Beerball Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Maybe somewhere in between? I see that Jones worked with Whitfield and I wonder what affect he has on a QB other than touting them from the rooftops even if they suck (Manziel). Has anyone taken a deep look at this guy & if so, what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Maybe somewhere in between? I see that Jones worked with Whitfield and I wonder what affect he has on a QB other than touting them from the rooftops even if they suck (Manziel). Has anyone taken a deep look at this guy & if so, what do you think? http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/george-whitfield-qb-coach-afl-060414 http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/4/1/8324401/george-whitfield-interview-response-jameis-winston-pro-day-shaun-king I have heard 2 things about his work with Cardale Jones: 1) he persuaded Jones to throw the football in a conventional way, shifting his grip to the laces (good) 2) he coached Jones to start under center with his left foot back to get out of the center's way (apparently bad), and Lee promptly corrected that and told him to start with his feet parallel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) 2) he coached Jones to start under center with his left foot back to get out of the center's way (apparently bad), and Lee promptly corrected that and told him to start with his feet parallel That's pretty weird because I've spoken to a couple of former college QB's (D3 guys) and they've both said they were taught to use their left foot back as a cheat step to gain ground quicker in their drops. Mark Schofield, one of the guys I spoke to about it, wrote about it - http://insidethepylon.com/football-101/2015/06/17/the-art-magic-and-science-of-quarterbacking-stance-and-cheat-step/ Edited May 10, 2016 by Blokestradamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share Posted May 10, 2016 That's pretty weird because I've spoken to a couple of former college QB's (D3 guys) and they've both said they were taught to use their left foot back as a cheat step to gain ground quicker in their drops. Not if you need to pivot right at the snap. (at least that's what seems true to me) Hopeful...I know what he did w Jones, I'm looking bigger though. I see him on game day touting his guys and just wonder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/george-whitfield-qb-coach-afl-060414 http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/4/1/8324401/george-whitfield-interview-response-jameis-winston-pro-day-shaun-king I have heard 2 things about his work with Cardale Jones: 1) he persuaded Jones to throw the football in a conventional way, shifting his grip to the laces (good) 2) he coached Jones to start under center with his left foot back to get out of the center's way (apparently bad), and Lee promptly corrected that and told him to start with his feet parallel Yea... Cardale threw him under the bus with the footwork thing. That isn't going to help his rep going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Not if you need to pivot right at the snap. (at least that's what seems true to me) Hopeful...I know what he did w Jones, I'm looking bigger though. I see him on game day touting his guys and just wonder... Obviously, every play has it's own footwork. Just talking about the taught fundamentals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 That's pretty weird because I've spoken to a couple of former college QB's (D3 guys) and they've both said they were taught to use their left foot back as a cheat step to gain ground quicker in their drops. Mark Schofield, one of the guys I spoke to about it, wrote about it - http://insidethepylon.com/football-101/2015/06/17/the-art-magic-and-science-of-quarterbacking-stance-and-cheat-step/ Great link, thanks for posting it! The "cheat step" seems logical to me. Maybe Lee is the one whose credentials should be questioned as a QB guru? What QB can he point to as actually developed on his watch? I felt he drove Fitz to regress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I wish he'd have coached EJ more on not not throwing the football like it's a dart. http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/The-QB-guru-on-EJ-Manuel/13361679-9d30-4b54-a3f6-c9ee0b07d4c5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share Posted May 10, 2016 Obviously, every play has it's own footwork. Just talking about the taught fundamentals. If you're taught to have your left foot back unless you are pivoting right I think teams would pick up on that tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 If you're taught to have your left foot back unless you are pivoting right I think teams would pick up on that tell. Could tip running plays and stuff too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 If you're taught to have your left foot back unless you are pivoting right I think teams would pick up on that tell. What I know about proper QB footwork at the NFL level could be written on a penny and lost, but as long as it isn't a huge "cheat step" back, I would think you could leave the left foot back and just take a deeper step back and pivot to the right? Or would you take a 3 step drop to pivot right anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 If you're taught to have your left foot back unless you are pivoting right I think teams would pick up on that tell. Yeah or you'd have to learn to either set up that way each play - or you could change it up and use it against the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Not impressed with whitfield's list of "alumni." Only NFL success stories are Luck, Cam and Winston. They were all #1 overall picks. Not sure how much he has to do with their success. He still has pics of Manziel on the front page his website which means he is still touting that result? He worked with Braxton Miller's passing the summer before he tore his labrum, so we will never know. I would have liked to see the outcome of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 He's a for-profit university. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 That's pretty weird because I've spoken to a couple of former college QB's (D3 guys) and they've both said they were taught to use their left foot back as a cheat step to gain ground quicker in their drops. Mark Schofield, one of the guys I spoke to about it, wrote about it - http://insidethepylon.com/football-101/2015/06/17/the-art-magic-and-science-of-quarterbacking-stance-and-cheat-step/ Good find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Great link, thanks for posting it! The "cheat step" seems logical to me. Maybe Lee is the one whose credentials should be questioned as a QB guru? What QB can he point to as actually developed on his watch? I felt he drove Fitz to regress. I'm with you, have to wonder about Lee because that cheat step provides a little extra leverage and weight focus to help you explode backwards. You look at runners coming out of their blocks and in soccer we always coach some degree of staggered stance when defending. Just easier to make a quick move. Maybe the cheat isn't that critical for a qb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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