Virgil Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 From my understanding, we are in a much better cap situation next year. I don't normally like the idea of kicking the can down the road, but is there any reason we can't re-structure Dareus, Glenn, and maybe Kyle to get some cap relief this year and dump some into next year? I'm genuinely worried about the amount of holes we need to fill. If we freed up even another 10-15 mil, we could keep a Gilmore, sign a Torrey Smith, RT, and keep a Brown. I'm also a fan of keeping TT, but that's not what this is abour. The draft would handle he rest and I think we stay competitive this year. Don't focus on who I want to keep. I just want to know if this is a possible idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art in PNS Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Glenn is easy , and I am sure they will do that as needed to free up $$$$, Dareus not so much with his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Not sure about Glenn as he just recently signed his extension, and I thought this was Kyles last year on his current deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 Not sure about Glenn as he just recently signed his extension, and I thought this was Kyles last year on his current deal? I can't say I really get the options we have with these guys. If Kyle in his last year and making 7 mil. Can't you just re-sign him to a one year deal for 1 mil with a 7 mil bonus? Didn't Brady and Brees do stuff like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Chris T did this analysis somewhere else on the web. Glenn saves $7.5M on this year's cap Dareus saves $7.2M on this year's cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I can't say I really get the options we have with these guys. If Kyle in his last year and making 7 mil. Can't you just re-sign him to a one year deal for 1 mil with a 7 mil bonus? Didn't Brady and Brees do stuff like this? I think you would have to sign him to an extension and then convert this years money to a signing bonus so it becomes guaranteed but can also spread it out across the length of the contract. So if by your example, they sign a 1 yr extension with the next year base at 1 mil and convert the 6 of the 7 this year to a signing bonus, the cap hit would be 4 this year and 4 next year (1mil base 3 mil bonus cap hit). I am not an expert but that is how it would work I think, so it would save 3 this year (4 instead of 7) but then you are adding 4 to next year Chris T did this analysis somewhere else on the web. Glenn saves $7.5M on this year's cap Dareus saves $7.2M on this year's cap Is this if they are cut? What savings are you talking about? The OP I believe was talking about restructuring not cutting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Is this if they are cut? What savings are you talking about? The OP I believe was talking about restructuring not cutting No, if they are restructured. The savings is how much lower their cap hit would be this year than if we left the deal as is (restructuring is just kicking the money down the timeline, it'll be accounted for eventually). You are correct in your belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 No, if they are restructured. The savings is how much lower their cap hit would be this year than if we left the deal as is (restructuring is just kicking the money down the timeline, it'll be accounted for eventually). You are correct in your belief. Ah ok, I didn't see that by Chris T then, but good info to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat Richie Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Exactly who are they going to free up money for? Free agents that could really help (if there are any) are going to be overpaid anyway. Isn't that how you get into a cap mess in th first place? Sign your own, that you want to keep, and focus on the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Ah ok, I didn't see that by Chris T then, but good info to know! I guess the actual analysis wasn't done by Chris T, but he referenced it and the numbers in his 'If I were GM' bit. I PM'd you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Do we really need to have these players restructure? Someone on this board, I forget who, posted that next year the Bills could be $50 million under the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 Assuming we keep TT, we need to need to re-sign or get FA's for: Gilmore/DB S RT Brown-Brown/MLB Lorax - OLB WR2, WR3 If I'm not mistaken, we have one of the least cap space with the most players available for FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSJayDee Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I would think Kyle would be the best option. He's on the last yr of his contract, w/ a high salary (~$8m?). Extend him a yr or two, give him a ~$6m bonus (I think there's a limit as to how much you can reduce your salary in a renegotiation. He gets his $ & the team gets to defer some of his cap hit forward. Good chance this will be his last yr either cuz he'll want to retire or cuz we won't think he'll be worth his salary/cap hit. Actually, pleasantly surprised he wasn't (or hasn't yet been) released yet this yr. Darius would seem imprudent. His deadcap $ is already so high (~$30m), it's highly impractical to cut or trade him. Extending it would just make the situation worse in the future & he's (arguably) already under performing his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I can't say I really get the options we have with these guys. If Kyle in his last year and making 7 mil. Can't you just re-sign him to a one year deal for 1 mil with a 7 mil bonus? Didn't Brady and Brees do stuff like this? then where is the cap savings? You normally spread bonus over the length of the contract. Hard to do with a 1 year deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 then where is the cap savings? You normally spread bonus over the length of the contract. Hard to do with a 1 year deal Just moves it from cap to bonus. Most players won't like it because of the lack of security. But again, I thought Brady did it. And the bonus money doesn't hit the cap the same way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just moves it from cap to bonus. Most players won't like it because of the lack of security. But again, I thought Brady did it. And the bonus money doesn't hit the cap the same way Players don't mind because the bonus is paid up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just moves it from cap to bonus. Most players won't like it because of the lack of security. But again, I thought Brady did it. And the bonus money doesn't hit the cap the same way But it's still only a 1 year contract....You can't spread a $7M bonus with only a 1 year deal....you need to add extra years to do this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just moves it from cap to bonus. Most players won't like it because of the lack of security. But again, I thought Brady did it. And the bonus money doesn't hit the cap the same way Bonus money is spread over the contract - If it's a 1 year deal, it's all this season. You need at least 2 years to spread out the bonus to get cap relief, but next year he has no salary, so there needs to be more money involved . He's a tough one to redo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 From my understanding, we are in a much better cap situation next year. I don't normally like the idea of kicking the can down the road, but is there any reason we can't re-structure Dareus, Glenn, and maybe Kyle to get some cap relief this year and dump some into next year? I'm genuinely worried about the amount of holes we need to fill. If we freed up even another 10-15 mil, we could keep a Gilmore, sign a Torrey Smith, RT, and keep a Brown. I'm also a fan of keeping TT, but that's not what this is abour. The draft would handle he rest and I think we stay competitive this year. Don't focus on who I want to keep. I just want to know if this is a possible idea. Glenn yes DO NOT I Reapeat DO NOT kick Dareus contract dont the road. Just moves it from cap to bonus. Most players won't like it because of the lack of security. But again, I thought Brady did it. And the bonus money doesn't hit the cap the same way Umm on a 1 year deal as described yes it does Bonus money is spread over the contract - If it's a 1 year deal, it's all this season. You need at least 2 years to spread out the bonus to get cap relief, but next year he has no salary, so there needs to be more money involved . He's a tough one to redo. Only way to do it at this point is really cut him and bring him right back in a 2-3 year deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 I can't say I really get the options we have with these guys. If Kyle in his last year and making 7 mil. Can't you just re-sign him to a one year deal for 1 mil with a 7 mil bonus? Didn't Brady and Brees do stuff like this? Easier to kiss a few million goodbye when you're making 24-25. And what leverage do they have over Dareus that he would agree to restructure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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