The Deep State War Heats Up :ph34r:

[Warren Zevon]

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Deranged Rhino]

Gee -- makes you wonder why it wasn't a law before

(until you look into the foster care system, CPS, and the other institutions rotten to its core by this kind of evil)

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Gee -- makes you wonder why it wasn't a law before

(until you look into the foster care system, CPS, and the other institutions rotten to its core by this kind of evil)

 

Come on, how could it not be illegal before this?

 

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Come on, how could it not be illegal before this?

 

 

Because consent in Georgia is 16. ***** up

[Deranged Rhino]

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Once again showing his true colors. Any chance he gets to defend child abusers he can't pass up.

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

It's the reason they needed to pass the law. Facts are hard, I know. 

[Deranged Rhino]

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Still missing the bigger point. Because his programming demands he defend those who traffic and abuse children. 

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

#TheGreatAwakening

[Deranged Rhino]

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There it is. First deflection and excuses. Now on to mocking a movement designed to help the most vulnerable in our world defend themselves from the worst kind of evil. 

 

Gary can't help but keep proving he's a bad person who supports literal evil. 

[Warren Zevon]

On 1/4/2017 at 11:34 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

(Full disclaimer: This is a long read. If I had more time, I would have written less. Skepticism is welcomed and encouraged, I'm not trying to preach to a choir nor posit speculation as fact -- the very nature of this topic demands speculation to some degree. Rather, I'm trying to start a conversation about a very serious subject that, no doubt, will be viewed by some as anything but. Discernment is the key, and to quote a far wiser man: 'it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.' Let the conversation begin...)

 

 

Introduction:

 

Since at least July of 2016 (and I would argue since at least 2011) the Deep State has clearly, and loudly, been at war with itself. This war has bled through to the mainstream in various ways and stories from the coverage of Brexit, to Trump's victory and its ensuing fallout, to the proxy wars in Syria and the Ukraine, to the build up of forces in the South China Sea. We've seen bold assassinations, blatant false flags, extensive disinformation campaigns, and at least two attempted coups originating from within the IC of the United States -- all within just the past three months.

 

As crazy as it's already been, recent weeks have seen a major uptick in the madness. There has been a clear and obvious escalation of this secret war, including the possible deployment of highly advanced, and highly secret, weaponry -- which would be a clear sign that the gloves have officially come off.

 

And this appears to just be the opening salvo... Things are about to get a whole lot nastier.

 

While this Deep State war is not being talked about in the mainstream media, nor is it acknowledged publicly by any heads of state, it is nonetheless the driving force of our current geopolitics and world events. Ignoring it, or denying its reality, binds us to a state of inaction and confusion. And inaction on this matter is death. Not just of the individual, but also of our principles.

 

We are currently at a major crossroads as a civilization, not just as a country or system of government, but as a people. The way forward can only be found if we are operating from a place of truth and kindness, not disinformation and fear. Much of that truth has been meticulously hidden from us and can only be found by doing the work yourself. No one is going to do the work for you. Not the mainstream media, not the alternative media, certainly not your elected officials and representatives -- they all have skin in this secret and ongoing war whether they know it or not. It requires a great deal of discernment, time, and patience to sort the fiction from the truth. All of which are dwindling commodities in our modern world filled with electronic distractions.

 

The aim of this thread is to cut through that disinformation and shine a light on the conflict going on behind the curtain. The powers that be have been stealing the planet out from under us for decades, slicing the pie up into smaller and smaller pieces between themselves. But now that there's no more pie left to slice, these factions have begun to turn on one another.

 

War isn't coming. It's already here and will only escalate as we move through 2017.

 

Despite this bleak declaration, there's actually a sliver of hope to be found. This infighting between factions of the Deep State has created an opening for us, the people, to finally retake control of our minds, cities, states, countries, and planet. But that requires us to realize the truth of our reality and the opportunity this conflict has presented us. We must stand together and loudly protest against those who wish to continue the decades of deceit and genocidal madness that's enriched the few at the expense of the many. Make no mistake, this is about "us versus them", but it's not about politics. It's not about republicans and democrats. It's not about race. It's not about creed or religion.

 

It's about the light versus the darkness.

 

This is as much of a spiritual battle as it is a physical one which is why bullets won't win this war, only love and truth shall prevail. Sounds cheesy and hippy-dippy, I know. But it doesn't make it any less accurate. You simply cannot get a positive from a negative.

 

There will be a great temptation to view one side of this shadow war as the "good guys" and one side as the "bad guys". Tribalism runs deep and has been a tool of these factions for centuries to keep us divided and ignorant. The truth is both sides are working against our better interests. There aren't white hats and black hats within the Deep State. There is, however, a growing number of worker bees within the Deep State who have had enough of the status quo and are taking advantage of this infighting to distribute the truth to the masses. A last minute penance of sorts. These are the only heroes in this fight and even they are anti-heroes at best.

 

None of what will follow is a condemnation of every single person in our cornerstone institutions or our national government, nor is it a call to burn the system down. It is merely a condemnation of the few giving the marching orders -- and those people are hardly publicly known and rarely operate out in the open. None of the following is meant to support the "west" or "the rest" or any such reductionist interpretation.

 

My side is with humanity as a whole and the unfiltered truth as best we can discern it.

 

The Players:

 

Before we can really dig in, we must first better define the Deep State and which factions are warring with which. The mistake most people make when researching the Deep State's existence is to assume it's monolithic in structure: one group of individuals behind the scenes working in concert to steer world events in their favor. This has never been true and has in fact been a tool used to keep people from taking this topic seriously. The Deep State is instead comprised of many competing factions whose interests often don't align other than their desire to remain in the shadows.

 

The Deep State is better described as a mafia with different families, each with their own agenda, methods, and means.

 

Put in the most simple form, the war we are witnessing today is an ideological one pitting the Unipolar Globalists against the Mulipolarists. Both of these ideological factions are themselves divided and comprised of a multitude of subsets with their own goals, and both of these factions are represented across multiple agencies, nations, and corporations around the globe. Trying to reduce them down to one nation, one ideology, one agency, or one controlling group would be a disservice to the truth and a waste of time.

 

Since the early 1990s, if not the early 1940s, the Unipolarist Globalist faction (Globalists for sake of brevity) of this Deep State mafia has been firmly in control. That wasn't a huge problem for any of the other competing mafias comprising the Deep State since there were more than enough spoils to go around. With the Globalists in charge and the other factions reduced to the role of remora fish, there were still plenty of profits to be had as the world's wealth and resources were systematically condensed into fewer and fewer hands over the course of the 20th century.

 

Yet, the pie can only be sliced so thin before some groups begin to feel left out.

 

The Globalist agenda stripped the wealth from the lower and middle classes systematically around the world, the most recent thievery taking place with the crash of '07. The events of '07 not only angered the population as austerity measures were forced on much of Europe and America, but they also reduced the amount of the peoples' disposable income. Income that had previously been funneled to other factions of this Deep State mafia in the form of recreational gambling, drugs, and other such vices.

 

Whether or not this dwindling pie was the motivation or whether it simply gave the other factions the opportunity to rebel against the Unipolarist ideology is anyone's guess at this time. However this war started, what is undeniable is that the Globalist faction is under severe attack from at least one other faction of the Deep State, if not multiple factions.

 

December 2016 -- The gloves came off:

 

As they've become increasingly more desperate, the Globalists have ratcheted up their war efforts and have been desperately trying to engineer a massive global kerfuffle to distract the general population and delay the inevitable. What we have witnessed over the past three weeks can be described as the Globalists' hail-mary to stave off annihilation.

 

Three recent news items make this case quite convincingly:

 

1) The assassination of NATO's auditor general on December 16th, 2016:

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/747259/NATO-Auditor-General-is-found-shot-dead-in-suspicious-circumstances

 

2) The assassination of Andrei Karlov on December 19th, 2016:

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/745321/Fethullah-Gulen-Andrei-Karlov-russian-ambassador-assassination-turkey-ankara

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/745348/russian-ambassador-ankara-turkey-nato-secret-service-putin-Frants-Klintsevich

 

3) The downing of a Russian airliner on December 25th, 2016:

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/black-sea-plane-crash-no-sign-explosion-tu-154-russian-n701116

 

On the surface these three events don't seem to be connected. But once you dig a bit deeper you will discover that in combination these three events represent a clear escalation of the Deep State's ongoing shadow war. Two of these stories, Karlov's assassination and the downing of Russian Tu-154, were reported widely in the western press.

 

The death of Chandelon was hardly mentioned at all. So, that's where we'll start:

 

Assassination #1...

 

In order to understand the Globalist methods, you first have to come to grips with the fact that this faction has been using the US military and intelligence complexes as its shell since the end of WWII. That's not to say this is where this faction started, merely where it's resided for the past half century. A unipolar global order demands a military force capable of projecting power anywhere on the planet. Since 1991 (really since 1944), the US has been the only country with the means and industry to make that possible.

 

Using the US military and IC as the tip of its spear, this Globalist faction has been funding and deploying terrorist operations against its enemies and allies alike since at least the 1950s, if not before. From Operation GLADIO to supporting the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, the evidence of this tactic is overwhelming and abundant. You can, in fact, trace the roots of modern jihadism back to the days between world wars wherein the Germans (pre-Nazism though the Nazis continued this work) were radicalizing young Muslims to attack British occupying forces in the ME. This tactic has been a valuable and often used tool in the Globalist toolkit and continues to this day.

 

This, for obvious reasons, is also one of the most controversial elements of the Deep State because it undercuts nearly everything we're told is truth in our day to day lives here in the US. ISIS, AQ, the Taliban are our enemies after all, there's no way the United States IC and Military would ever be involved, direct or indirectly, in funding, training, and deploying these radical killers simply to further their own geopolitical agendas... At least until you examine the actual evidence:

 

 

 

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-defense-congress-idUSKCN11R2LU

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-security-idUSKCN11D2JQ

 

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/qatar-continuation-logistics-support-services-and-equipment

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-qatar-usa-jets-idUSKCN1175GQ

 

http://fortune.com/2016/03/28/u-s-arms-sales-gulf/

 

https://warontherocks.com/2016/10/what-a-real-review-of-u-s-military-assistance-to-saudi-arabia-would-say/

 

http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-isis-funded-same-money-wikileaks-assange-says-saudi-arabia-qatar-giving-money-2441644

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-email-isis-saudi-arabia-qatar-us-allies-funding-barack-obama-knew-all-a7362071.html

 

That's not to say, in any way shape or form, that the Globalists created these terrorist organizations. Merely that they have used them as disposable proxies to maintain control of their portion of the global pie. Sunni radical jihadists are the favorite tool of the Globalists because they're easy to manage and even easier to disavow.

 

Through cut-outs in Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, and Qatar (and others), the Globalist faction of the Deep State has funneled billions of dollars in weapons and technology to these groups for the explicit purpose of spreading terror across not just the ME but Europe and the US as well -- both to keep the multipolarists (in this case the Iranians and Russians specifically) in check as well as to keep the general populations of the west in a state of fear and confusion.

 

And to keep the MiC dollars flowing into their coffers.

 

It's a plan that's worked near flawlessly for the past 15 years... Until the Syrian debacle. What changed in Syria? Quite simply, the status quo of the Deep State changed as this silent war kicked off near the end of 2011.

 

The Globalists were first denied a coup in the Ukraine in 2013. ( http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957) They then decided to double down on their efforts in Syria, increasing the funding of the foreign jihadists streaming across the borders into Syria. This was met by stiff resistance from the opposing factions (including multipolarists in Russia and Iran) who leaked evidence that Turkey and NATO members were in fact profiting off the backs of ISIS's rise in Iraq through cheap oil:

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-releases-proof-turkey-is-smuggling-isis-oil-over-its-border-a6757651.html

 

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-isis-oil-trade-from-the-ground-up

 

These Russian accusations came on the heels of Turkey shooting down a Russian jet not two weeks earlier:

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34912581

 

In the immediate aftermath of these accusations, Turkey began to do a 180 with regards to its relationship with Russia. Why? If anything, it appeared that relations between the two nations were reaching a tipping point where direct conflict was inevitable. This was a dicey situation for multiple reasons, not the least of which was the Article 5 implications. The Globalists pushing for a direct conflict between Russia and the West seemed like they had complete control. So why did Turkey suddenly do an about face? Could it be Erdogan was given a better offer from a different player within the Deep State? It's speculation, but considering the chain of events that followed it suddenly has more teeth.

 

Within 7 months, Erdogan would survive a "coup" attempt after which he used said coup to distance himself from the Globalists in the west. Erdogan claimed the west, and the US specifically, were behind the attempted coup and continue protecting its mastermind in Gulen. The veracity of these charges seem unlikely if you don't factor in the Deep State into your equation, as Erdogan is clearly nothing short of an authoritarian dictator at this point. His word alone should not be trusted.

 

But like I said, this isn't about good guys versus bad guys. It's about competing ideologies between bad guys and worse guys.

 

With Turkey pulling away from the Globalist sect, NATO was forced to evacuate nukes from their base in Incirlik. Erdogan cracked down hard on his own people and constitution, furthering this divide and fueling the narrative that he is nothing more than a power hungry despot. But thanks to the Russian accusations and scrutiny from the world press at large, the illegal oil shipments through Turkey suddenly stopped. This was a significant victory for the multipolarists as it cut off a vital pipeline of untraceable funding for the Globalists various terror networks in both the ME and Europe.

 

The response from the Globalists was swift and severe. While Turkey moved into a closer orbit with Russia, the audacity of terrorist bombings jumped:

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2016/06/timeline-attacks-turkey-160628223800183.html

 

Some of this, undoubtedly, is the work of the Kurds and Erdogan's own forces as he attempts to centralize his own authority even more. But several, including the largest casualty counts in 2016, were credited to ISIS forces who were likely sending a message to Turkey on behalf of the Globalists and specifically their terrorists operations ongoing in Syria.

 

Which brings us back to the assassination of Chandelon, NATO's Chief Auditor.

 

His body was found on December 16th with a gunshot wound to the head. He had several weapons registered to his name, but the gun that killed him was not one of them. Plus, the gun that did him in was allegedly discovered in the glove compartment of the car rather than in his hand... which makes the cover story of a common suicide a bit tough to swallow for anyone possessing even the tiniest bit of critical thinking skills.

 

So, why was this guy suicided and how does it connect to the other two stories I've highlighted?

 

We can start to answer that question by looking into what else happened on that very day, December 16th. That was the day 44 made his very public threat to retaliate against Russia for the still unproven and highly divisive claims that the Russians "hacked" our election process. In 44's own words the US promised to take action "at a time and place of our own choosing."

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/15/obama-threatens-retaliation-against-russia-election-hacking/95501584/

 

Assassination #2...

 

Three days later, the assassination of Ambassador Karlov occurs. Cut-outs in both the Russian government and Turkish governments (in the form of Ankara's mayor and a Russian Senator) immediately pointed the finger at NATO security services as being behind this brazen assassination in an attempt to undercut the growing relationship of Turkey and Russia. Other agencies in the region pointed the finger at ISIS (which, of course, is by extension pointing the finger at the west).

 

Whether the Globalist faction of the Deep State was truly behind this murder will never be covered in the press. Though it's impossible to remove them as a prime suspect due to the timing (three days after 44 publicly threatened retaliation) and their known connection to ISIS itself. Turkey has recently stepped things up further, pinning it once again on Gulen -- pointing out he is still being protected by the US directly. Putin went as far as to release a public statement claiming the attack was designed to undercut the peace process in Syria while various corporate outlets ran wild with the story, speculating it was a false flag designed to bring on WW3. One op-ed even went to extremes to paint the murder as a boon to the west:

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/745348/russian-ambassador-ankara-turkey-nato-secret-service-putin-Frants-Klintsevich

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/don-cry-russia-slain-envoy-putin-lackey-article-1.2917281

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/19/europe/turkey-russian-ambassador-shot/

 

http://indianexpress.com/article/research/why-assassination-of-russian-ambassador-andrey-karlov-reminds-many-of-how-world-war-i-started-archduke-franz-ferdinand-4436837/

 

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/12/russian-ambassador-killed-three-days-after-obama-threat-who-is-responsible.html

 

That the Globalists have been itching to engineer a shooting war between Russia and the US is not even a secret at this point. HRC's campaign was built around stopping the bloodshed in Syria by instituting No Fly Zones -- which could only be accomplished by taking out Russian anti-air sites on the ground in Syria (meaning US pilots dropping bombs on Russian troops). That detail wasn't examined by anyone in the mainstream media during the election of course, so firmly do the Globalists control those institutions.

 

So the motivation for a false flag assassination designed to elicit a response from Russia or Turkey, which would then give the pretext for the war these Globalists have clearly been begging for, does hold water. But that alone isn't enough to convince anyone.

 

Until you plug Chandelon's murder and the downing of TU-154 into your analysis.

 

Both are connected...

 

The timing of Chandelon's murder and Karlov's assassination are too close to be anything other than connected. The rule of thumb in intelligence circles is that nothing is a coincidence. Chandelon, who was responsible for internal auditing as well as in charge of external investigations into money laundering activities and terrorist financing, was one of the few who would be in position to "leak" information on exactly this sort of wet-work operation should it have gone sideways in Ankara. That he was taken off the board the same day 44 issued public threats and a mere three days before a major terrorist event, should be a red flashing warning light to those people paying attention.

 

Of course the assassination of Karlov itself has all the hallmarks of a Deep State operation, reminiscent of '63 in Dallas as many have pointed out. The lone shooter makes a public (and scripted) admission of motive before being gunned down as he fled. It's of course rather convenient that the shooter was taken out before he could say anything more or be subjected to any sort of interrogation or trial. Whether the assassin was a simple patsy or in some way mind controlled (yup, you have to leave that possibility open when dealing with the Deep State), we'll now never know.

 

Despite the efforts to provoke a response from Russia and/or Turkey, the Globalists found themselves floundering. Neither Turkey nor Russia were taking the bait, despite cut-outs from both nations pointing the finger clearly at the west.

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/745348/russian-ambassador-ankara-turkey-nato-secret-service-putin-Frants-Klintsevich

 

The Globalists needed to make an even bigger play at poking the bear...

 

The crash of TU-154...

 

What's most telling about the crash itself was the Russian response. Almost immediately after the crash, despite the state of the wreckage and numerous body parts of the jet's passengers (note some of the language used in the initial crash site reports), an explosion or anything terrorist related was instantly denied by the FSB and Putin himself -- hardly before the investigation had even begun let alone concluded.

 

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_MILITARY_PLANE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-12-25-06-26-38

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/flight-recorder-plane-crash-tu-154-black-sea-161227062229857.html

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/25/europe/russian-plane-tu-154/

 

As stated previously, the Globalists are not just based in the west. They exist in the Kremlin as well. It seems clear to me, based on the immediacy of the FSB's pronouncement, that Russia was going out of its way to eliminate the west or any of its terror groups as suspects. At least publicly. This would be necessary if Putin were facing pressure from the Globalists in his own country. Any admission, or even hint of terrorist involvement or western influence, would make it near impossible for Putin to ignore. The hardliners within his own government would demand a response.

 

But when a response is precisely what the Globalists are looking for, it was simply not an option. So the Russians spun it as quickly as they could through their chosen state sponsored media outlets like RT and Pravda. This would at the very least buy the opposing factions within the Deep State time to gather evidence.

 

Above Top Secret Weaponry...

 

But then there's this little gem which came out three days after Christmas and is, inarguably, the most speculative bit of information I'm presenting at this time:

 

https://israelinewslive.org/radio-electronic-attack-russia-tu-154-december-25-2016/

 

The article claims that an advanced "Radio Electronic Weapon" was used to take down TU-154. Before you scoff at this notion let's remember what happened to the USS Donald Cook in the Black Sea in 2014:

 

https://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html

 

The Cook, a 4th generation missile cruiser equipped with the previously impregnable and superior AEIGIS combat system was allegedly taken off line by a single Russian jet deploying a new electronic weapon. This event shook the USN to its foundations because the entirety of its fleet and NATO's missile defense platforms in Europe rely upon AEIGIS to maintain its superiority over Russian technology. If one plane could cripple one of our more advanced surface ships, what would that mean for NATO's ever increasing deployment of its missile shield in Eastern Europe?

 

Back to TU-154, this sort of weapon would certainly be able to cripple a passenger jet and cause it to crash. It would be many orders of magnitude more simple in fact when compared to taking the Cook offline.

 

The main point is, this type of technology exists and is highly classified. When the highly classified goodies begin to be deployed by the Deep State against its own, that's when you know the gloves have come off and things are about to get really nasty.

 

Whether this top secret weapon was deployed by Globalist forces within the US/NATO or Globalist forces within Russia itself is impossible to determine at this time. And admittedly, the entire notion that such a weapon was deployed at all is entirely speculative. But when you combine these three seemingly unconnected stories together a striking picture begins to emerge: Forces within the Deep State are working overtime to engineer a war between Russia and the West, so far they have been unsuccessful largely thanks to counter attacks launched by opposing Deep State factions.

 

Wrapping it all up:

 

The Russian response to both the assassination of Karlov and the downing of TU-154 have been telling. There has not been an overreaction at all, instead there has been a pause.

 

My assumption is that this pause is designed to give the multipolarists time to gather evidence and rethink their strategy. If there were a chance that the courts in the west would prosecute these Globalist ringleaders, I think we would see a response in the form of a disclosure like we saw of Turkey's oil smuggling operation. There might be a release or disclosure of the evidence that ties these men and women to both ISIS, the assassinations of Karlov and Chandelon, as well as the downing of TU-154 in this scenario.

 

But since there isn't a court in existence that has ever shown an interest in prosecuting these Deep State members, another response is more likely. Namely, an escalation of the shadow war that's already raging.

 

It may come in the form of assassinations of some of these ringleaders (we'll see these as "accidents" in the press, or medical emergencies), but it's most certainly not going to be in the form of troops marching across borders. If that happens, then you'll know which side has won.

 

To that end it's time to stop thinking in terms of state actors and time to start thinking on a deeper level about these events. Let's see them for what they are, a war of ideologies between factions of this Deep State.

 

 

 

... Which is why this little bill which slipped through the cracks over the Holidays should be worrisome to all of us:

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-24/obama-signs-countering-disinformation-and-propaganda-act-law

 

Has your shrink read this?

[Deranged Rhino]

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Still hasn't read what he keeps reposting. Had he read it, he'd see how much of it has been proven to be true in the four years since it was written. Why? Because Gary is here to defend and protect those who abuse children and threaten our way of life and our republic. He's an enemy of humanity, this country, and common sense. 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

 

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[Buffalo_Gal]

10 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

oh! oh!oh! I may get my "msm" indictments after all!! ?

 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

oh! oh!oh! I may get my "msm" indictments after all!! ?

 

And, likely, means McCabe, Comey, (and Clapper and Brennan) are going to get caught up in that investigation. No Name will as well. 

 

All broke the law to leak the dossier. 

 

* Likely Yates too -- as the Flynn call was leaked and is likely the major focus along with the dossier.

[Deranged Rhino]

Putting this here too... 

 

 

On 12/3/2017 at 6:26 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

Long read warning!

 

Something interesting I found in relation to some of my earlier Flynn speculations:

 

Who is David Cattler and why is that relevant to Flynn's plea? 

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/02/02/white-house-national-security-advisor-announces-nsc-senior-staff-0

 

Cattler's position on the NSC senior staff was created by Flynn, one of two new deputy assistant positions he created within the NSC. This is important because Cattler was approved and granted TS/SCI clearance along with the other senior NSC staff hand picked by Flynn - this is actually a higher security clearance than he held in his previous (well decorated) positions within the USIC. It allows him access to see raw SIGINT without violating national security - something that was denied to many other Trump appointees in Jan/Feb: 

 

"In February, intelligence agencies denied a high-level security clearance to Robin Townley, an African affairs specialist and close aide to then-White House National Security Adviser Michael Flynn.

 

The denial of the Top Secret, Sensitive Compartmented Information clearance, the high-level security clearance known as TS/SCI, was widely viewed as a bureaucratic power play by opponents of both Flynn and Townley inside intelligence agencies.

 

Angelo Codevilla, an intelligence expert, said the denial of clearances was engineered by the CIA and came despite Townley's holding of the high level clearance for many years when he worked at the Defense Intelligence Agency.

 

The clearance denial drove Townley out of the White House National Security Council staff.

 

(snip)

 

The TS/SCI clearance grants a holder access to special intelligence, such as information obtained from foreign recruited agents and electronic communications intelligence.

 

The clearance also can include signing extensive non-disclosure agreements."

Source: http://freebeacon.com/national-security/white-house-clearance-process-increasingly-politicized/

 

Cattler was hired February 2, 2017 - 11 days before Flynn would resign, less than a week after Flynn's interview with the FBI where he lied, and thirty two days after Flynn's phone call was leaked to the press (illegally since what was released was the raw SIGINT content of Flynn's phone call with the Ambassador). 

 

Flynn steps down February 13th. February 20th, McMaster is hired and he immediately begins reassigning Flynn's NSC senior staff and eliminating positions Flynn created, including Cattler's:

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(From March 1st, 2017 - https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/mcmaster-national-security-council-staff-changes-235579 )

 

President Donald Trump’s new national security adviser, Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, is taking steps to streamline the National Security Council — starting by eliminating positions created by his short-lived predecessor Michael Flynn, according to two people familiar with the moves.

 

McMaster did away this week with two deputy assistant spots, one overseeing the NSC’s regional desks and another overseeing transnational issues, according to a senior White House aide.

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Cattler was not fired, he was reassigned: 

 

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Dave Cattler, who was named deputy assistant to the president for regional affairs, will return to the office of the Director of National Intelligence, where he worked during the Obama administration.

 

(snip)

 

“McMaster took a look at them and thought he didn’t need the extra layer,” the White House aide said of the two positions. “He wanted to go back to the way it had been prior.”

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Excluded from this article is the fact that Cattler returned to his former post while retaining his TS/SCI clearances, clearances he did not hold previously. 

 

The same article then goes on to add:

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Cattler and Hansell are generally well-regarded, according to a person familiar with the current NSC.

 

Cattler was a Flynn pick, the person said. According to his LinkedIn page, Cattler worked under the former NSC boss at the Defense Intelligence Agency. Flynn was forced out of the DIA in 2014.

 

According to the person familiar with the NSC, some career intelligence professionals regarded Cattler with suspicion because of his connection to Flynn, a vocal critic of the CIA and its tactics.

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(The last few quotes all from the same source above: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/mcmaster-national-security-council-staff-changes-235579 )

 

Those of you paying close attention might already see where this is going...

 

Let's go back to earlier questions I asked about Flynn: 

 

(Abridged the first lengthy post for space purposes, click on the post to see it in full)

 

 

And with those questions in mind let's reexamine the entire Flynn timeline because it's important: 

 

December 28, 2016 - 44's administration sanctions Russia for Russian "meddling" and expels over 30 diplomats.

 

December 29, 2016 - Flynn, acting as a member of the transition team, called the Russian Ambassador Kislyak and asked him not to escalate the situation in response to 44's sanctions. This call was made on an open line, not a secured one. It's safe to assume Flynn, with his 33 year career as a spy, was aware that the call was being monitored and recorded by many different parties, including the USIC and FBI. 

 

January 12th, 2017 - David Ignatius of the Washington Post, relying on unnamed sources, reports the following and ignites a media firestorm:

"According to a senior U.S. government official, Flynn phoned Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak several times on Dec. 29, the day the Obama administration announced the expulsion of 35 Russian officials as well as other measures in retaliation for the hacking. What did Flynn say, and did it undercut the U.S. sanctions?" https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-did-obama-dawdle-on-russias-hacking/2017/01/12/75f878a0-d90c-11e6-9a36-1d296534b31e_story.html?utm_term=.00752efd0d54

 

January 15th, 2017 - Pence goes on Face the Nation and describes the Flynn Kislyak call as coincidental and not prompted by 44's sanctions the day prior. He bases this on a conversation Pence had with Flynn days before. The firestorm of speculations in the media intensifies, as pundits breathlessly write about just what might have been said in the call between Flynn and Kislyak. Pence is in the spotlight and dragged through the mud as op-eds claim he's covering for Flynn and Trump both. 

 

January 20th - 21st, 2017 - 45 sworn into office. Flynn's senior staff begins to get deployed and granted TS/SCI clearances while Trump immediately begins to fire swaths of people at both State and CIA, going as far as to give a speech at Langley wherein he joked about building a new entry way for the CIA "without any columns". Columns in intelligence speak is defined as such: any group of people who undermine a larger group from within, usually in favor of an enemy group or nation. This is an incredibly audacious "joke" for a newly elected president to make while standing in front of the CIA's wall of honor.

 

During the same speech, well before he makes the "column" comments, 45 specifically calls out Flynn. This is significant because he's standing in Langley. Flynn was once head of DIA -  DIA and CIA do not get along and it was Flynn's clash with the CIA which lead to him losing his position under the previous administration. The subtext here is perhaps more than just Trump standing behind Flynn amidst the fire storm, it's more a "game on" statement:

 

The columns comment comes immediately after 45 "rambles" about "liking honest reporting" @ the 15:09:

"We'll get rid of the columns." The columns in this could possibly mean those in CIA and other USIC agencies who have been leaking classified intel damaging to the administration to the "dishonest" press. 

 

January 24th, 2017 - Flynn has his meeting with the FBI and lies about the contents of the call on the 29th. Flynn had the legal right not to answer the question, or even to take the meeting, yet rather than do that he knowingly lies to the FBI about a call which a) he knows to have been legal, and b) he knows the FBI has a complete transcript of already.

 

January 26th, 2017 - Sally Yates (per her congressional testimony in May) informs White House Counsel that Flynn is now vulnerable to Russian blackmail because he lied to the FBI and to Pence about the contents of the call. It's important to note here that Sally Yates did not have TS/SCI clearance and thus could not legally read the contents of Flynn's call unless Flynn's name had been unmasked and shared with her by 44's administration. Also note that Flynn was cleared of any illegalities with regards to the contents of the call itself - meaning, there was nothing illegal or treasonous in the transcripts for which Flynn could be charged. This is why he only got hit with Process Crimes. 

“We weren’t the only ones that knew all of this, that the Russians also knew about what General Flynn had done and the Russians also knew that General Flynn had misled the vice president and others,” Yates said. 

https://www.thewrap.com/sally-yates-says-told-white-house-michael-flynn-blackmailed-russians/amp/

 

February 2nd, 2017 - In the midst of a media firestorm and leaks causing the Administration headaches and twitter tantrums, Flynn who knows he's on borrowed time, creates a new deputy assistant position in the NSC senior staff and appoints Cattler to fill it. 

 

February 8th, 2017 - Flynn denies the story to the Washington Post, saying the topic of sanctions never came up on his call with Kislyak. This sets off another media firestorm.

 

February 9th, 2017 - Flynn then backtracks to the Washington Post, and through a spokesman said the topic "might have come up". https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/10/just-how-much-trouble-is-michael-flynn-in/?utm_term=.2fdc1946409c

 

February 13th, 2017 - Flynn resigns, officially for lying to Pence and the FBI. 

 

February 20th 2017 - McMaster is hired as National Security Advisor and recycles Flynn's staff. McMaster eliminates the two new deputy positions Flynn created, transfering Cattler back to the office of the DNI, though he is now armed with TS/SCI clearance good for 12 months. 

 

 

Why is this timeline important?

 

Because by January 24th we know Flynn knew three things for certain:

1) His phone call to the Ambassador was not illegal, nor was discussing sanctions. 

2) His phone call to the Ambassador was being monitored and recorded. 

3) The administration was in the midst of trying to plug leaks of classified intelligence to the media by members of the USIC:

 

"It is the second consecutive day that Trump has been critical of leakers, a tirade that followed the resignation of national security adviser Michael Flynn earlier this week. Perhaps seeking an avenue with which to go on the offensive amid the swirling controversy, Trump has kept his attacks focused on the means by which reporters have sourced stories harmful to his administration, not the substance of the stories themselves. He has especially aimed his bombast at the intelligence community, escalating his long-running feud by accusing its officials of delivering leaks to reporters."

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-tweet-leakers-will-be-caught-235081

 

(More articles about Trump v the Leakers)

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-administration-leaks_us_589a45f1e4b04061313a1fbb

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tweets-fbi-unable-to-stop-national-security-leakers-2017-2

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-loved-leaks-before-he-hated-them-8df720204c7b/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/02/16/donald_trump_has_changed_his_tune_on_leakers.html

http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2017/05/25/intel-leakers-putting-hatred-trump-above-love-country.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/06/08/trump-rages-about-leakers-obama-quietly-prosecuted-them/?utm_term=.052b5a6c3797

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-hates-leaks-federal-whistleblowers-153550049.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-24/russia-meddled-in-american-election-trump-spy-chief-confirms

 

Now, it's entirely possible Flynn knowingly lied to the FBI about something he knew they'd know was a lie (and wasn't legally compelled to answer in the first place) because he didn't trust the FBI to keep his answer confidential. Had he answered yes, and the FBI leaked it, in that environment (which was even more hysterical than it is now) this news would have SUNK Trump's administration in Russian scandal to the point of crippling it less than two weeks after being sworn in. 45 might never recover from Flynn answering honestly about a conversation he knew was in no way illegal or treasonous. With that in mind, Flynn, being a patriot, fell on his sword to protect the administration from undue and unfair scrutiny...

 

Can't rule that out. 

 

But there's another possibility... 

 

It's also possible that a career master spook was doing something else entirely. That's where Cattler comes in and where this gets fun:

 

Cattler's career in the USIC is flawless. His specialty? Counter terrorism. He and Flynn go way back, but Cattler isn't a politician or a public figure or a department head who sits behind a desk and pushes paper. He's a field spook who specializes in finding terrorists using SIGINT and HUMINT. He's an expert at finding Terrorists who hide in population centers and build networks and cells in secret... Kind of like spies or people leaking classified intel to the media would do... 

 

I'm proposing that it's possible - if not likely - that Flynn brought on Cattler (and others) to hunt for the leakers inside the USIC feeding the media as well as to root out CIA corruption/influence in both the FBI and DOJ. Remember, National Security Advisor is not confirmed by the Senate, Flynn was an outsider who had just been torched by the outgoing administration at the time he was picked for the job - he was already a target before he took the job.

 

Flynn appointed Cattler at a period of time when he knew he had lied to the FBI and they had the proof. He knew that proof, which was classified TS/SCI intelligence, was being shared illegally with members of the media with the explicit purpose to undercut the incoming administration's ability to dictate its own foreign policy agendas. Flynn created a new position within the NSC senior staff to bring Cattler on, assuring he would get TS/SCI clearances above his existing clearances, which Cattler would then retain for the next 12 months even after his transfer out of the NSC.

 

This would allow the NSA (and other friendly agencies) to share raw SIGINT with Cattler even after Flynn's resignation without violating the law.

 

For those of you unaware, the raw SIGINT that would be most useful for someone hunting leakers would be the same SIGINT that would be useful to a terrorist hunter: cell phone records, conversations and all and all electronic communications - encrypted or not. 

 

Who holds the keys to that particular kingdom? 

 

(Drum roll please.....)

 



 

That's right. The person who holds the keys to that kingdom, the agency that knows everyone's secrets and has them on file, is the only USIC chief 45 retained...

 

Curious, isn't it? Why would Trump retain Rogers? You can start to answer that by remember what Rogers has in common with Flynn.

 

Both were Obama appointees who had serious falling outs with the administration. So much so that 44 warned 45 that both Flynn and Rogers should be viewed with caution. Dig into what specifically Flynn and Roger's clashes with the administration were all about and you (unsurprisingly) arrive at the same answer. (That's on you to dig for)

 

Immediately following the election, Rogers had an unscheduled meeting with Trump that outraged 44's administration and was painted in the press as Rogers "begging" to keep his job. https://www.npr.org/2016/11/22/502980006/reports-suggest-nsa-director-mike-rogers-is-on-his-way-out

 

Others, before me,  have speculated (with solid evidence to support their speculation) that Rogers was not there to beg for his job but instead there to warn Trump about leakers and the coup attempt by elements within the USIC. 

 

Which one is the truth? Perhaps both? Whatever was discussed, Rogers was retained as head of NSA and in that position he has the keys to the world, as well as everyone's email and phone conversations. Information he could share with men like Cattler once he got his TS/SCI clearance.

 

Information and intelligence that a master mole hunter can deploy to locate and oust leakers. 

 

To recap: Flynn brought counter intel spooks into the NSC (more than Cattler, look into the rest of his NSC staff picks. Nearly all of them are career spooks outside of the ones who are/were known media personalities), got them TS/SCI clearances which they retained after Flynn's resignation in order to assist the administration in tracking down the leaks coming from within the USIC. 

 

And they've been at work since February 13th... Has it worked?

 

Well... let's go back to this story which broke last week:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The initial reports attempted to paint Strzok as a middling level agent involved in the investigation. This is a lie. He was running the investigation into Clinton's emails and was heading up the FBI's Russia investigation before Mueller was hired as special prosecutor. After which he played a prominent role on Mueller's team.

 

Why specifically was Strzok reassigned off the investigation and into human resources (which is about as humiliating of a demotion a senior agent can get in the FBI)? 

 

"The people briefed on the case said the transfer followed the discovery of text messages in which Mr. Strzok and a colleague reacted to news events, like presidential debates, in ways that could appear critical of Mr. Trump."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/politics/mueller-removed-top-fbi-agent-over-possible-anti-trump-texts.html

 

In other words, precisely the kind of raw SIGINT that the NSA collects on every one of us every day. Precisely the kind of SIGINT Flynn's spooks like Cattler were given clearances to see and analyze. 

 

But there's more... 

 

When was Strzok reassigned? 

 

"But Mr. Strzok was reassigned this summer from Mr. Mueller’s investigation to the F.B.I.’s human resources department, where he has been stationed since."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/politics/mueller-removed-top-fbi-agent-over-possible-anti-trump-texts.html

 

Yet, the Strzok news did not leak until after Flynn signed his plea deal. Why is this significant?

 

Remember back to the speculations revolving around Papadapoulos, he was arrested in July but: 

 

The next day, in the motion to seal the filings associated with his arrest, the office of the special counsel argued that “public disclosure of the defendant’s appearance” would “significantly undermine his ability to serve as a proactive cooperator.”

 

“I assume that means he wouldn’t be able to wear a wire and trick a target of the investigation into making incriminating statements, because his cooperation would then be known,” said Bruce Green, a former associate counsel in the Iran-Contra affair and a Fordham Law School professor.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/what-did-george-papadopoulos-give-robert-mueller/544493/

 

Popodopoulos wasn't formerly incited until October because they did not want to expose to the world that he'd been caught and ruin his ability to gather intelligence for the special investigation. 

 

Why didn't the news of Strzok's reassignment leak until after Flynn signed his plea? Could it be because the Strzok texts were given to Mueller by Flynn's leak hunters and announcing that in July would have exposed Flynn's network? A network run by men like Cattler. 

 

ABSOLUTELY. 

 

And if that's true, now that Flynn has come in from the cold, it could mean that Strzok is just the beginning. We are perhaps about to see the results of the network Flynn deployed before resigning. 

 

This next week should be interesting... 

 

Addendum:

 

*This is an article about one of Flynn's DIA spooks... it's important to read in context with the above: 

 

There was one person, however, who McMaster couldn’t get rid of: Ezra Cohen-Watnick, the senior director for intelligence programs. McMaster tried to remove him in March, but President Trump, at the urging of Bannon and Jared Kushner, told McMaster that Cohen-Watnick was staying, as first reported by Politico. ... That Cohen-Watnick, 31 years old and largely unknown before entering the administration, has become unfireable reveals how important he has become to the Trump White House, where loyalty is prized.

 

31 year old unknown senior NSC position who's suddenly unfirable. What exactly was his position?


The senior in Cohen-Watnick’s title reflects the importance of his job, if not the level of experience he brings to it. The senior director for intelligence programs on the NSC is a powerful position, designed to coordinate and liaise between the U.S. intelligence community and the White House.

 

(snip)

 

The CIA has traditionally had control over who fills this position, and normally the job is staffed by a more experienced official. McMaster, assuming he’d be allowed to relieve or reassign Cohen-Watnick, had gone so far as to interviewCohen-Watnick’s potential replacement, Linda Weissgold, a veteran CIA officer.

 

CIA traditionally has control over who fills this spot - Flynn fills it instead with an unknown 31 year old from the DIA:

 

Despite his prominent, and apparently quite secure, position in Trump’s NSC, little is known about Cohen-Watnick, who had spent much of his short career as a low-ranking official at the Defense Intelligence Agency. Information about him in publicly available sources is scarce. Few higher-ups from the DIA remember him. Only one picture of him can be found online 

 

Sure sounds like the type of background you'd associate with a spook, not a suit, doesn't it? Notice how the article describes people going out of their way not to describe the man. Protecting an intelligence officer's identity is one of the most important national security secrets in existence. Perhaps that's the reason for the unusual behavior:

 

Unlike other White House officials who have become public figures in their own right, Cohen-Watnick never speaks for himself publicly, leaving others to fill the void. Yet he hardly comes into sharper focus when you talk to co-workers, friends, and former colleagues. Ask around about Ezra Cohen-Watnick, and people get defensive. Some profess not to know him, or ask why anyone would want to write about him. Others simply refuse to discuss him.

 

“I won’t talk to any journalist about Ezra,” said Michael Ledeen, a Flynn confidant who knows Cohen-Watnick well.

 

And here is where it gets potentially really interesting in context with the rest of this post:

 

Washington got its first real look at Cohen-Watnick when he was identified as one of two White House sources who provided House Intelligence chairman Devin Nunes with evidence that former national security adviser Susan Rice requested the “unmasking” of the names of Trump associates in intelligence documents. In the intelligence world, incidental collection refers to intelligence agencies obtaining, in the course of monitoring foreigners, communications that either refer to or involve Americans, whose names are typically “masked” unless officials request that they be “unmasked.”

 

The incident, coming in the aftermath of Trump baselessly accusing his predecessor of wiretapping Trump Tower, became one of the first dust-ups related to the investigations into possible Russian collusion during the 2016 campaign that have gripped the White House. The president later accused Rice of having committed a crime; for her part, Rice has denied that she ordered the unmasking for political purposes.

 

Again, if Cohen-Watnick is who this post suggests he is, and his job at DIA was in line with Cattler's and Flynn's (counter terror/counter intel), then it becomes conceivable that this whole Nunes / wire tapping tweets and hoopla was actually a trap being set by Flynn's network. The results of which might be about to break. 

 

For example: We know from Sally Yates own testimony that she knew for certain just two days after Flynn's FBI interview that he had lied about the call. The only way she could know such a thing with certainty was if she saw the transcript of the call - which legally could only be shown to a Yates if Flynn's name had been unmasked and Trump's team was under surveillance for Russian collusion. We also now know that at that time - January 26th - Strzok was the lead FBI agent running the investigation into Trump's team. 

 

It's possible Yates obtained this information illegally from a leak within the USIC - from a man like Strzok perhaps? 

 

Back to Cohen- Watnick...

 

Nunes had to step down from the investigation because of his role in this, but Cohen-Watnick?
 

Despite that early controversy, Cohen-Watnick retains one of the most consequential intelligence jobs in the nation, and his influence is rising.

 

Notice in the article there is mention of the central (and ongoing) rivalry between CIA and DIA. I point this out in relation to the larger context of everything we're discussing:

 

According to a former senior intelligence official, Cohen-Watnick later served overseas in Afghanistan at a CIA base. “He was embedded with the Agency guys,” said a person familiar with Cohen-Watnick’s career. “But the Agency guys were all like ‘!@#$ this guy, he’s just here to spy on us for Flynn and the DIA.’”

 

A White House official said that Cohen-Watnick did not know Flynn at the time he was in Afghanistan but did not dispute that there were “rivalries between CIA and DIA.”  

 

Now the best part in relation to the thesis of this post: 

 

Nunes claimed at one point that his source had been an intelligence official, not White House. Citing four U.S. officials, the Times later reported that his sources on the intelligence reports were Cohen-Watnick and Michael Ellis, a lawyer in the White House Counsel’s Office focused on national security. But the question of who cleared Nunes onto White House grounds, and why Cohen-Watnick was looking into the material, have never been fully answered.

 

I believe we are answering that question in this post. Cohen-Watnick was looking into unmasking material because he was part of Flynn's network deployed to root out leakers and politicization of the DOJ/FBI (ie CIA influence/compromised elements within those agencies). 

 

The Washington Post reported in April that days after McMaster’s effort to remove Cohen-Watnick, the CIA’s liaison to the White House was fired. The Guardian’s story on the firing cited sources describing it as an “act of retaliation” against the CIA for encouraging McMaster to sack Cohen-Watnick, a report unlikely to endear him to his colleagues.

 



 

The article really is worth the time to read and reflect on what I'm laying out above. Cohen-Watnick is basically outed in this article as being an unfirable DIA spook loyal Flynn, it's really incredible in hindsight: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/ezra-cohen-watnick/534615/

 

Addendum 2: 

 

This came out today, from the DOJ Office of the Inspector General and is more circumstantial evidence of the case I outlined above:

 

"The January 2017 statement issued by the Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General (OIG) announcing its review ofallegations regarding various actions of the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation in advance of the 2016 election stated that the OIG review would, among other things, consider whether certain underlying investigative decisions were based on improper considerations and that we also would include issues that might arise during the course of the review.

 

The OIG has been reviewing allegations involving communications between certain individuals, and will report its findings regarding those allegations promptly upon completion of the review of them."

- Justice Department Office of the Inspector General

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/02/politics/fbi-agent-removed-trump-investigation/index.html

 

What that statement is saying in simpler terms: For the past 11 months the DOJ IG has been investigating the politicization within the DOJ and FBI and deciding if the action, or lack of action, was driven by the political ideology of the participants therein. 

 

What makes this noteworthy, and related to my above longer post, is that IG investigators don't usually talk about investigations when they're in the middle of them. They discuss them when they're wrapping up.

 

Which might explain the timing of the Strzok revelation (he flipped on others inside the FBI possibly). And it wouldn't surprise me to find out Flynn's network had a lot to do with it.

 

The results of this investigation could actually be quite major.

 

Here's the announcement of the investigation, almost 11 months ago - while Flynn was still National Security Advisor and filling out his staff / deploying his network: https://oig.justice.gov/press/2017/2017-01-12.pdf 

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/ex-fbi-agent-arrested-conspiracy-charge-alleging-he-accepted-bribes-paid-lawyer-linked

That story breaks on this day -- which is kind of funny  

 

 

[Q-baby!]

5 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Putting this here too... 

 

 

  Hide contents

 

 

 

 

 
 

 

 

 

 

Dude, you need to get laid! PM me and I will tell you what that is. 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Foxx]

[Deranged Rhino]

https://saraacarter.com/far-left-super-pac-created-by-media-matters-founder-under-investigation/

 

Some posters' checks are about to stop... 

[Buffalo_Gal]

7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

https://saraacarter.com/far-left-super-pac-created-by-media-matters-founder-under-investigation/

 

Some posters' checks are about to stop... 

 

Poor Tibs! 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

(but it's not real)

[Deranged Rhino]

Learn your enemies. 

 

It's (almost always) people you're told to trust. 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Really makes you wonder what's actually happening, doesn't it? 

[Foxx]

there is always a back story, always.

https://twitter.com/KarluskaP/status/1254059664834277377

 

[Westside]

On 4/23/2020 at 12:15 PM, Warren Zevon said:

 

The ramblings of a psychopath

Awwww Sybil, can you point to the spot on this doll where the bad orangeman touched you?

[Hedge]

 

 

Quote

the [ODNI] mission of coordination had crept to include analysis and many other tasks normally reserved for the likes of the CIA, DIA, and FBI. In essence, ODNI started competing to perform the same jobs as other agencies it was supposed to supervise.

Grenell saw a bureaucracy with much duplication and cost. He wasn’t alone. Multiple reviews of the agency’s structure over the last 24 months had flagged the need for reforming and shrinking ODNI, but no one pitched the shovel into the dirt to get change started. Grenell did.

With little fanfare, the acting DNI and ambassador to Germany has undertaken a major shakeup of ODNI, shrinking down its size and sending many employees back to spy agencies on the front lines. He’s trying to finish the job before President Trump’s nominee, Rep. John Ratcliffe (R-Texas), is confirmed.

...

“ODNI was not intended to collect and analyze intelligence, its function was to coordinate these activities among intelligence agencies,” said a senior U.S. official, who spoke only on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the reorganization.

“You don't need thousands of people to do that,” the official said. "ODNI absolutely needs to reassess how it is working with an eye towards shifting officers back to agencies like CIA and FBI."

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Deranged Rhino]

No *****. 

 

 

(this is now the second time she's said this, not the first)

[Buffalo_Gal]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

No *****. 

 

 

(this is now the second time she's said this, not the first)

The cynical would say she's hoping not to have pay the money she owes him.

Honestly though, for those who thought about it (ewww) ... a germaphobe is gonna get nasty with a pr0n star? I mean maybe if he's triple sheathed, but Trump has women throwing themselves at him, and he'd choose her? 

 

[BillStime]

11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

No *****. 

 

 

(this is now the second time she's said this, not the first)

 

Am I missing something or is this article from January 2018? 

[Deranged Rhino]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

The cynical would say she's hoping not to have pay the money she owes him.

Honestly though, for those who thought about it (ewww) ... a germaphobe is gonna get nasty with a pr0n star? I mean maybe if he's triple sheathed, but Trump has women throwing themselves at him, and he'd choose her? 

 

The one rumor I heard which stuck with me (no verification of it, so it might just be smoke) which made sense was that she never slept with 45 but Don Jr (who was going through a divorce when this all first broke way back when). This story was always meh. Either Trump did it -- which would be on brand for the public's expectations of a famous playboy, or it was all a dirty political op. Neither would surprise or change one's opinion on the other side (either Trump or the Clinton machine).

 

Was it icky? Yup. But it was consensual. 

[Warren Zevon]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Am I missing something or is this article from January 2018? 

 

You're missing everything sheep

[Deranged Rhino]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Am I missing something or is this article from January 2018? 

 

No, it is. Hence the whole "second time" line. She apparently made another statement last night or this morning -- looking for the clip. 

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(Also goes here)

 

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

No, it is. Hence the whole "second time" line. She apparently made another statement last night or this morning -- looking for the clip. 

 

Maybe I'm missing the point - even if true - is this going to change the perception that Trump doesn't treat women with respect? 

 

I mean - the guy has cheated on every wife and has three children; all with different women.

 

We can go back to years of Trump on video - talking disrespectfully about women - just check out any one of Trumps appearance on Howard Stern.

 

I don't get it - are Biden's alleged past history with sexual assault suppose to disqualify him for the presidency?  And if so, how can you say that with a straight face given Trumps history?

[Tiberius]

On 4/25/2020 at 3:43 PM, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

Poor Tibs! 

FU 

20 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Am I missing something or is this article from January 2018? 

Ya, it doesn't say anything about individual number one 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

7 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Maybe I'm missing the point - even if true - is this going to change the perception that Trump doesn't treat women with respect? 

 

The original story itself didn't change the perception of Trump and women -- which is why it was ineffective (speaking to it as a purely political weapon in this case). Everyone knew Trump's history, and voted for him anyway because it's irrelevant to many of them. I didn't vote for Trump, but this story didn't move me one way or the other. The only one that did was Katie Johnson -- until I looked under the hood of the story and learned it was fake. 

 

IF (and it's still an if) it were proven that Stormy lied about the entire affair, it changes nothing about the perceptions of Trump. That's not the point (hence the thread). The point would be what that says about the Clinton machine and the media's partnership. 

 

I know on this board you'd never admit this, but in private are you telling me if you were to learn 100% that Stormy never happened it would have no impact on your assessment of the information sources you've relied on in the past?

 

9 minutes ago, BillStime said:

I don't get it - are Biden's alleged past history with sexual assault suppose to disqualify him for the presidency?  And if so, how can you say that with a straight face given Trumps history?

 

Joe's alleged past includes rape with far more sourcing/verification than any of the charges lobbed at Trump. Joe also has a long history of inappropriate touching/assault on camera that was so bad it was a joke within DNC circles (even Jon Stewart blasted him for it). 

 

One is not like the other.