Maury Ballstein Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 You are failing to recognize he is throwing far far less than those guys. You are failing to recognize that his ability to escape is the only reason this team is putting up points. Continue cherry picking stats out of context to fit your warped 24x7 agenda of hatred towards Tyrod.. We are putting up the most points since 1992 because of his fit into this offense... Imagine what a real qb like Chandler or O Donnell would score. You're a trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Tell you what, if you're convinced it's otherwise, why not show us? There have been plenty of sources showing otherwise. Start right here: http://www.cover1.net/ I mean, here's a guy with no skin in the game, that watches every game on All-22, every week: Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit Nov 23 Film: #Bills pass pro was great, but Taylor obscures that w/ tendency to move when it gets a little late in the down (eve if pocket clean). Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit Nov 23 #Bills #Bengals Film: Taylor no pocket poise early on, moved in a perfect pocket a number of times. Johnson sack was another example. Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit Nov 23 A QB could go to the Pro Bowl every year if he made half the throws that Tyrod Taylor leaves out on the field each week. Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit Nov 23 #Bills #Bengals Film: Taylor left a Clay 35-yd TD on the field not targeting trips LOS TE deep post (which was plays design). Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit Nov 23 #Bills #Bengals Film: 2nd play of game Woods open deep. Taylor, frenetic in a roomy pocket, threw to Bush (RAC made it 18 – still bad QBing) I posted this earlier in the thread, but someone conveniently ignored it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Imagine what a real qb like Chandler or O Donnell would score. You're a trip. They would take sack after sack in the pocket. But don't consider the horse for the course cause in your world statistics are transferrable and other nuances of the offense mean nothing... Continue to Hate for the sake of hating though it is your right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 I posted this earlier in the thread, but someone conveniently ignored it. I saw that--good stuff. They would take sack after sack in the pocket. But don't consider the horse for the course cause in your world statistics are transferrable and other nuances of the offense mean nothing... Continue to Hate for the sake of hating though it is your right. I have to ask: do you not consider the possibility that both cases are true? That Taylor is very good at extending plays, AND that he often bails from clean pockets too early? I mean, Tyrod is dead last in the NFL in time-to-throw, taking an average of 3.15 seconds per pass. That's 44th among 44 QBs that have played. http://www.nfl.com/stats/ngs/timetothrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 29, 2016 Author Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) They would take sack after sack in the pocket. But don't consider the horse for the course cause in your world statistics are transferrable and other nuances of the offense mean nothing... Continue to Hate for the sake of hating though it is your right. In the NFL, if an offensive line can provide 3 seconds of clean protection they have done an exemplary job. Tyrod helds the ball almost a full second longer than that on average this past game. Tyrod is causing his own sacks. Edited November 29, 2016 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 They would take sack after sack in the pocket. But don't consider the horse for the course cause in your world statistics are transferrable and other nuances of the offense mean nothing... Continue to Hate for the sake of hating though it is your right. Or they would get rid of the ball in a timely manner and accumulate yards and wins. Cool story though. You will move up in the CoT soon with the excuses and blinders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Yeah, but.. League history has many examples of middling/poor QB's who've been at the helm of their teams' Super Bowl seasons. Earl Morrall, Trent Dilfer, Joe Kapp, Craig Morton (2 different teams), Vince Ferragamo, David Woodley, Tony Eason, Mark Rypien, Stan Humphries, Neil O'Donnell, Chris Chandler, Kerry Collins, Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman & Colin Kaepernick. Additionally, a couple crappy QB's led their team to SB glory coming off the bench in the playoffs via injury to the starter; Hostetler & Doug Williams. 5 of these scrap-pilers won the damn game! edit: including 2 against US! My point isn't to blow your point out of the water -tough it's a nice effect, it's about good to very good teams winning through the playoffs, getting to the Big Game and sometimes winning it without stellar QB play. Through less than 2 seasons, is Tyrod Taylor a worse QB than Dilfer, Ferragamo, Woodley, Rypien, Humphries, Collins, Kaep & Grossman? Not IMO. But ... is Tyrod after 24 career starts better than Kaep after his first 24 career starts? Better than Rypien's first 24? This is always a problem with player evaluation: a guy's relatively good start to a career may turn out to be a career season or two that happens on the front end rather than in the classic "prime" years. We can say Tyrod is better than Kaep because we know Kaep was exposed in his 3rd and 4th years as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Isn't the entire league scoring more points than it was in 1992? Well then Commonsense would dictate that if the entire league has been scoring more than 1992 and has been for sometime now but the Bills are now only reaching that point it is because of Tyrod's fit into this system and this teams personnel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 They would take sack after sack in the pocket. But don't consider the horse for the course cause in your world statistics are transferrable and other nuances of the offense mean nothing... Continue to Hate for the sake of hating though it is your right. Dude, he bails on clean pockets, therefor he doesn't need to run half the time. He has the most time in the league for pass protection and his receivers are wide open yet he still refuses to throw the damn ball to them. Tyrod sucks, no other way to describe it. Stop with the excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) I saw that--good stuff. I have to ask: do you not consider the possibility that both cases are true? That Taylor is very good at extending plays, AND that he often bails from clean pockets too early? I mean, Tyrod is dead last in the NFL in time-to-throw, taking an average of 3.15 seconds per pass. That's 44th among 44 QBs that have played. http://www.nfl.com/stats/ngs/timetothrow Does Time to pass include time he spends running out of trouble when pass protection breaks down? If so then it is not a relevant statistic. Dude, he bails on clean pockets, therefor he doesn't need to run half the time. He has the most time in the league for pass protection and his receivers are wide open yet he still refuses to throw the damn ball to them. Tyrod sucks, no other way to describe it. Stop with the excuses. Dude does he bail because no one is open and has only so much time. Does he bail cause it freezes DB's and LB's because they can't commit vs run or pass??? It isn't as cut and dry as you haters are trying to sell it. He is the QB for this system and really one of a very few that would work. How is "Pass protection" time measured?? Cause sure looks like the pocket collapses very quickly most of the time. Edited November 29, 2016 by jms62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Does Time to pass include time he spends running out of trouble when pass protection breaks down? If so then it is not a relevant statistic. Excuse after excuse after excuse. Add in 20 more and you can overtake jfh at the CoT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Excuse after excuse after excuse. Add in 20 more and you can overtake jfh at the CoT How is that an excuse? It is a question. You are laughable and a sad man hating 24x7. What is the Real Reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 29, 2016 Author Share Posted November 29, 2016 Does Time to pass include time he spends running out of trouble when pass protection breaks down? If so then it is not a relevant statistic. Dude does he bail because no one is open and has only so much time. Does he bail cause it freezes DB's and LB's because they can't commit vs run or pass??? It isn't as cut and dry as you haters are trying to sell it. He is the QB for this system and really one of a very few that would work. How is "Pass protection" time measured?? Cause sure looks like the pocket collapses very quickly most of the time. ... I've always been curious how it must feel to be wrong about absolutely everything. Does it hurt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 How is that an excuse? It is a question. You are laughable and a sad man hating 24x7. What is the Real Reason? Keep ignoring post #811. I guess made up excuses work better for you, must be fun living in fantasy land. I apologize for my 20/20 vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Does Time to pass include time he spends running out of trouble when pass protection breaks down? If so then it is not a relevant statistic. If you read the description then you'd already know the answer to that. You don't need to be spoon-fed. If you think it's irrelevant, then why don't we look at other "scrambling" QBs and see what their Time To Throw looks like? Alex Smith - 2.36 (1st) Russell Wilson - 2.56 (19th) Cam Newton - 2.68 (31st) Marcus Mariota - 2.73 (32nd) Aaron Rodgers - 2.80 (35th) Colin Kaepernick - 2.85 (38th) None of them are above 3 full seconds to throw the ball. Here's what's interesting, let's look at each team's QB hits and sacks allowed: Buffalo - 31 sacks, 59 hits KC - 28 sacks, 58 hits Seattle - 26 sacks, 71 hits Carolina - 27 sacks, 71 hits Tennessee - 18 sacks, 37 hits Green Bay - 24 sacks, 49 hits SF - 28 sacks, 56 hits Wouldn't it make sense that--if it truly was the OL and/or receivers that were the problem--Tyrod would be taking more hits and sacks than the other guys, given how long he holds the ball? He's not, and since he's not particularly good at getting the ball out of his hands, nor is he particularly good at avoiding contact, it only stands to reason that the OL is actually doing quite a good job at protecting him. Compare it to teams like KC, Seattle, Carolina, and SF, whose QBs hold the ball for nearly a half-second less time, yet they still get hit as often or more than Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) But ... is Tyrod after 24 career starts better than Kaep after his first 24 career starts? Better than Rypien's first 24? This is always a problem with player evaluation: a guy's relatively good start to a career may turn out to be a career season or two that happens on the front end rather than in the classic "prime" years. We can say Tyrod is better than Kaep because we know Kaep was exposed in his 3rd and 4th years as a starter. The league has changed considerably since Rypien was a starting NFL QB. Roughing and PI calls have dramatically altered how defenses can play. It's opened the game up and facilitated QB success much earlier. As for Kaepernick, his inaccuracy has relegated him to being far less effective today than he was in 2012-13. The point of this thread is that TT has not improved all that much from 2015. Before All-22, people would blame the play-calling, but it's clear this falls on the QB who doesn't trust himself to make throws in tight windows. People wanted to see something, but he's largely the same guy (in the 2nd year of this system) that he was in 2015. The days where it took 2+ seasons for a QB to develop are over. Edited November 29, 2016 by BillsVet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 hard to "improve" when your #1, #2 & #3 WR, #1 & #2 RB , #1 center , #1 RT are all injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 You are failing to recognize he is throwing far far less than those guys. You are failing to recognize that his ability to escape is the only reason this team is putting up points. Continue cherry picking stats out of context to fit your warped 24x7 agenda of hatred towards Tyrod.. We are putting up the most points since 1992 because of his fit into this offense... Agenda really look at your statement "You are failing to recognize that his ability to escape is the only reason this team is putting up points." Really? Who has the agenda and not looking at things objectively. hard to "improve" when your #1, #2 & #3 WR, #1 & #2 RB , #1 center , #1 RT are all injured. More excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) By definition, clean pocket right here: Edited November 29, 2016 by quinnearlysghost88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Here's a positive for Tyrod from the Jags game. @YardsPerPass - On big pass play to 14, TT does a great job looking off FS - Bills also struggled vs Ramsey on the edge, best CB in run support I've seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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