FLFan Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 Wow! That is just under $1million per win over the past 5 years. Pretty big price for mediocre results.
YoloinOhio Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 Theyve been really disappointing over the last few years but guess it's not his fault. I have no idea. The GM might be to blame since their cap hell seems never ending.
FLFan Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 It may well be that the GM is part of the problem, but that seems like an extravagant commitment to a Coach who has been unable to garner much performance from his team lately. Good for him.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 23, 2016 Author Posted March 23, 2016 $9M a year is a lot isnt it? Whats BB making? CBF
YoloinOhio Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 On 3/23/2016 at 1:55 PM, Canadian Bills Fan said: $9M a year is a lot isnt it? Whats BB making? CBF it is a lot for a HC who doesn't have dual FO responsibility like Carroll and Belichik. I'm not sure if he does or not.
Mr. WEO Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 On 3/23/2016 at 1:55 PM, MDFan said: It may well be that the GM is part of the problem, but that seems like an extravagant commitment to a Coach who has been unable to garner much performance from his team lately. Good for him. Look at that roster...
K D Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 The Saints are a dumpster fire and it's Brees' fault at this point. They should cut him and rebuild but instead they are cutting all of their playmakers so they can pay him
Mr. WEO Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) On 3/23/2016 at 2:13 PM, kdiggz said: The Saints are a dumpster fire and it's Brees' fault at this point. They should cut him and rebuild but instead they are cutting all of their playmakers so they can pay him Really? I would blame the GM. Anyway, The total value of Brees's current contract is #5 for NFL QBs. His per year avg is #9. His guaranteed money is less than Flacco, Rodgers, Ryan, Newton. His toal contract value is less than Romo's. His average per year is just 2 million more than Osweiller and his total guarantee is only 3 million more that kid just got Edited March 23, 2016 by Mr. WEO
jr1 Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 Dan Campbell and Joe Vitt are listed as "assistant head coach" so there's probably a decent amount of delegating going on
NoSaint Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 On 3/23/2016 at 2:20 PM, Mr. WEO said: Really? I would blame the GM. Anyway, The total value of Brees's current contract is #5 for NFL QBs. His per year avg is #9. His guaranteed money is less than Flacco, Rodgers, Ryan, Newton. His toal contract value is less than Romo's. His average per year is just 2 million more than Osweiller and his total guarantee is only 3 million more that kid just got yup - the big issue has consistently been huge dead money. brees is well paid, no doubt, but whether his cap hit is a little high any given year is just a matter of having shifted stuff around from a pretty reasonable average. unfortunately, that shifting has often been driven by huge dead money values. gallette getting paid then cut, graham getting paid than traded, both within a year of their deals (so the signing bonus accelerates into a big hit) being two that are a big effect right now
Manther Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 On 3/23/2016 at 1:43 PM, MDFan said: Wow! That is just under $1million per win over the past 5 years. Pretty big price for mediocre results.I guess that is what you get for recovering an onside kick in the Super Bowl about a decade ago? Seems like a silly contract?! What have you done for me lately clearly doesn't apply! On 3/23/2016 at 2:13 PM, kdiggz said: The Saints are a dumpster fire and it's Brees' fault at this point. They should cut him and rebuild but instead they are cutting all of their playmakers so they can pay himTough to argue that
Mr. WEO Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) On 3/23/2016 at 3:44 PM, Manther said: Tough to argue that look upstream 3 posts... On 3/23/2016 at 3:12 PM, NoSaint said: yup - the big issue has consistently been huge dead money. brees is well paid, no doubt, but whether his cap hit is a little high any given year is just a matter of having shifted stuff around from a pretty reasonable average. unfortunately, that shifting has often been driven by huge dead money values. gallette getting paid then cut, graham getting paid than traded, both within a year of their deals (so the signing bonus accelerates into a big hit) being two that are a big effect right now You're right again--theses are the bonehead moves by the GM. Brees isn't the corpse of P Manning. He's still the top passer in the league. You don't build a team by dumping Brees. Edited March 23, 2016 by Mr. WEO
K D Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 Brees is 37 and the Saints stink. Time to move on. They should try and trade him for some 1st round picks. The Browns, Texans, Rams, Broncos, Jets are all pretty desperate at this point
nucci Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 On 3/23/2016 at 2:20 PM, Mr. WEO said: Really? I would blame the GM. Anyway, The total value of Brees's current contract is #5 for NFL QBs. His per year avg is #9. His guaranteed money is less than Flacco, Rodgers, Ryan, Newton. His toal contract value is less than Romo's. His average per year is just 2 million more than Osweiller and his total guarantee is only 3 million more that kid just got but his cap hit this year is $30M...that's the problem
NoSaint Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) On 3/23/2016 at 3:52 PM, Mr. WEO said: He's still the top passer in the league. You don't build a team by dumping Brees.i think most casual nfl fans that dont follow the saints close would be surprised that brees was 68+% completions, just a shade under 4900 yards (with a game missed and playing injured), 32 td to 11 int.... qb rating of 101 and ESPNS QBR at 75.47 that with a receiving corps of Brandin Cooks and a bunch of question marks. he had one of his best years of his career statistically with watson replacing jimmy graham. Edited March 23, 2016 by NoSaint
KD in CA Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 On 3/23/2016 at 4:28 PM, kdiggz said: Brees is 37 and the Saints stink. Time to move on. They should try and trade him for some 1st round picks. The Browns, Texans, Rams, Broncos, Jets are all pretty desperate at this point At a cost of how many season ticket holders? Brees is the face of the franchise, a local icon and most accomplished Saint of all time. They can't just cut him loose.
NoSaint Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 On 3/23/2016 at 4:30 PM, nucci said: but his cap hit this year is $30M...that's the problem and they gave him a restructure inflating this years hit mid season last year. that his hit is $30m isnt a brees being greedy issue, its a structural issue in a generally reasonable contract is WEOs point (which i would back).
dpberr Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 I don't see how he's worth that money. Their window has closed for a deep run into the playoffs in a division that's full of formidable opponents. Not sure you need to pay a coach that much for an aging 8-8 team that needs a full defensive unit rebuild that will take two years. They need a lot on that side of the ball.
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