boyst Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Why treat Ray Rice different? Ooo i can think of a reason, why some are kneeling during the Anthemwho treated him different? Get out of here with this. Its clear where you wanna go.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Hardy and Rice were punished. Reyes and Chapman were punished by MLB. Teams were happy to have them. Fans didn't care---or at least we didn't hear if they did because no one cares (nationally) about MLB until (maybe) the WS rolls around. The NFL on the other hand, dominates the news cycle year round. And we are forced to be outraged because we are told to be...until we aren't any more (and the season starts..) Players "check in with" Mike Freeman?? mike freeman (@mikefreemanNFL) tweeted at 7:27 PM on Thu, Oct 20, 2016: This is developing into a huge problem for the NFL. mike freeman (@mikefreemanNFL) tweeted at 7:33 PM on Thu, Oct 20, 2016: Other players texting not about race. More about NFL doing favors for owners who have good relationship with Goodell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Hardy and Rice were punished. Reyes and Chapman were punished by MLB. Teams were happy to have them. Fans didn't care---or at least we didn't hear if they did because no one cares (nationally) about MLB until (maybe) the WS rolls around. The NFL on the other hand, dominates the news cycle year round. And we are forced to be outraged because we are told to be...until we aren't any more (and the season starts..) Players "check in with" Mike Freeman?? IMO, Hardy and Rice were such big issues because of the pictures and video. Those images were damaging for both of them. The Brown documents (or journal, whatever it is) is not pretty either. The details have made those issues feel real as opposed to Chapman firing off a gun in his garage. That feels a lot less real than Rice punching his wife on video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 who treated him different? Get out of here with this. Its clear where you wanna go.. Yeah really? Ok. Well NFL reporters starting to say the exact same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Yeah really? Ok. Well NFL reporters starting to say the exact same thinggreat. What's that mean? Again. What you're trying to make an argument doesn't belong here. If you want to take that approach go to the PPP thread. Don't be so petty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 great. What's that mean? Again. What you're trying to make an argument doesn't belong here. If you want to take that approach go to the PPP thread. Don't be so petty Yeah guess it is Petty that Ray Rice out of a job, Greg Hardy out of a job after being put on the Commish suspended list for a year. Josh Brown still on a roster and getting paid, and NFL Security also involved in relocating family at Probowl. Nothing to see here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) IMO, Hardy and Rice were such big issues because of the pictures and video. Those images were damaging for both of them. The Brown documents (or journal, whatever it is) is not pretty either. The details have made those issues feel real as opposed to Chapman firing off a gun in his garage. That feels a lot less real than Rice punching his wife on video. The cops were called to Chapmans because his girlfriend said he choked her and slammed her against the wall. He also then fired a gun 8 times in his garage and out his window. Point is, fans didn't care in NY or Chicago. Yeah guess it is Petty that Ray Rice out of a job, Greg Hardy out of a job after being put on the Commish suspended list for a year. Josh Brown still on a roster and getting paid, and NFL Security also involved in relocating family at Probowl. Nothing to see here But @mikefreeman just said it's because Mara is a friend of Goodell's. I'd go with what players are checking in with @mikefreeman with... Nothing to see here.. Edited October 21, 2016 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 @greggrosenthal McAdoo: It was a tough conversation with Josh. ... We're not going to turn our back on Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 @AlbertBreer Btw, unless the NFL gives the Giants a roster exemption for Robbie Gould, a player will lose his job so the team can hang on to Josh Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Why treat Ray Rice different? Ooo i can think of a reason, why some are kneeling during the Anthem If you're going to make an assertion like this, it helps to have the history straight. Steve Bisciotti was fully behind Rice and didn't want to impose greater punishment, but once the video came out the NFL forced his hand. He has been supportive of Rice throughout the process and went public that Rice deserves another chance in the league. In that sense, Giants treating of Brown looks to be more severe than that of Rice if you compare the timelines and that no video evidence exists for Brown, but was very damning in Rice's case. But I know, it's all about the race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 If you're going to make an assertion like this, it helps to have the history straight. Steve Bisciotti was fully behind Rice and didn't want to impose greater punishment, but once the video came out the NFL forced his hand. He has been supportive of Rice throughout the process and went public that Rice deserves another chance in the league. In that sense, Giants treating of Brown looks to be more severe than that of Rice if you compare the timelines and that no video evidence exists for Brown, but was very damning in Rice's case. But I know, it's all about the race. Its about Perception, and when you have players saying that he is getting treated different than you have a problem in the NFL when a majority of your players are of that race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 There is a reason the NFL hasn't sought to move on drug use, including marajuana. the nfl has. in the last year it raised the amount required to test positive, and lowered the penalties for positive tests personally, i still think the nfl likes having a bargaining chip with the NFLPA as a big part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Its about Perception, and when you have players saying that he is getting treated different than you have a problem in the NFL when a majority of your players are of that race. And apparently you have no qualms in perpetuating the false perception, because the Baltimore owner was more supportive of his player than the NYG owner. And as long as people continue to run false narratives to support their prejudiced views, you'll continue to have people sitting for the national anthem on false pretenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) And apparently you have no qualms in perpetuating the false perception, because the Baltimore owner was more supportive of his player than the NYG owner. And as long as people continue to run false narratives to support their prejudiced views, you'll continue to have people sitting for the national anthem on false pretenses. Really Ravens More supportive. Has Josh Brown lost his Job yet? Was Josh Brown given a new Deal even though the Giants knew about the DV issues? Apr 18 2016 Signed a 2 year $4 million contract with New York (NYG).......... NFL Security had to help his WIFE relocate at the freaking Probowl. Mara can say all he wants about not knowing. Edited October 21, 2016 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Its about Perception, and when you have players saying that he is getting treated different than you have a problem in the NFL when a majority of your players are of that race. Their feelings don't matter, as long as their feelings run counter to the facts. It is counter productive to treat a false narrative as if it has any value whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Really Ravens More supportive. Has Josh Brown lost his Job yet? Was Josh Brown given a new Deal even though the Giants knew about the DV issues? if you go back and look at the ravens situation -- they were behind rice up until the video. clearly they knew a knocked out woman was punched in the head by their player previous to seeing the video. it still bugs me that the actual video so drastically changed things in a "wtf did you think happened before you saw it" sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Their feelings don't matter, as long as their feelings run counter to the facts. It is counter productive to treat a false narrative as if it has any value whatsoever. What Narrative? That Rice was Cut and has not been able to get another Job? That Gregg Hardy was suspended for a year? That Josh Brown gets a NEW contract and Still getting paid even though NFL Security had to intervene during a DV incident? That Narrative? Or the other one that Commish treats Owners he has a relationship with Differently than other Owners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 So just to be clear: Josh Brown was investigated by the King County Sheriff's Department for domestic violence? They have him confessing to domestic violence? The prosecuting attorney declined to press charges? And the Giants are getting **** for not punishing him? Hey, people...how about we stop expecting the NFL to act as a law enforcement body? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 if you go back and look at the ravens situation -- they were behind rice up until the video. clearly they knew a knocked out woman was punched in the head by their player previous to seeing the video. it still bugs me that the actual video so drastically changed things in a "wtf did you think happened before you saw it" sense. And ONCE video came out Ravens Cut him right? So comes out NFL new about these issues. Mara admitted he knew about all the issues. Brown still on a team getting paid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Really Ravens More supportive. Has Josh Brown lost his Job yet? Was Josh Brown given a new Deal even though the Giants knew about the DV issues? Apr 18 2016 Signed a 2 year $4 million contract with New York (NYG).......... NFL Security had to help his WIFE relocate at the freaking Probowl. Mara can say all he wants about not knowing. Please be sure that you compare the proper timelines. NFL & Ravens were going to do nothing to Rice when news broke that he had an incident with his fiance at the casino. Then, they were going to suspend him for 2 days once video leaked out of him dragging her out from the elevator. It was only after the punch video was unearthed that he got blackballed. The entire process took months. But, yeah Brown is being treated better because he's white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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