PolishDave Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Like I said, my history of posts regarding TT suggests I think far more of him than you know. But go ahead and continue to let a few posts tell the whole story because it fits your assumption. Good for you. But I'm done with you. Sorry if I don't follow you around and read every post you have ever written. I didn't know that was a requirement of discussing football here. You're right that I made that comment based on what I read from you today and no it had nothing to do with the "make him a quarterback" quote. It was based on other comments in other threads. Sorry if it is not the impression you wanted to portray or not the real mindset you have toward the guy. I'm just calling as I see it based on what I read tonight. It honestly looked like you were just a bandwagon guy who was going with the attitude that everything wrong with this team is Tyrod's fault. You say your not. Fine by me. I'll take you at your word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Sorry if I don't follow you around and read every post you have ever written. I didn't know that was a requirement of discussing football here. You're right that I made that comment based on what I read from you today and no it had nothing to do with the "make him a quarterback" quote. It was based on other comments in other threads. Sorry if it is not the impression you wanted to portray or not the real mindset you have toward the guy. I'm just calling as I see it based on what I read tonight. It honestly looked like you were just a bandwagon guy who was going with the attitude that everything wrong with this team is Tyrod's fault. You say your not. Fine by me. I'll take you at your word. It probably should be a requirement of trying to malign someone personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I have not seen this talked about yet. Has anyone considered why Tyrod is not doing as good this year because opposing coaches now have a full season of game tape to help them plan ways to shut him down and can study his tendencies? What do you think? It's definitely the main topic in the Taylor Regressed thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I think Baltimore had years to know what Tyrod was good and not so good at, including film review of camp and practice every day for several years. So if a full year of tape was bad, starting the year against an opponent that drafted and coached the same guy from the beginning for 4 seasons couldn't have helped. You know people said the same thing about Eli Manning his 1st few years at QB. I live in NJ and NY and NJ HATED Eli. Said the same thing your saying. Eli got better and became a really good clutch QB. Its unlikely but possible TT gets better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 You know people said the same thing about Eli Manning his 1st few years at QB. I live in NJ and NY and NJ HATED Eli. Said the same thing your saying. Eli got better and became a really good clutch QB. Its unlikely but possible TT gets better.eli is and always has been first round talent. Tyrod Taylor. Not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I think Tyrod's biggest limitation was Roman's play calling. Here's hoping Anthony Lynn let's it all hang out. totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I think Tyrod's biggest limitation was Roman's play calling. Here's hoping Anthony Lynn let's it all hang out. Let's pray this is the case. It's been a long, long season already and we need some spark. Somehow even if we manage to turn it around, I have absolutely no confidence in Hex Ryan. He's bad juju for this team and I wish he were gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 The running game has been poor. In the first (2) games they have rushed for just 151 total yards. In the first (2) games last season the Bills had 307 rushing yards. It is a classic football problem (and Bills problem) when the running game isn't working. It puts the offense into a greater than usual amount of 3rd and long situations- obvious passing downs- that gives defenses the advantage and the QB the disadvantage. Last year they were doing much better at creating third and short situations which gives the offense the advantage. The defense has to prepare for the run or the pass- which can reduce the number of blitzes and the number of DBs in coverage. Get the running game going and Tyrod will be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Or hire Carson Wentz/Phil Rivers/Tom Brady and throw it every down. Get the running game going and Tyrod will be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I have not seen this talked about yet. Has anyone considered why Tyrod is not doing as good this year because opposing coaches now have a full season of game tape to help them plan ways to shut him down and can study his tendencies? What do you think? It was talked about a bit here and there in other threads. Some recap from what I remember/think: - Taylor's passing stats through 2 games are pretty similar to his from last season, except for his QBR which is notably lower this season. - His rushing stats are down from last season. - Most have concluded that he's trying to be more of a pocket passer than last season (either of his own volition or due to coaching/play calls), but that he's been pretty much exactly the same as last season as a passer. Him being "the guy" through the whole offseason hasn't resulted in the growth we've hoped for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I think Tyrod's biggest limitation was Roman's play calling. Here's hoping Anthony Lynn let's it all hang out. It's nice to hope that Roman was the reason. Two very tough games coming up that probably won't be a boost too his game or confidence either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I have not seen this talked about yet. Has anyone considered why Tyrod is not doing as good this year because opposing coaches now have a full season of game tape to help them plan ways to shut him down and can study his tendencies? What do you think? The guy is a gimmick QB, Alex Smith would look real good right about now. Whaley is a joke of a GM ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 (edited) The Jets had 13 games before last seasons finale, they had a whopping 1 more game before this years matchup. Tyrod is simply not playing well, the defenses arent really doing anything special. I am starting to think Tyrod's biggest weakness is his inability to sustain drives. There were times last year 3rd & 4 or 5 where he could of ran for the first down but chose not to. Against the jets when he threw that int down the sideline on 3rd down, he had someone wide open in the flat(not sure who it was) he would of picked up the first down easily. Instead he throws the ball 30 yards down field. He has got to be better at that. Edited September 21, 2016 by Gordio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Through all the threads you have said this I can't tell if you are trolling because you think he can't be a QB or you are just saying it because you want him to be one. Simply because the opposing teams in two consecutive weeks, when asked about how the Defense neutralized Tyrod, stated these exact sentiments in the post-game pressers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 (edited) The guy is a gimmick QB, Alex Smith would look real good right about now. Whaley is a joke of a GM ..... You mean that #1 overall pick who legit sucked for his first 5 years in the league? And probably got his first GM fired...? I am starting to think Tyrod's biggest weakness is his inability to sustain drives. There were times last year 3rd & 4 or 5 where he could of ran for the first down but chose not to. Against the jets when he threw that int down the sideline on 3rd down, he had someone wide open in the flat(not sure who it was) he would of picked up the first down easily. Instead he throws the ball 30 yards down field. He has got to be better at that. Hated the throw on that one, because it was a bad throw. Love the idea, because i figured we'd go for it on 4th down anyway. Edited September 21, 2016 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Part of it is likely the effectiveness of the running game, though I believe this year the philosophy will have to be flipped and we will need to Pass to open up the Run. Just my opinion based on how defenses have set up against us. The other part, and I believe this is our entire coaching staff's biggest failure, is that you need to tailor your schemes to your personnel's strengths. Tyrod is exceptional when he is on the move, able to extend plays, and he keeps his eyes downfield for the big plays that really hurt the defense. If it is clear that the defense wants to keep him in the pocket, why are we scheming to help them? Let's get some moving pockets, some designed rollouts, and some run/pass options to force defenses to adjust to our talent's strengths instead of playing directly into their hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 (edited) Simply because the opposing teams in two consecutive weeks, when asked about how the Defense neutralized Tyrod, stated these exact sentiments in the post-game pressers. And it seemed like Roman's game plan was to create impossible 3rd down situations. I feel like his run plays were very predictable zone runs to the edge. If you're disciplined and stay in your gap, and your corners can tackle, you will blow them up more often than not. Why not run from under center, split your receivers out wider, add a slot receiver. Make them decide if they want to play nickel or base D. Then we have the advantage of quick passing depending on how they line up, as well as adding clay or a full back as a lead blocker to try and open up holes to get a few yards. Edited September 21, 2016 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 (edited) Perhaps you should read EVERY post I've made about TT since training camp LAST YEAR and you will know just how out of line you are here. Feel free to go find somebody who actually doesn't like TT. In the meantime, I'll continue to offer honest criticism of his play. I'll defend this stance. I also like TT but your 100% dead on. He needs to become a QB. Opposing D coordinators now have a blue print. Make him be a QB is simple. He has to make decisions throwing the ball down field. His reads have been atrocious and has missed WR's that have been wide open. Edited September 21, 2016 by BeefCurtns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 You mean that #1 overall pick who legit sucked for his first 5 years in the league? And probably got his first GM fired...? Also the Alex Smith who won a playoff game last year and came back from 21 pt deficit in week 1. He has improved as has Dalton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 And it seemed like Roman's game plan was to create impossible 3rd down situations. I feel like his run plays were very predictable zone runs to the edge. If you're disciplined and stay in your gap, and your corners can tackle, you will blow them up more often than not. Why not run from under center, split your receivers out wider, add a slot receiver. Make them decide if they want to play nickel or base D. Then we have the advantage of quick passing depending on how they line up, as well as adding clay or a full back as a lead blocker to try and open up holes to get a few yards. Obviously, no way of knowing definitively but I would say this sums up some of the frustrations Rex and Co. had with Roman. This, also makes it difficult to say without equivocation that Tyrod *can't* be the type of QB Buffalo needs, because it's a bit of the chicken-egg scenario. However, in full disclosure I've not been sold on Tyrod since he was brought in, but supported him and hoped he could turn the corner for the sake of making the BILLS a legitimate playoff contender. However, I just think an NFL caliber - franchise QB over the LONG term, is a pocket passer who can read Defenses, call audibles, and make the necessary throws but does not necessarily have to have a rocket launcher for an arm, just strong enough, especially in Buffalo (until we get a dome-esque type field). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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