season as a starter. Edited March 26, 2017 by Starr Almighty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) Here's an easy one for you--do you think he gets more clicks by people who agree with him or who disagree with him? And why do "clicks" have any bearing on what he wrote? He's been writing like this for decades. This "click bait" argument is weak... Sure the 17 is bad but we have had some good. In the slow season with not much going on overboard comments go a long way. So instead of arguing opinions... Let's agree to disagree. Starr The Kiko pick was a good one. If not for his injury we could have gotten more in trade for Shady. Trading young talent for one of the best RB's in the league was a great move. Edited March 26, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Lets look at Whaley's track record since everything is speculation 2013 Draft EJ Manuel- awful player also not on the team anymore 4 years after being drafted Robert Woods-not on the team anymore Kiko Alonso-not on the team anymore Marquise Goodwin-not on the team anymore Duke Williams- awful player not on the team anymore Jonathan Meeks-bad player Dustin Hopkins- not on the team anymore Chris Gragg- average player so if the 2013 draft we walked away with Gragg's and Meeks because thats all thats left 2014 Sammy Watkins- good player but didn't need to trade away the farm in a strong WR class Cyrus Kouandjio- wasnt able to play till last year a team in a drought doesnt need projects in round 2 Preston Brown- slow and doesnt do have any above average skill set Ross Cockrell-not on team Cyril Richardson-not on team Randell Johnson-not on team Seantrel Henderson- he's sick and that can't be blamed on anyone, get well young man So out of this draft we got a #1 WR and a slow linebacker that cant cover or stop the run, none of the other players contribute much on Sundays 2015 Ron Darby- wasn't good last year I'm hoping it was Rex's system since he was good as a rookie John Miller-average to above average Karlos Williams- not on the team Tony Steward- not on the team Nick O'leary- average player/ nice pick so deep into the draft Dezmin Lewis- Training Camp Warrior We got 2 starters and 1 backup out of this class 2016 Draft Class Shaq Lawson- drafted an injured player on a team that needs their 1st round picks Reggie Ragland- injured while playing unavoidable Adolphus Washington- ran out of gas but you cant judge a guy off of 1 season Cardale Jones- major project that looked awful when he played/ wait and see Jonathan Williams-fumble machine/ we have plenty of RBs so its not an issue Kolby Listenbee-? Kevon Seymour- gotta wait in see here so out of this draft class we got 1 starter last year, could be 3 or 4 this season depending on how they play and who we draft this season. When I look this over it doesn't look like a good job is being done drafting. Out of those 29 guys drafted SIX have contributed on the field for an entire season as a starter. Nix was GM for the 2013 draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) Here's an easy one for you--do you think he gets more clicks by people who agree with him or who disagree with him? And why do "clicks" have any bearing on what he wrote? He's been writing like this for decades. This "click bait" argument is weak... It doesn't matter good or bad. All they care about is that it's read. The writers with the highest read percentage are the golden boys. To stay on top they like to push the envelope towards the fringes. Short story, if you don't like the crap he writes, don't read him. In big enough numbers, it has impact as it is tracked.To your point, if enough people don't rwad him, click in him, it means he's losing relevance and may try a different angle instead of just bile. Edited March 26, 2017 by Green Lightning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Don't forget best backup in the league. We have the best backup in the league. Problem is, he's our starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) Nix was GM for the 2013 draft so Whaley was there for the free food and drink? Whaley loved Nix so much that he made it a point to fight for EJ for 4 years to defend Nix's honor. Please stop it. Whaley picked EJ and fought for his pick. Even if I were to agree with you Whaley didn't retain any of those guys, guess he wasn't the GM when their contracts expired. Edited March 26, 2017 by Starr Almighty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 The draft isn't the best way to build a winning team - it's to solve the riddle of finding a QB. He didn't do that in his 4 years as GM. He did build a great 4-3 defense and stocked the team decently with skilled offensive players. Rex obviously switched defenses and he tried his best to re-tool the defense for his wants/needs. It was a colossal failure and I put more of that on Rex than Whaley. Now we're switching back and that can't all be blamed on Whaley. The '14, '15 and '16 drafts have not been bad. I get that you don't like the trades but talent is on this team. That great 4-3 defense was built before Whaley was the GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 so Whaley was there for the free food and drink? Whaley loved Nix so much that he made it a point to fight for EJ for 4 years to defend Nix's honor. Please stop it. Whaley picked EJ and fought for his pick. Even if I were to agree with you Whaley didn't retain any of those guys, guess he wasn't the GM when their contracts expired. Look it up. Buddy Nix was GM at the time. Doesn't mean Whaley wasn't involved. But people should be factually accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Look it up. Buddy Nix was GM at the time. Doesn't mean Whaley wasn't involved. But people should be factually accurate. Look it up. Buddy knew he was handing the reigns down to Whaley months prior to the draft. Nix was the GM in title but he was there to help Whaley out in his 1st draft, Whaley wasn't in the back seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Look it up. Buddy knew he was handing the reigns down to Whaley months prior to the draft. Nix was the GM in title but he was there to help Whaley out in his 1st draft, Whaley wasn't in the back seat. You refuse to deal in fact. Nix was GM in 2013at the time of the draft. Nix also said before he retired he wanted to make sure he brought ina QB. Blame Whaley for staying with him too long , but he wasn't GM that draft. I have fact, you have conspiracy theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 You refuse to deal in fact. Nix was GM in 2013at the time of the draft. Nix also said before he retired he wanted to make sure he brought ina QB. Blame Whaley for staying with him too long , but he wasn't GM that draft. I have fact, you have conspiracy theory. No wonder the Pegulas find it so easy to swindle this fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 You refuse to deal in fact. Nix was GM in 2013at the time of the draft. Nix also said before he retired he wanted to make sure he brought ina QB. Blame Whaley for staying with him too long , but he wasn't GM that draft. I have fact, you have conspiracy theory. EJ was awful. Now that you know Whaley's character. Do you truly believe he would defend the EJ pick and fight tooth and nail for him? Or do you think Whaley would say EJ was Buddy's pick and throw him under the bus. Answer this question honestly with the action you have seen from Whaley. Nix was Whaley's training wheels for that draft, it happens in the corporate world all the time it's called training while on the job. Why is that so hard to see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 No wonder the Pegulas find it so easy to swindle this fanbase. they are swindling the fan base because conjecture rules the day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 It doesn't matter good or bad. All they care about is that it's read. The writers with the highest read percentage are the golden boys. To stay on top they like to push the envelope towards the fringes. Short story, if you don't like the crap he writes, don't read him. In big enough numbers, it has impact as it is tracked.To your point, if enough people don't rwad him, click in him, it means he's losing relevance and may try a different angle instead of just bile. What publisher has not cared about people reading their paper?? What kind of criticism is that? Your point seems to suggest that, throughout his career, each successive editor has assigned this role to Jerry Sullivan--the "negative take guy"---to sell papers. Come on..this is how he is. Clicks didn't make Jerry Sullivan. You have it exactly backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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