bisonbrigade Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) The number #1 defense is now 10-2 in the Superbowl with the only losses were last year Seattle lost to New England which was a fluke and the 1982 Dolphins in a Strike shortened year. I get so tired of listening to the "football experts" like the losers on WGR that say this is now a "passing" league. Would you consider either team last night a "passing team". This goes to show you that if Rex can give the Bills the defense we expect We can win this thing. Edited February 8, 2016 by bisonbrigade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Before we start getting our hopes up about "hey we have a pretty good defense and a better offense than Denver so maybe we are close" keep in mind that many many other teams have tried this formula without much success. KC, Cincinnati, Houston...the list goes on. I'm here to tell you that defense doesn't win championships. GREAT defenses win championships. Denver's defense is full of bona fide stars. Baltimore was full of stars. Future hall of famers. The only way that formula works is if you have other worldly talent. Von Miller is one of the best OLB's I've ever seen. Has there ever been such a dominant defensive performance from a player in Super Bowl history? Has there ever been a defense that hit the opposing QB as much as Denver this postseason? Until we have that type of star on defense, this formula will not get it done for us unfortunately. We need a Von Miller or Ray Lewis. Easier said than done right? But the fact remains that we don't have that level of talent and by losing star players like Mario and not adding another star then we are no closer to making this team a contender. Maybe we MIGHT make the playoffs (doubt it) but do we want to be a one and done playoff team like KC or Cincinnati or do we want to win the Super Bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The number #1 defense is now 10-2 in the Superbowl with the only losses were last year Seattle lost to New England which was a fluke and the 1982 Dolphins in a Strike shortened year. I get so tired of listening to the "football experts" like the losers on WGR that say this is now a "passing" league. Would you consider either team last night a "passing team". This goes to show you that if Rex can give the Bills the defense we expect We can win this thing. I agree to an extent - but I think it IS a passing league and that is why having a great defense matters. You want to stop those elite passers? You better be able to get to them and hit them and do it a majority of the time with 4 picking your times to blitz. If you let the passers in this passing league stand back there with time they will pick you apart and if you have to send 5 and 6 to generate pressure they will get to the match up they like and attack your back end. I have said in another thread that the quarterbacking that Denver have got this year is the worst from a Superbowl winning team in a very long time. Your defense doesn't just have to be good to support that it has to be outstanding. Denver's D led the league in fewest yards per rush and fewest yards per pass. The first time ever that has been done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The number #1 defense is now 10-2 in the Superbowl with the only losses were last year Seattle lost to New England which was a fluke and the 1982 Dolphins in a Strike shortened year. I get so tired of listening to the "football experts" like the losers on WGR that say this is now a "passing" league. Would you consider either team last night a "passing team". This goes to show you that if Rex can give the Bills the defense we expect We can win this thing. So what about all the other 75% of Superbowls where the winner was one of, if not the best QB in the league?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The number #1 defense is now 10-2 in the Superbowl with the only losses were last year Seattle lost to New England which was a fluke and the 1982 Dolphins in a Strike shortened year. I get so tired of listening to the "football experts" like the losers on WGR that say this is now a "passing" league. Would you consider either team last night a "passing team". This goes to show you that if Rex can give the Bills the defense we expect We can win this thing. How many times has the #1 defense not even made the super bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 How many times has the #1 defense not even made the super bowl? 75% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 75% of the time. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 So what about all the other 75% of Superbowls where the winner was one of, if not the best QB in the league?. There is more than one way to win a Championship. You don't need an MVP Quarterback. And not all of those 75% had the "best QB in the league". Of course it does not hurt but it is not mandatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 There is more than one way to win a Championship. You don't need an MVP Quarterback. And not all of those 75% had the "best QB in the league". Of course it does not hurt but it is not mandatory. Winning and losing QB's since 1990 1991 Mark Rypien Jim Kelly 1992 Troy Aikman Jim Kelly 1993 Troy Aikman Jim Kelly 1994 Steve Young Stan Humphries 1995 Troy Aikman Neil O'Donnell 1996 Brett Favre Drew Bledsoe 1997 John Elway Brett Favre 1998 John Elway Chris Chandler 1999 Kurt Warner Steve McNair 2000 Trent Dilfer Kerry Collins 2001 Tom Brady Kurt Warner 2002 Brad Johnson Rich Gannon 2003 Tom Brady Jake Delhomme 2004 Tom Brady Donovan McNabb 2005 Ben Roethlisberger Matt Hasselbeck 2006 Peyton Manning Rex Grossman 2007 Eli Manning Tom Brady 2008 Ben Roethlisberger Kurt Warner 2009 Drew Brees Peyton Manning 2010 Aaron Rodgers Ben Roethlisberger 2011 Eli Manning Tom Brady 2012 Joe Flacco Colin Kaepernick 2013 Russell Wilson Peyton Manning 2014 Tom Brady Russell Wilson 2015 Peyton Manning Cam Newton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) How many times has the #1 defense not even made the super bowl? 38, if they're 10-2. Also I'd note that many of those teams also were starting an elite QB. I will try to look it up. Edited February 8, 2016 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 75% of the time. How many times has a QB who won the MVP lost the SB or not made the SB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Winning and losing QB's since 1990 How many of those 25 games were won by a current or future Hall of Famer? A whole bunch of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 How many of those 25 games were won by a current or future Hall of Famer? A whole bunch of them. 22/25 or ~90% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) 22/25 or ~90% That was my count as well, or stated another way, I can only see three Super Bowl winning QBs in that time that I can say with certainty that will never make the HOF. The others either have made it, will make it, or will recieve very serious consideration. Edited February 8, 2016 by Brandon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Actually, the team with the best defense will occasionally pop up and win a Superbowl. Most of the time any more, it's a team with a very good offense. Yes, the #1 D is now 10-2 in the Super Bowl. The 2 losses both occurred within the last 6 years (Pit losing to GB and Sea losing to NE). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Actually, the team with the best defense will occasionally pop up and win a Superbowl. Most of the time any more, it's a team with a very good offense. Yes, the #1 D is now 10-2 in the Super Bowl. The 2 losses both occurred within the last 6 years (Pit losing to GB and Sea losing to NE). Teams are built differently. What is known for sure is if your team is built around its defense (exhibited by its cap resources) and you don't utilize the talent properly you diminish your chances for success. The same logic applies to the offense. If you have a very good qb you need a good OL to protect the qb and you need good receivers to get a good return/production from your qb. The Broncos coaching staff recognized that this particular team's core strength was built around its defense, especially around its pass rush. Even the offense was smartly subordinated to the defense. It stressed field position and not turning the ball over. My point being is that they knew what their team identity was and they played to it. It was apparent to all, including himself, that Peyton is a shadow of what he once was. But even in this diminished stage of his career he still played smartly. He understood his more limited role and accepted it. What it comes down to is coaching matters i.e. smart coaching. The Broncos had it and the Bills didn't . The difference between smart coaching and dumb coaching is stark. When you have a coach who is more noted for his bluster and antics than his coaching prowess the outcome is predictable, a team watching the playoffs from its own sofas instead of being participants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 My whole point is that there are many ways to win a Title. And Defense is one of them and is not out of style. How many topped ranked passing games never even make the playoffs. It takes great players and good coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 How many times has the #1 defense not even made the super bowl? 50-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 in a year where it's in flux the once great players are sliding, or big time players are hurt you have a good chance to win with dominating defense and game manager. This was one of those years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Before we start getting our hopes up about "hey we have a pretty good defense and a better offense than Denver so maybe we are close" keep in mind that many many other teams have tried this formula without much success. KC, Cincinnati, Houston...the list goes on. I'm here to tell you that defense doesn't win championships. GREAT defenses win championships. Denver's defense is full of bona fide stars. Baltimore was full of stars. Future hall of famers. The only way that formula works is if you have other worldly talent. Von Miller is one of the best OLB's I've ever seen. Has there ever been such a dominant defensive performance from a player in Super Bowl history? Has there ever been a defense that hit the opposing QB as much as Denver this postseason? Until we have that type of star on defense, this formula will not get it done for us unfortunately. We need a Von Miller or Ray Lewis. Easier said than done right? But the fact remains that we don't have that level of talent and by losing star players like Mario and not adding another star then we are no closer to making this team a contender. Maybe we MIGHT make the playoffs (doubt it) but do we want to be a one and done playoff team like KC or Cincinnati or do we want to win the Super Bowl? Offense wins Division Championships. Defense wins Super Bowls??? It is interesting to notice trends in professional sports. In the NBA, GS, San Antonio, even Miami with Lebron have broken from traditional formulas for championship runs. In the NFL, the rule changes are meant to incline teams toward passing offenses, but it appears that Denver and Carolina are a correction in the trend. I think that NE and Seattle both fit that mold as well. Those Super Bowls came down to defense, too. As far as Buffalo is concerned, it does look like our regressive choice of coach (defense/run oriented in a passing league) may turn out to be a "ahead of the curve" choice for coach! Whaley's a genius for thinking so far ahead of the curve!!! Teams are built differently. What is known for sure is if your team is built around its defense (exhibited by its cap resources) and you don't utilize the talent properly you diminish your chances for success. The same logic applies to the offense. If you have a very good qb you need a good OL to protect the qb and you need good receivers to get a good return/production from your qb. The Broncos coaching staff recognized that this particular team's core strength was built around its defense, especially around its pass rush. Even the offense was smartly subordinated to the defense. It stressed field position and not turning the ball over. My point being is that they knew what their team identity was and they played to it. It was apparent to all, including himself, that Peyton is a shadow of what he once was. But even in this diminished stage of his career he still played smartly. He understood his more limited role and accepted it. What it comes down to is coaching matters i.e. smart coaching. The Broncos had it and the Bills didn't . The difference between smart coaching and dumb coaching is stark. When you have a coach who is more noted for his bluster and antics than his coaching prowess the outcome is predictable, a team watching the playoffs from its own sofas instead of being participants. I think we have to be careful about judging coaching. A couple years ago, Kubiak was chopped liver. His teams in Houston were inconsistent, etc. The success of coaching isn't built on novel concepts or genius. All these coaches are pretty smart guys. The coach who can get his team to execute his philosophy/plan most consistently is the guy who wins. A lot of the time, that will come down to some extra special performances (see Von Miller in the AFC Championship and Super Bowl) or some freak bounces (like fumbles in the SB). You can't capture that "magic" in a bottle, so the coach who moves forward with consistency and the organization which values continuity will be most inclined toward success. Less waste will be expended on changes along the way. More energy can be invested in the finer details which the coach notices, but cannot communicate to players due to limited practices, etc. Buffalo will begin to reap more benefit from our coaching staff in the coming year. I would be shocked if we do not have a top 10 offense AND defense this coming year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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