The Trump Economy

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The_Dude]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well there’s no doubt of Moussolini’s socialist roots. 

 

Just going off what I remember his father was a devout Marxist. Moussolini worked as editor(s) of socialist news papers. He was a scoundrel, a rapist, and a thug. He was anti WWI when it broke out. I’m pretty sure he dodged the draft. Then he supported Italy’s involvement in the war as he turned from socialist to fascist. He then began demanding Italy become an empire again and reform its former glory which is why the Ethiopia thing came up after. And while that definitely gives a lot to Moussolini’s thinking, I reject the idea that fascism is a leftist ideology. Maybe influenced. But, ya give and take. Even Bismarck was influenced by liberal/socialist politics to an extent — but that doesn’t make Bismarck a ‘liberal/democrat.’ 

 

I LOVE Voltaire. If I’m remembering correctly that was in reference to the church. Candide is a favorite of mine. Why? If ya don’t know anything about him he was a famous smartass who was always mocking the church and tradition, and basically everybody else he liked flipping the bird to. Today we remember him as wise?

Edited October 2, 2018 by The_Dude

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[The_Dude]

https://www.vox.com/2018/10/3/17930092/usmca-nafta-trump-trade-deal-explained

 

"The US, Canada, and Mexico struck a new trade deal to replace NAFTA on Sunday. It’s known as the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, or USMCA. The three countries reached a consensus after more than a year of talks, which began after President Donald Trump made good on his campaign promise to renegotiate the nearly 25-year-old agreement.

It’s basically NAFTA 2.0, with major changes on cars and new policies on labor and environmental standards, intellectual property protections, and some digital trade provisions.

Here are the biggest changes:

• Country of origin rules: Automobiles must have 75 percent of their components manufactured in Mexico, the US, or Canada to qualify for zero tariffs (up from 62.5 percent under NAFTA).
• Labor provisions: 40 to 45 percent of automobile parts have to be made by workers who earn at least $16 an hour by 2023. Mexico has also agreed to pass laws giving workers the right to union representation, extend labor protections to migrant workers, and protect women from discrimination. The countries can also sanction one another for labor violations.
• US farmers get more access to the Canadian dairy market: The US got Canada to open up its dairy market to US farmers, which was a big issue for Trump.
• Intellectual property and digital trade: The deal extends the terms of copyright to 70 years beyond the life of the author (up from 50). It also extends the period that a pharmaceutical drug can be protected from generic competition.

It also includes new provisions to deal with the digital economy, including prohibiting duties on things like music and e-books, and protections for internet companies so they’re not liable for content their users produce.

• No section 232 tariff protections: Section 232 is a trade loophole that Trump has used to impose steel and aluminum tariffs on Canada, Mexico, and the European Union. Both Canada and Mexico wanted protections from these tariffs, but they didn’t get them. They did get the US to make a side agreement that protects them from possible auto tariffs under 232, though.
• Sunset clause: The agreement puts in a 16-year “sunset” clause — meaning the terms of the agreement expire, or “sunset,” after a set period of time. The deal is also subject to a review every six years, at which point the US, Mexico, and Canada can decide to extend USMCA.

USMCA has been negotiated — now it needs to get approved

Trump, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, and Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto have to sign the agreement, which they plan to do before Peña Nieto leaves office at the end of November (perhaps at the G20 summit in Buenos Aires that month).

But the deal still needs to be ratified by all three governments. Canada and Mexico will likely do so. The real question is the US. Congress likely won’t consider any agreement until 2019, and if the Democrats take control of the House or Senate in the midterms next month, they might be reluctant to give the president a win."

 

 

For anybody interested in an agreement that begs to be summarized. 

 

Looks pretty good from my standpoint. 

Edited October 3, 2018 by The_Dude

[Deranged Rhino]

Getting your information from Vox. Always a good choice.  

[DC Tom]

3 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

Labor provisions: 40 to 45 percent of automobile parts have to be made by workers who earn at least $16 an hour by 2023. Mexico has also agreed to pass laws giving workers the right to union representation, extend labor protections to migrant workers, and protect women from discrimination. The countries can also sanction one another for labor violations.

 

That's huge, in so many ways.

[LB3]

Vox? Really? 

[TakeYouToTasker]

On ‎10‎/‎02‎/‎2018 at 8:49 AM, The_Dude said:

 

Lol, you care waaaaaaay too much about what an internet message board thinks of you. No successful person would. It doesn't fit. You're most likely a 30 year old schmuck, chain smoking cigarettes in moms basement.

 

 

There's no doubt. 

 

1. Yes you are a "Trump guy." The only people who follow the incell known as Q are 'Trump guys.'

2. Who cares if you're devoutly anti-fascist if you're not devoutly republican. Trump is NOT a republican, as in 'one who promotes the idea of a representative government.' Trump is obviously an authoritarian who's annoyed by the constraints of our republic. 

 

 

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You are far too stupid to carry on any kind of rational conversation with.

 

If it helps you to picture me as "a 30 year old schmuck, chain smoking cigarettes in moms basement", by all means do so; but then stop to remember that you're constantly getting your ass kicked by someone you believe that describes.

 

That's even more hilarious than your prior volley in which you attempted to insult me by saying I know how to quickly retrieve and source information in order to make a coherent and convincing argument.

 

Do you ever even stop to think before you type?

[Deranged Rhino]

5 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

Vox? Really? 

 

It's amazing. 

 

But answers why a man of his staggering intellect doesn't know what a progressive fascist is.

[The_Dude]

10 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

Vox? Really? 

 

I have no idea what Vox is, but I made Googles and it provided a good article. 

[Deranged Rhino]

"I have no idea what the source of the information is that I'm parroting, but because Google says it's okay I turned off my own critical thinking and gobbled it down without question, like a good boy."

[TakeYouToTasker]

2 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

I have no idea what Vox is, but I made Googles and it provided a good article. 

 

Again, you are far too stupid to carry on any kind of rational conversation with.

[The_Dude]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

"I have no idea what the source of the information is that I'm parroting, but because Google says it's okay I turned off my own critical thinking and gobbled it down without question, like a good boy."

 

Dude, are you retarded?

 

Do I know what Vox is? A news source? Not sure. But they wrote an article and sourced it, so yeah, I'll go with that as opposed to reading the old NAFTA deal in its an entirety and then compare to the new deal in its an entirety?

 

Oh my god.  

18 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

That's huge, in so many ways.

 

I liked the uptick in the parts that had to be made withing USA/MEX/CAN.

 

Maybe manufacturing can come back?

[Buffalo_Gal]

4 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

I have no idea what Vox is, but I made Googles and it provided a good article. 

Let's just say Vox is extremely biased in their full-on progressive views. 

However, if it is simply a straightforward fact, IMO, the source should not matter. Facts are facts regardless of who reports them. It is when opinion gets intertwined with the facts, and the opinions are regurgitated as "facts" that there becomes an issue. And Vox has been doing that intertwining for many years. 

[Deranged Rhino]

"are you retarted" asks the guy who admits he doesn't know a source's veracity yet blindly believes every word of it without question because Google said so. 

 

This is why you aren't taken seriously. You continually prove you don't have the discipline, temperament, or baseline intelligence to hone your own discernment. 

[The_Dude]

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

Let's just say Vox is extremely biased in their full-on progressive views. 

However, if it is simply a straightforward fact, IMO, the source should not matter. Facts are facts regardless of who reports them. It is when opinion gets intertwined with the facts, and the opinions are regurgitated as "facts" that there becomes an issue. And Vox has been doing that intertwining for many years. 

 

Maybe they are, but I agree with you -- Huffpost race baits all the time, and they're as left as left gets, but when they produce something void of feelings and the content is pure facts, I'll roll with it. 

[Deranged Rhino]

It's a (dis)information war. A sure way to make sure you remain lost and out of touch with reality is to blindly outsource your own discernment and information gathering.

[The_Dude]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

"are you retarted" asks the guy who admits he doesn't know a source's veracity yet blindly believes every word of it without question because Google said so. 

 

This is why you aren't taken seriously. You continually prove you don't have the discipline, temperament, or baseline intelligence to hone your own discernment. 

 

Yes, you're an idiot. When something is published and sourced, I don't look up the current editor and all the information I can find about him and the company that produced the piece. I just roll with it if it's content is packed with facts, and if it's sourced. That's what I'm looking for....facts, sourced, and possibly peer reviewed. That's why I stick to news sources, and your dumb, white trash butt sticks to Q News Central. 

[Deranged Rhino]

That's why you're hilariously under-informed and constantly making an ass out of yourself. You take what should be viewed as a helpful (if goading) tip and turn it into something else entirely... while bungling it completely. 

 

You admitted you don't know the source, yet posted it without a hint of irony (while ignoring the actual text of the deal posted days ago and calling others retards for doing basic due diligence) - you did this because you're lazy and don't have the discipline to hone your own discernment about what's happening in the world of media today.

 

It's a war. You're a combatant in it as we all are. What you're advocating (gleefully) is to completely ignore that reality in favor of intellectual laziness. That's why you're so woefully uninformed on basic issues of the day.

 

It'd be sad if it wasn't so funny.  

[The_Dude]

18 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

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You are far too stupid to carry on any kind of rational conversation with.

 

If it helps you to picture me as "a 30 year old schmuck, chain smoking cigarettes in moms basement", by all means do so; but then stop to remember that you're constantly getting your ass kicked by someone you believe that describes.

 

That's even more hilarious than your prior volley in which you attempted to insult me by saying I know how to quickly retrieve and source information in order to make a coherent and convincing argument.

 

Do you ever even stop to think before you type?

 

First, have you ever had your ass kicked? I have. But, never on the internet. I've had my ass kicked boxing, fighting, and doing MMA things....but NEVER on the internet.

I have no idea what you're babbling about. I love how you use 'volley.' Did wanna use something like "sortie?" Either way, I would NEVER challenge you to an internet-sourcing thing because I don't care to do that, and I know you do. You love spending hours doing internet things on this very important message board because you're clearly a successful person.