Chef Jim Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 It does not matter how many insults you have to buttress your twisted, factually wrong and deplorable arguments with, they are still crap. Your lies about his views on slavery are bad enough. But the fact that Americans would not want to celebrate a traitor with a statue just escapes you. Who is forcing you, or anyone else to celebrate a traitor? Is a gay pride parade that goes in front of my house forcing me to celebrate homosexuality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 They (The South) lost, we (The North) won... Get over it. Tear down all the monuments. ~What Donald Trump would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Confederate statues today, book burnings tomorrowby Cheryl K. Chumley Original Article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 Who is forcing you, or anyone else to celebrate a traitor? Is a gay pride parade that goes in front of my house forcing me to celebrate homosexuality? Parades and statues are different issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Parades and statues are different issues This public service announcement brought to you by the asshat who wants both Confederate statues and white supremacist rallies banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 ***** Baltimore removed their statues in the middle of last night. Baltimore is where the first blood of the Civil War was drawn as union troops moving through the city were attacked by gutter scum and the soldiers opened on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Sure, Lee was a slave owner as we're many in the north as well as the south, but did you know Lee freed his in 1862, 3 years before the end of the war Oh so that makes him okay! Forget all the whippings he doled out. And the families he broke up by selling slaves away, which he was notorious for. And the personal letter he wrote claiming slavery was ultimately good for the black man, and a greater evil for the white man for the burden they carried. Lee was known to personally flog his own slaves when they misbehaved among other horrors. He was monstrous, as was the whole institution of slavery, and there should be no statues of a monster like that. You know it isn't erasing history to take down a statue, that's absurd. Statues aren't artifacts, they're commemorations. Many confederate statues were built in the last 20 years. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/05/22/confederate-monuments-new-orleans-charlottesville-removal-race-civil-war/101870418/ North Carolina alone has put up 35 such monuments since 2000. It's funny because I went to Germany and I don't remember any statues of prominent Nazi figures. Somehow they're able to teach the horrible history of their country without building statues. And no one complains history has been erased! Only in America, where people think they are entitled to their own versions of facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 This public service announcement brought to you by the asshat who wants both Confederate statues and white supremacist rallies banned. Is there any statement you can't twist and distort? Spin boy Tom. If you want the stupid traitor Lee in your community, go get a petition together and set the POS up. Your Nazis rallies are legal, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Well, until they burn the books about Lee. Because that's the next step and the overall point you're missing. We can do better than the slippery slope fallacy. There is no movement to erase the history of the Civil War. Where does this idea come from? The most left-wing people wouldn't want to do that because they would want America's awful racial history to be taught in full. Do you people know what statues are? Do you know why we build them? This would be a good start for the discussion - why does General Lee have a statue of him? What is the statue's message to its audience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 We can do better than the slippery slope fallacy. There is no movement to erase the history of the Civil War. Where does this idea come from? The most left-wing people wouldn't want to do that because they would want America's awful racial history to be taught in full. Do you people know what statues are? Do you know why we build them? This would be a good start for the discussion - why does General Lee have a statue of him? What is the statue's message to its audience? And what if I find statues of Malcolm X offensive? Can i have those removed or nah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 And what if I find statues of Malcolm X offensive? Can i have those removed or nah? Oh, because the world is so unfair to you. You are a victim little man. Pity on you. Pee on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 You're confusing Lee with Jefferson, dumbass. That line is always moving through history. It's not a great point. Jefferson was viewed as a pristine founding father until 30 ish years ago. Now we look at him as a guy who raped his slave and kept his son a slave even after he died. Maybe in 100 years, people will lionize him again. Perspective changes. Tributes in the form of statues will be built, torn down, replaced...that's a natural march of time. Nothing I said was incorrect. But of course there is more to the story. My point was the counterpoint the post I responded to: Let's not hold Lee up as some bastion of anti-slavery virtue. Feeing okay DC Tom? Even for you this is a pretty big miss. And what if I find statues of Malcolm X offensive? Can i have those removed or nah? Sure. In fact I invite you to go tear one down and piss on it. Or if you don't want to go that far just start a petition and go around town. You will soon find out the types of people that support you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) Sure. In fact I invite you to go tear one down and piss on it. Or if you don't want to go that far just start a petition and go around town. You will soon find out the types of people that support you. Oh wait! So it's ok to beat people who tear down statues you like? Edited August 16, 2017 by joesixpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 They (The South) lost, we (The North) won... Get over it. Tear down all the monuments. ~What Donald Trump would say. !@#$ saquajoweeuh Feeing okay DC Tom? Even for you this is a pretty big miss. Sure. In fact I invite you to go tear one down and piss on it. Or if you don't want to go that far just start a petition and go around town. You will soon find out the types of people that support you. I'd do it. I'd go to Winston and tear down the black panther historical site monument. Watch what happens next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Parades and statues are different issues Correct. I can avoid a statue by not visiting it however I cannot avoid a parade or a pride festival is in my face for a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Feeing okay DC Tom? Even for you this is a pretty big miss. Sure. In fact I invite you to go tear one down and piss on it. Or if you don't want to go that far just start a petition and go around town. You will soon find out the types of people that support you. That's not the post I replied to. Jesus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 Correct. I can avoid a statue by not visiting it however I cannot avoid a parade or a pride festival is in my face for a week. Poor baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 That's not the post I replied to. Jesus... It is pretty wild that you are doubling down on the stupidity. Everything you said was incorrect. What was that responding to? Are you having trouble following the discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Oh so that makes him okay! Forget all the whippings he doled out. And the families he broke up by selling slaves away, which he was notorious for. And the personal letter he wrote claiming slavery was ultimately good for the black man, and a greater evil for the white man for the burden they carried. Lee was known to personally flog his own slaves when they misbehaved among other horrors. He was monstrous, as was the whole institution of slavery, and there should be no statues of a monster like that. You know it isn't erasing history to take down a statue, that's absurd. Statues aren't artifacts, they're commemorations. Many confederate statues were built in the last 20 years. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/05/22/confederate-monuments-new-orleans-charlottesville-removal-race-civil-war/101870418/ North Carolina alone has put up 35 such monuments since 2000. It's funny because I went to Germany and I don't remember any statues of prominent Nazi figures. Somehow they're able to teach the horrible history of their country without building statues. And no one complains history has been erased! Only in America, where people think they are entitled to their own versions of facts. Your view of history is so un-nuanced and revised by modern social mores that it's not even worth discussing this with you. You world view is the reason we are now standing were we are, and may refight the civil war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 It is pretty wild that you are doubling down on the stupidity. What was that responding to? Are you having trouble following the discussion? The one where he MENTIONS LEE, idiot. Liok back farther, just like your IQ is normal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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