LeGOATski Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Yeah...I'd Sammy it up for this guy in a heartbeat I would, too. Whaley would catch so much flack, but it would be worth it come September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 I'm trying to find my favorite clip of his...I'll post it here as soon as I do; it's a microcosm of why he's going to be a perennial pro bowler IMO Please do. I'm trying not even to entertain the possibility of a move like this because I do feel he's going to end up going in the top 5. But it would be a huge get, and he'd be an instant impact player on this team in a way I'm not sure any other first rounders would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Please do. I'm trying not even to entertain the possibility of a move like this because I do feel he's going to end up going in the top 5. But it would be a huge get, and he'd be an instant impact player on this team in a way I'm not sure any other first rounders would. Jack could be the antidote to Gronk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Jack could be the antidote to Gronk. I'm with you. I know the Bills need to find one or two starters from this draft, maybe three, but I'd make a deal to get Jack in a second if the price was within reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 I'm with you. I know the Bills need to find one or two starters from this draft, maybe three, but I'd make a deal to get Jack in a second if the price was within reason. JAX is supposedly open to moving their pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 JAX is supposedly open to moving their pick. They won't be if Jack is still there. He'll be BPA and fill a need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) I'm trying to find my favorite clip of his...I'll post it here as soon as I do; it's a microcosm of why he's going to be a perennial pro bowler IMO Found it. Video opens with Jack bull-rushing Cody Whitehair--the 2016 draft's top OG on some boards (though I like Ifedi better)--into the QB's lap. But for some real fun, and to see why he's the best player in the draft, watch the 3 consecutive plays starting at the 0:35 mark. 0:35 - runs stride-for-stride with a slot receiver; this is slot corner type work 0:45 - chases down Tyler Lockett on the slip screen, avoiding the block and bringing him down--that there is speed 1:02 - pure gold--oh, so you're going to take advantage of the LB in single coverage on the boundary? Yeah, i don't think so. Extra fun - 2:00 mark...this is run defense at its finest. EDIT: 2:30 - look at the violence behind this guy's hands...unbelievable Enjoy: Edited April 7, 2016 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 JAX is supposedly open to moving their pick. What do you think it would cost? I am not good with the draft value chart. I'd be willing to deal our 1st and 4th rounders from this year plus our first rounder next year. Would that get it done or is that way too low? Found it. Video opens with Jack bull-rushing Cody Whitehair--the 2016 draft's top OG on some boards (though I like Ifedi better)--into the QB's lap. But for some real fun, and to see why he's the best player in the draft, watch the 3 consecutive plays starting at the 0:35 mark. 0:35 - runs stride-for-stride with a slot receiver; this is slot corner type work 0:45 - chases down Tyler Lockett on the slip screen, avoiding the block and bringing him down--that there is speed 1:02 - pure gold--oh, so you're going to take advantage of the LB in single coverage on the boundary? Yeah, i don't think so. Extra fun - 2:00 mark...this is run defense at its finest. EDIT: 2:30 - look at the violence behind this guy's hands...unbelievable Enjoy: Thanks for this. Watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 What do you think it would cost? I am not good with the draft value chart. I'd be willing to deal our 1st and 4th rounders from this year plus our first rounder next year. Would that get it done or is that way too low? 14 spots is a lot to move up. Here's a chart to look at the cost: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 14 spots is a lot to move up. Here's a chart to look at the cost: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/ Thanks, 26! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Thanks, 26! You're most welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Jack could be the antidote to Gronk. don't torture yourselves this way.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 don't torture yourselves this way.. Some people hoped for the Sammy trade and it actually happened. Whaley's the one torturing us... No way he pulls it off this year, though. No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Jack is different. He feels like he may end up the best player in this draft. He's such a physical freak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Jack is different. He feels like he may end up the best player in this draft. He's such a physical freak. Some people hoped for the Sammy trade and it actually happened. Whaley's the one torturing us... No way he pulls it off this year, though. No way. I do not think this is the year to trade up. too many needs. But i am a conservative thinker at times. Now if they traded off Gilmore and got much closer to the top 5. i might loosen up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 I do not think this is the year to trade up. too many needs. But i am a conservative thinker at times. Now if they traded off Gilmore and got much closer to the top 5. i might loosen up a bit. I'm okay with staying where they are or going up or back. I guess I really trust the Bills drafting. If they think Jack is going to be Luke Kuechly I'd be fine with the price. I'm going to try not to get too worked up one way or another during the draft. In honor of Sam Hinkie's resignation I am going to, "trust the process." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) I'm okay with staying where they are or going up or back. I guess I really trust the Bills drafting. If they think Jack is going to be Luke Kuechly I'd be fine with the price. I'm going to try not to get too worked up one way or another during the draft. In honor of Sam Hinkie's resignation I am going to, "trust the process." I agree Kirby. i feel the Bills are no longer the mess they once were when Drafting. Enjoyed the last two drafts and expect nothing less this year. Have faith and let the Scouts do their thing. odd feeling but, i think " trust the process " should be the mantra for the draft this year. Edited April 7, 2016 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 I do not think this is the year to trade up. too many needs. But i am a conservative thinker at times. Now if they traded off Gilmore and got much closer to the top 5. i might loosen up a bit. I don't understand the dislike for Gilmore. If the idea is that he will cost so much to keep that he will destroy the Bills salary structure, then I get it. But if the argument is that he isn't very good, then I don't agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 I don't understand the dislike for Gilmore. If the idea is that he will cost so much to keep that he will destroy the Bills salary structure, then I get it. But if the argument is that he isn't very good, then I don't agree. I did not make an opinion of the quality of Gilmore as a player. I like Stephon for a lot of good reasons. Apologies if i mislead you or anyone else !! But i don't manage the roster. Is was purely a what if. And very very hypothetical. Gilmore trade would most likely be an asset to move up in the draft. For the record, i sure hope Bills and Gilmore make reasonable deal soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 What do you think it would cost? I am not good with the draft value chart. I'd be willing to deal our 1st and 4th rounders from this year plus our first rounder next year. Would that get it done or is that way too low? Thanks for this. Watching. #19 and # 49 this year and next years #1. #5 = 1700 pts #19 = 875 and #49 = 410; Total 1285 415 point difference, which is the value of actual mid 2nd round pick, but future draft trades almost always involve a +1 round value. The 2017 draft 2nd round value is really a 1st round commodity in a 2016 trade. Given the history of NFL draft trades, IMO this (2016; 19 + 49 overall + 2017 1st = 2016 #5) would be the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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