IDBillzFan Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Your argument boils down to "I've done well because I've worked hard and made the right choices therefore anyone who hasn't done well must be lazy and has made the wrong choices" I'm just extending your argument which is poverty is a choice and circumstance doesn't really matter. Excellent article here about Bills prospect Kevon Seymour. Born into a cycle of poverty and crime that goes back at least three generations, he made difference choices and broke the cycle. And no, before your inner gatorman pops up, this isn't about his choice to play football. Read the story. Find the choices he made. They'll be obvious even to a person like you, who needs to blame the problems and circumstances of "those who won't" almost exclusively on "those who did." Laziest thinking ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 I don't think you know what the word concerted means- perhaps you mean conscious So you are putting her on a Performance Improvement plan but have already decided to fire her in 30 days - may I ask where you work? It's pretty simple, if she can't show up and clock in on time, and has to leave with an scuse all the time, 30 days should be sufficient- we have had documented discussion about these issues, the PIP is a HR formality, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 So you are putting her on a Performance Improvement plan but have already decided to fire her in 30 days - may I ask where you work? What world do you live in? No one puts an employee on a PIP who they haven't decided to fire already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Your argument boils down to "I've done well because I've worked hard and made the right choices therefore anyone who hasn't done well must be lazy and has made the wrong choices" I'm just extending your argument which is poverty is a choice and circumstance doesn't really matter. Excellent article here about Bills prospect Kevon Seymour. Born into a cycle of poverty and crime that goes back at least three generations, he made difference choices and broke the cycle. And no, before your inner gatorman pops up, this isn't about his choice to play football. Read the story. Find the choices he made. They'll be obvious even to a person like you, who needs to blame the problems and circumstances of "those who won't" almost exclusively on "those who did." Laziest thinking ever. Dude, I just described Chef's argument, which you then basically repeat with an anecdotal story- It seems like you are agreeing with my description of Chef's argument and are telling me you share his argument - if you are trying to make a different point please clarify. What world do you live in? No one puts an employee on a PIP who they haven't decided to fire already. So you would describe putting an employee on PIP as a token gesture to avoid wrongful termination lawsuits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 So you would describe putting an employee on PIP as a token gesture to avoid wrongful termination lawsuits Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 I've had MULTIPLE of them in the past 6 months. Now I'm in debt >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Yes. PIP is code for CYA... Bob's an MD is I recall, they typically have little insight to things outside of the exam room... which is appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 PIP is code for CYA... Bob's an MD is I recall, they typically have little insight to things outside of the exam room... which is appropriate. Anyone who's ever read an HR handbook knows PIP is code for CYA...and for "update your resume." Bob doesn't understand that because Bob thinks employment is a charitable institution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Anyone who's ever read an HR handbook knows PIP is code for CYA...and for "update your resume." Bob doesn't understand that because Bob thinks employment is a charitable institution. Unbelievable. I wonder what ..booby's suggestion would be to fire people who deserve to be fired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Anyone who's ever read an HR handbook knows PIP is code for CYA...and for "update your resume." Bob doesn't understand that because Bob thinks employment is a charitable institution. Bob works for a non-profit, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Unbelievable. I wonder what ..booby's suggestion would be to fire people who deserve to be fired? For us it's easy. Been nice knowin' ya. There's the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 (edited) so, in conclusion, it's the circle jerks opinion that 2/3 of the us population are worthless, low life, good for nothing, lazy scumbags, that are unwilling to pull their own weight. why do any of you choose to live in a country that is full of these people? Edited May 23, 2016 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjamie12 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 so, in conclusion, it's the circle jerks opinion that 2/3 of the us population are worthless, low life, good for nothing, lazy scumbags, that are unwilling to pull their own weight. why do any of you choose to live in a country that is full of these people? It's actually the circle jerk's opinion that 2/3 of the US population have (and continue to make) poor financial decisions. Why you feel the need to ascribe words like "worthless", "low-life", and "scumbags" to that is your issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 It's actually the circle jerk's opinion that 2/3 of the US population have (and continue to make) poor financial decisions. Why you feel the need to ascribe words like "worthless", "low-life", and "scumbags" to that is your issue. Bird isn't good with comparisons. To him a spleen surgey is the same as a labrum surgery after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 (edited) It's actually the circle jerk's opinion that 2/3 of the US population have (and continue to make) poor financial decisions. Why you feel the need to ascribe words like "worthless", "low-life", and "scumbags" to that is your issue. it was mean to be spelled "jerks"- a double entendre . but I didn't see any of the jerks challenge this assertion: "I think you misinterpret laziness or bad choices for complacency. It's funny that you think adversity, luck, the sperm lottery, and fate play a role with a person's financial life, but hard work and dedication are shrugged off as meaningless or ineffective. Nothing is guaranteed in life, yes sometimes you can pour everything you have into something and still fail. However, I am hesitant to believe in the internet and entertainment age we live in, that everyone is pouring everything they have into being successful and still just failing." so it's not laziness, it's complacency. people are satisfied having no emergency cash. got it what are the opposites of hard work and dedication? incidentally, these aren't isolated sentiments in a single thread. i'll stick by my characterization, thank you very much. Edited May 23, 2016 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 so, in conclusion, it's the circle jerks opinion that 2/3 of the us population are worthless, low life, good for nothing, lazy scumbags, that are unwilling to pull their own weight. why do any of you choose to live in a country that is full of these people? It's no surprise you've come to the wrong conclusion. Thanks for playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 It's no surprise you've come to the wrong conclusion. Thanks for playing. That's what you like to see in your medical professional. Stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 it was mean to be spelled "jerks"- a double entendre . but I didn't see any of the jerks challenge this assertion: "I think you misinterpret laziness or bad choices for complacency. It's funny that you think adversity, luck, the sperm lottery, and fate play a role with a person's financial life, but hard work and dedication are shrugged off as meaningless or ineffective. Nothing is guaranteed in life, yes sometimes you can pour everything you have into something and still fail. However, I am hesitant to believe in the internet and entertainment age we live in, that everyone is pouring everything they have into being successful and still just failing." so it's not laziness, it's complacency. people are satisfied having no emergency cash. got it what are the opposites of hard work and dedication? incidentally, these aren't isolated sentiments in a single thread. i'll stick by my characterization, thank you very much. Idiot of the month status locked in. 15 games ahead of Tiberius and Truth on Hold. Nice work Bird. Tsw/PPP so versatile. Spleen > Skelton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 It's no surprise you've come to the wrong conclusion. Thanks for playing. what is the opposite of hard work? the opposite of dedication? what descriptor does not "pouring everything into being successful" imply. now it's a circle jerk concerted straw man attack. par for the putt putt course of tsw. that and calling something that is clearly black, white, while denying the existence of gray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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