ndirish1978 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 It seems like there are a lot of opinions on this board about who we should blame for the past 17 years of failure in Buffalo: Russ Brandon, Nix/Whaley, terrible coaching selections, etc. My question is this, how does this all get turned around in your opinion beyond just a sweeping "fire everybody?" Is there something beyond just playing musical chairs at coach that we can do to change the team around? I just scratch my head because it seems institutional now. I kept thinking Wilson's age and lack of involvement with the team was the driving factor behind our futility but we've switched owners and it feels like the same song, different verse. Feel free to merge this thread to whichever complaints thread you want if the question seems redundant, but I would like to hear what you guys think can be done this offseason to give this team some spine and start moving us in the right direction. Thanks all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Find the right QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 ^^^^ This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 I dunno that it's just that simple. We have a defensive coach with a bad defense, a GM who can't read a trade value chart and a team that just rolls over when things get bad. I think we need more than just a good QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Break Both Brady's legs and his throwing arm and we are in the thick of things for the division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 If I was Pegula I would hire an outside consultant to review the organization and make suggestions of what to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) I dunno that it's just that simple. We have a defensive coach with a bad defense, a GM who can't read a trade value chart and a team that just rolls over when things get bad. I think we need more than just a good QB. Bad defense? Dumb GM? A quitter team? Find the right QB and suddenly everyone plays lot better, becomes smarter, and has much more courage. If I was Pegula I would hire an outside consultant to review the organization and make suggestions of what to change. Ah yes! The czar idea lives again! I say to hell with that. You either believe in the GM you have and if you don't then get one you have confidence in then let him do his job. Edited December 8, 2016 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Can we at least wait until the season is over before we figure out what we need to turn around? We're 6-6, not 3-9. We have more negative threads on here than in the Jets forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Need to fire everyone from Russ on down and start over completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Bad defense? Dumb GM? A quitter team? Find the right QB and suddenly everyone plays lot better, becomes smarter, and much more courage. Ah yes! The czar idea lives again! I say to hell with that. You either believe in the GM you have and if you don't then get one you have confidence in then let him do his job. Honest question....late in the 3rd Q of Sunday's game, with a 3 score lead--did you think the D would give up 4 TDs? Is that a good, smart D, playing with courage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Need to fire everyone from Russ on down and start over completely. Close you eyes and count...... Honest question....late in the 3rd Q of Sunday's game, with a 3 score lead--did you think the D would give up 4 TDs? Is that a good, smart D, playing with courage? I knew that the game wasn't over and said so in the GDT. Oakland has a potent offense and they comeback on teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Find the right QB. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Close you eyes and count...... I knew that the game wasn't over and said so in the GDT. Oakland has a potent offense and they comeback on teams. 29 points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 It all starts at the very top of the org in that this team is in desperate need of a team president of football operations. Someone that has enough NFL football acumen to know who to hire as GM, as HC, as trainers and a decent doctor This new owner is more than rich enough to hire the very best NFL advisers / headhunters to advise him as to who to hire as team president of football operations. Then the owner should stand back and let the man fix this franchise! Even if this team traded for one of the elite franchise QB's it isn't going to change the ineptitude of the GM not bringing in equal or better players when the team loses a player. Example, It took three years to replace LG Andy Levitre and even then it was because the new HC vouched for a previously suspended player. Rex Ryan also chased OG La'el Collins who now plays for the Cowboys and that would be a huge upgrade for the line. Another example is losing WR Chris Hogan to the Patriots who already had a very solid receiving corps. Speaking of the Patriots they also traded for star TE Martellus Bennett from the Bears. Plus they drafted a WR in the 4th round who is starting to make an impact. Obtaining an elite franchise QB isn't going to fix the defense or find scouts that can actually properly evaluate college, NFL talent to find those quality draft picks and FA players. A new QB isn't going to fix the injury problems or the team doctors giving the okay to draft injured players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 It seems like there are a lot of opinions on this board about who we should blame for the past 17 years of failure in Buffalo: Russ Brandon, Nix/Whaley, terrible coaching selections, etc. My question is this, how does this all get turned around in your opinion beyond just a sweeping "fire everybody?" Is there something beyond just playing musical chairs at coach that we can do to change the team around? I just scratch my head because it seems institutional now. I kept thinking Wilson's age and lack of involvement with the team was the driving factor behind our futility but we've switched owners and it feels like the same song, different verse. Feel free to merge this thread to whichever complaints thread you want if the question seems redundant, but I would like to hear what you guys think can be done this offseason to give this team some spine and start moving us in the right direction. Thanks all. Nothing will change this offseason. Hopefully, if/when Pegula does decide that this thing has run its course, he hires the right someone someone from outside the organization, with no ties or allegiances, to build the football program from the top down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 29 points? The collapse was painful, but after watching the Raiders light teams up this season it wasn't a complete shock that they scored so many more points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Are you sure the problem is the organization? Could it be that the problem is much narrower than that, i.e., an incompetent HC? If it's the latter, then why would you clean house top to bottom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Are you sure the problem is the organization? Could it be that the problem is much narrower than that, i.e., an incompetent HC? If it's the latter, then why would you clean house top to bottom? the same 'organization' gave a no stone unturned search that brought the Marrone administration with a golden parachute, as well as the current 'incompetent' HC. I do not trust them to suddenly get it right. They also stink at finding QBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Find the right QB. I mean it's funny how hard some folks act like it is. We cry over draft picks from 8 years ago. NE has a ton of terrible draft picks and no one cares. We have a far, far better roster than the Colts and they have had success for one reason. When you get the qb, everyone gets better. And you don't find a qb by spending 3 1st round picks on in 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 I mean it's funny how hard some folks act like it is. We cry over draft picks from 8 years ago. NE has a ton of terrible draft picks and no one cares. We have a far, far better roster than the Colts and they have had success for one reason. When you get the qb, everyone gets better. And you don't find a qb by spending 3 1st round picks on in 30 years. But we can trade 2 1s for a WR who is rarely on the field. I don't understand why we don't just trade the farm for a good 1st rd Qb and actually give ourselves a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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