Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 (edited) 27 starting QB have a 3:1 TD:Int ratio or better. 27. So, it kinda looks like not turning the ball over isn't necessarily an indicator of a solid NFL starter. It looks like it's a quality just about EVERY qb has. Late to the discussion but worth noting, the OP is out of context and important details are incorrect. The comment from White was a response to an email touting teams desire to have a QB with a 60% comp percentage and a 2:1 TD:INT ratio. White then noted that this was nothing special and that 25 QBs are at 2:1 or better. Edited November 28, 2016 by Ghost of Rob Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Honestly this place is becoming worse than yahoo or youtube comment section. Like what's up with this told you so agenda pushing bull ****? Is it the vocal minority or is this how the most of you feel after a win? I love the info and interacting with other fans...but jesus us christ... Every one of these threads I click I basically know I'm trolling myself; but I do it anyways. You're welcome -and invited- to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 28, 2016 Author Share Posted November 28, 2016 Late to the discussion but worth noting, the OP is out of context and important details are incorrect. The comment from White was a response to an email touting Taylors 2:1 TD:INT ratio. White then noted that this was nothing special and that 25 QBs are at 2:1 or better. Ok so I misheard. Thank you GoRJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 The Bills defense allowed 7 consecutive first downs to start the game yesterday and the Bills had a bunch of big plays on offense so TOP was really jacked and not a good indicator yesterday. For all the handwringing about Tyrod and the offense it's the defense that is the most perplexing part of this team. There are good defenses out there that would be ecstatic to get some of the talent the Bills have in that secondary but they can't make it work and have Bills fans living in fear. Defense sans Dareus looked toothless yesterday. Lorax and Hughes have vanished and the level of play Zach Brown has really dropped off too. Oh, on that first drive, they couldn't fill or tackle for ****. If Ivory doesn't get banged up, it might've been a bloodbath. They seem to be able to buck up eventually and adjust but it's almost like they don't spend all week scouting the opponent and do it in the first half of the game instead. I don't "live in fear" with them so much as I don't have ultimate faith in their abilities, I expect some kind of failure every week (Meeks on the Lee TD, Ihedigbo missed tackle on the Ivory TD etc.) to occur. For all the Marrone jokes, the Jags OL had actually been pretty stingy with their sack rate all year. I didn't expect a huge amount of pass rush. It was pretty dispiriting that they could neither get home on Bortles nor play contain on him. Allowed him easy yards instead of working for it from the pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 There's a middle-ground. I don't believe if this team has Marcus Mariota under center, we only call 17 pass plays per game. Maybe we call only 24-26, but there's no way we take the ball out of his hands for quarters of a game. Not to mention it's a chicken and egg scenario. Are we super run dominant because we are deficient at QB and it's worked out for us? Or it's worked and in reality TT can actually shine as a passer? I tend to the former. A different game, but Michigan didn't run the offense they did with Denard Robinson just because they scored a lot. To your question, no. Because that stat doesn't tell the whole story. EJ put us in the top 5 for scoring over the two weeks he played last season and you'd "expect" us to have been in a winning team if that was the only stat you got. When you throw the rest of the stats in the pot, as well as what you see with your eyes, we're right were I expected to be. Some games where we hit a bunch of HR's and blow teams out. Other games where we sputter for 3Q's and our defense dies on the field. And right around .500. Good post. To your comment about EJ, that is why being top 10 in scoring since 2015 is relevant here: its not a fluke. Any team can have a good 2-3 game stretch. We are talking about 27 games we are in top 10 scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Late to the discussion but worth noting, the OP is out of context and important details are incorrect. The comment from White was a response to an email touting teams desire to have a QB with a 60% comp percentage and a 2:1 TD:INT ratio. White then noted that this was nothing special and that 25 QBs are at 2:1 or better. Adding in rushing TDs he is 4:1 tds to ints. That is something special. I knew the stat posted by jtsp was wrong but it still piqued my interest to do some digging. Tyrod is 23rd in the league in passing tds. Tied with "elite" Joe Flacco. Tyrod is 38th in passing attempts per game. 33rd if you limit it to 200+ passes. Tyrod is 15th in the league in rushing tds. More than Todd Gurley and Leveon Bell. Tyrod is 32nd in Rushing yards per game if you limit it to 70+ rushes or 37th if you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 (edited) Has anyone figured out where TT would fall on the list if you included rushing TD's by QB also? Does TT's passing game leave a lot to be desired? Yes but you can't just ignore his ability to keep drives alive with his legs. I don't have the time or desire to look this up myself, but do know that my eyes don't lie as he does bring more to the table than the many crusaders here wish to acknowledge. Oh thank you, someone just did figure that out for me I'm waiting till February when this place will really explode if the Bill's keep TT. I'm guessing they will as not likely to find a better option out there. Unless they decide to run down to Walmart and pick up a franchise QB on the overstocked table. Edited November 28, 2016 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Adding in rushing TDs he is 4:1 tds to ints. That is something special. Nonsense. You cant win with those numbers. You need to throw for 300yds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Nonsense. You cant win with those numbers. You need to throw for 300yds. We haven't won with those numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 We haven't won with those numbers. But we have a winning record with him as a starter dont we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 But we have a winning record with him as a starter dont we? We had a winning record with Orton as a starter too. Being a solitary uptick from .500 doesn't get you into the postseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 We had a winning record with Orton as a starter too. Being a solitary uptick from .500 doesn't get you into the postseason. 14-11 as a starter for Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 14-11 as a starter for Tyrod. 6-5 as a starter in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 We had a winning record with Orton as a starter too. Being a solitary uptick from .500 doesn't get you into the postseason. 4 games above .500 in this league is considered a good season. And Orton did it over a short stretch, not comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 27 starting QB have a 3:1 TD:Int ratio or better. 27. So, it kinda looks like not turning the ball over isn't necessarily an indicator of a solid NFL starter. It looks like it's a quality just about EVERY qb has. Not hardly. 2 or better is close. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/passing.htm NAME Team Age Pos G GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% TD/INT Ratio Rate QBR Sk Yds Tom Brady NWE 39 qb 7 7 175 256 68.4 2201 18 7 1 0.4 18.0 116.7 89 11 62 Dak Prescott DAL 23 QB 11 11 231 340 67.9 2835 18 5.3 2 0.6 9.0 108.6 82.8 15 89 Derek Carr OAK 25 QB 11 11 281 423 66.4 3115 22 5.2 5 1.2 4.4 100.5 62.8 13 50 Matt Ryan ATL 31 QB 11 11 262 380 68.9 3516 26 6.8 6 1.6 4.3 114.3 85.3 27 182 Sam Bradford MIN 29 QB 10 10 248 348 71.3 2415 12 3.4 3 0.9 4.0 98.3 72.9 26 189 Mat Stafford DET 28 QB 11 11 261 391 66.8 2883 19 4.9 5 1.3 3.8 99.3 70.1 25 147 Drew Brees NOR 37 QB 11 11 326 456 71.5 3587 30 6.6 8 1.8 3.8 109.1 66.1 18 123 Aaron Rodgers GNB 33 QB 10 10 259 410 63.2 2761 25 6.1 7 1.7 3.6 96 72.9 24 157 C. Kaepernick SFO 29 qb 7 6 115 208 55.3 1440 10 4.8 3 1.4 3.3 87 73.2 18 110 Roethlisberger PIT 34 QB 10 10 242 373 64.9 2745 23 6.2 7 1.9 3.3 99.5 73.5 14 123 Marcus Mariota TEN 23 QB 12 12 243 378 64.3 2998 25 6.6 8 2.1 3.1 101.9 54.4 18 129 Cody Kessler CLE 23 qb 8 8 126 192 65.6 1369 6 3.1 2 1 3.0 92.6 55.6 19 129 Jared Goff LAR 22 qb 3 2 37 63 58.7 348 3 4.8 1 1.6 3.0 83.3 4 45 Kirk Cousins WAS 28 QB 11 11 299 437 68.4 3540 20 4.6 7 1.6 2.9 101.4 58.2 14 108 Russell Wilson SEA 28 QB 11 11 238 368 64.7 2865 11 3 4 1.1 2.8 93.9 59.6 26 205 Tyrod Taylor BUF 27 QB 11 11 193 313 61.7 2101 11 3.5 4 1.3 2.8 87.8 67.3 30 136 Alex Smith KAN 32 QB 10 10 229 346 66.2 2297 10 2.9 4 1.2 2.5 89.7 50.7 24 124 Andrew Luck IND 27 QB 10 10 236 375 62.9 2827 19 5.1 8 2.1 2.4 93.9 68.3 35 219 Trevor Siemian DEN 24 QB 10 10 195 325 60 2396 15 4.6 7 2.2 2.1 89.2 55.2 24 136 Eli Manning NYG 35 QB 11 11 261 413 63.2 2902 20 4.8 10 2.4 2.0 90.1 60.2 13 75 Andy Dalton CIN 29 QB 11 11 259 408 63.5 3043 12 2.9 6 1.5 2.0 89.7 64.5 32 188 Jameis Winston TAM 22 QB 11 11 249 406 61.3 2900 22 5.4 11 2.7 2.0 89.7 59.7 23 155 Paxton Lynch DEN 22 qb 2 1 37 59 62.7 393 2 3.4 1 1.7 2.0 86.3 38.1 7 40 Philip Rivers SDG 35 QB 11 11 251 399 62.9 3128 23 5.8 12 3 1.9 93.9 74.4 26 142 Ryan Tannehill MIA 28 QB 11 11 217 329 66 2574 15 4.6 8 2.4 1.9 94.7 43.1 26 194 Cam Newton CAR 27 QB 10 10 189 338 55.9 2432 13 3.8 8 2.4 1.6 81.6 56 27 208 Carson Wentz PHI 24 QB 10 10 225 356 63.2 2339 11 3.1 7 2 1.6 84.2 54.1 21 118 Blake Bortles JAX 24 QB 11 11 263 441 59.6 2749 20 4.5 13 2.9 1.5 80.6 50.6 23 132 Carson Palmer ARI 37 QB 10 10 252 414 60.9 2931 15 3.6 11 2.7 1.4 83.3 51.2 32 222 Joe Flacco BAL 31 QB 11 11 285 450 63.3 2877 11 2.4 10 2.2 1.1 80.4 57.1 23 176 Josh McCowan CLE 37 qb 5 3 90 165 54.5 1100 6 3.6 6 3.6 1.0 72.3 63.8 18 126 Landry Jones PIT 27 qb 6 1 29 49 59.2 281 1 2 1 2 1.0 73.6 3.3 0 0 Drew Stanton ARI 32 qb 4 1 17 44 38.6 184 2 4.5 2 4.5 1.0 47.9 27.6 1 8 Bryce Petty NYJ 25 qb 2 1 21 34 61.8 182 1 2.9 1 2.9 1.0 73.4 1 6 Brock Osweiler HOU 26 QB 11 11 238 400 59.5 2307 12 3 13 3.3 0.9 72.2 50 20 152 Blaine Gabbert SFO 27 qb 5 5 87 150 58 890 5 3.3 6 4 0.8 69.6 62 10 40 Case Keenum LAR 28 qb 9 9 191 313 61 2169 9 2.9 11 3.5 0.8 76.8 46.4 23 140 Jay Cutler CHI 33 qb 5 5 81 137 59.1 1059 4 2.9 5 3.6 0.8 78.1 40.4 17 104 R Fitzpatrick NYJ 34 qb 10 9 190 330 57.6 2252 10 3 13 3.9 0.8 72.2 55.9 18 73 Matt Barkley CHI 26 qb 2 1 34 69 49.3 397 3 4.3 4 5.8 0.8 57.5 1 10 Derek Anderson CAR 33 qb 3 1 36 52 69.2 453 2 3.8 4 7.7 0.5 76.8 28.3 0 0 Scott Tolzien IND 29 qb 1 1 22 36 61.1 205 1 2.8 2 5.6 0.5 62.8 3 21 Brian Hoyer CHI 31 qb 6 5 134 200 67 1445 6 3 0 0 6 TDs 0 INTs 98 63.7 4 18 Jimmy Garoppolo NWE 25 qb 4 2 42 60 70 496 4 6.7 0 0 4 TDs 0 INTs 117.1 91.6 3 15 Nick Foles KAN 27 qb 2 1 36 55 65.5 410 3 5.5 0 0 3 TDs 0 INTs 105.9 4 34 Jacoby Brissett NWE 24 qb 3 2 34 55 61.8 400 0 0 0 0 0 TDs 0 INTs 83.9 48 6 46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 4 games above .500 in this league is considered a good season. And Orton did it over a short stretch, not comparable. We are not 4 games above .500 this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 We are not 4 games above .500 this season. it doesn't matter. We have a QB who protects the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 We are not 4 games above .500 this season. We are not but the season isnt over yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 We are not but the season isnt over yet. It only takes 1 week against a good team to spiral back to .500. Let's hope this week isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billschinatown Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 (edited) You're welcome -and invited- to leave. lol. Thanks for running a tight ship. Just in case i'm getting banned......i want to be clear about what i'm saying: Go !@#$ yourself. Edited November 28, 2016 by Billschinatown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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