keepthefaith Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 and the Governors have to take this stance because Obama can't make the responsible decision on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) and the Governors have to take this stance because Obama can't make the responsible decision on his own. I Think He is perfectly capable to make the stance but chooses not to. Obama has an opportunity to create more conflict and tension, more class warfare, further sub divide us and bring in thousands more of new democrat voters. He could stop it, but it's more benefical for his goals to allow them in. Its all by design. Edited November 16, 2015 by drinkTHEkoolaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) What ? Did you expect consistency. The very same people applauding sanctuary cities are the ones trumpeting federal supremacy over refugee issue. . HOPE & CHANGE: Democratic governor demands halt to refugee settlement in US. “After more than a dozen GOP governors announced plans to block the relocation of Syrian refugees to their states, New Hampshire’s Democratic governor joined the group. Maggie Hassan’s spokesman told the New Hampshire Union-Leader that safety and security for Americans has to come first.” Massachusetts Governor: No Syrian Refugees For Now ... . Edited November 16, 2015 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Shouldn't the Syrian people demand more freedom, prosperity and security from their own government? Oh wait, never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I’m a Gay Man and Mass Muslim Immigration Terrifies Me by Milo Yiannopoulos FTA: But there’s a more general concern for liberal western democracies: it’s not just the jihadis, but the attitudes of ordinary Muslims that are a grave cause for concern, not just for the women being gang-raped in Malmö but homosexuals everywhere in Europe. So you can accuse me of being “islamophobic” if you want, because no, I don’t want to be shouted at or spat on in the street. Maybe my gayness is standing in the way of a Muslim utopia… but I’m going to be selfish here and say maybe we don’t import all the people who want to murder me. From what I can tell, it’s not women and children coming over in these “refugee crises” but strong 22-year-old men. Under ordinary circumstances I’d be fine with a bit of Middle Eastern rough, but I prefer my nocturnal encounters with dark-skinned men to be at least partially consensual. The Left’s wilful, suicidal ignorance about Muslim culture is at odds with virtually every one of their cherished social justice prescriptions. They look for sexism in “mansplaining” and flirtatious remarks, yet turn a blind eye to a culture where the only acceptable role for women is head-scarfed housewife. They see intolerance in Halloween costumes, yet ignore the regular atrocities of cultures that mass-murder each other over regional, tribal, and sectarian differences. They think conservatives who disagree with their definition of gay marriage to be bigots worthy of social ostracism, yet welcome into their midst a culture that wants to execute queers like me. If you don’t believe me, just look at what’s happening in Sweden. A gay pride march that planned to go via a Muslim area was criticised and called “needlessly provocative” by progressives who care more about protecting an immigrant’s right to be a hateful bigot than the rights of gay citizens to express their sexual identity. What am I missing here? I know this is the point at which I’m supposed to say not all Muslims in the west are bad people, but I can’t bring myself to care about caveats when 1,200 girls are getting raped in Rotherham and Britain is sending more fighters to ISIS than almost any other country. As the journalist and activist Brigitte Gabriel points out, the peaceful majority are irrelevant. More at the link: http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/11/16/im-a-gay-man-and-mass-muslim-immigration-terrifies-me/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 And as Europe takes a harder line on refugees, the perception among those refugees is that they're even further oppressed...and ISIS gains more recruits. Even more so if the EU members go to the length of deporting some of the refugees already there. Anyone think that this didn't factor in to ISIS' thinking? Great point. They understand that the more hate they create the better it is for them. If we blame Islam they win. Wasn't there a Star Trek episode about that with the Klingons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Great point. They understand that the more hate they create the better it is for them. If we blame Islam they win. No ****, buckwheat. You're just figuring this out now? A good many of us have understood this for 15 or 20 years. Bin Laden spelled it out in most of his speeches. Go color some more, dumbass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 No ****, buckwheat. You're just figuring this out now? A good many of us have understood this for 15 or 20 years. Bin Laden spelled it out in most of his speeches. Go color some more, dumbass. Oh no, I knew that. Just surprised you'd say that. It's an admission this hate isn't endemic to Islam but is orchestrated and manipulated hate. You screeching Emotional reaction is telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Great point. They understand that the more hate they create the better it is for them. If we blame Islam they win. Wasn't there a Star Trek episode about that with the Klingons Oh, good. You're back. Earlier in this thread I asked you a question: Do you believe that national borders, cultural identities, and ethnic history are important? You then asked me: in what ways? I then said, it's a yes or no question, but you should feel free to editorialize if you feel it is important in some ways, but not in others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) Oh, good. You're back. Earlier in this thread I asked you a question: Do you believe that national borders, cultural identities, and ethnic history are important? You then asked me: in what ways? I then said, it's a yes or no question, but you should feel free to editorialize if you feel it is important in some ways, but not in others. Sorry, Goober don't take to kindly to questions. Edited November 17, 2015 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 And as Europe takes a harder line on refugees, the perception among those refugees is that they're even further oppressed...and ISIS gains more recruits. Even more so if the EU members go to the length of deporting some of the refugees already there. Anyone think that this didn't factor in to ISIS' thinking? Oppressed by countries they aren't even citizens in? Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Oppressed by countries they aren't even citizens in? Please. You don't have to be a citizen to be oppressed. You can be oppressed by a foreign country. But the important thing is that they believe it. Any strategy for dealing with them should take that in to account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 You don't have to be a citizen to be oppressed. You can be oppressed by a foreign country. But the important thing is that they believe it. Any strategy for dealing with them should take that in to account. You can be but it's a big stretch. I'm not oppressed by NZ because they won't let me immigrate there. What strategy do you suggest? We can't vet them. We can't ensure our citizens' safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 The issue is that there's no solution left. There's no winning answer. Western leaders think the answer is to open the doors and let them all in. But the hate is so deep and pervasive that all that does is let a bunch of already-brainwashed wackos in along with the ones who mean no harm. Shutting the doors won't stop the hate either, they'll just redouble the propaganda efforts. But at least then we won't have as many of them hanging around our concerts and football games. Note this was an illustration, not an exhaustive list of "answers" that people have come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 The issue is that there's no solution left. There's no winning answer. Western leaders think the answer is to open the doors and let them all in. But the hate is so deep and pervasive that all that does is let a bunch of already-brainwashed wackos in along with the ones who mean no harm. Shutting the doors won't stop the hate either, they'll just redouble the propaganda efforts. But at least then we won't have as many of them hanging around our concerts and football games. Note this was an illustration, not an exhaustive list of "answers" that people have come up with. Western leaders think everyone's a Westerner who just needs guidance on how to be a Westerner. It's post-colonial colonialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Western leaders think everyone's a Westerner who just needs guidance on how to be a Westerner. It's post-colonial colonialism. The world has gotten very small, and while we're post-colonial, we're very much imperial. And that's not a bad thing, because I'm not interested in giving up the American lifestyle at any class level, or the mobility available. However empire does require maintence, and maintenance requires involvement and proximity. The two options, given this, are Westerization or oppression. I'm in favor of Westerization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 The world has gotten very small, and while we're post-colonial, we're very much imperial. And that's not a bad thing, because I'm not interested in giving up the American lifestyle at any class level, or the mobility available. However empire does require maintence, and maintenance requires involvement and proximity. The two options, given this, are Westerization or oppression. I'm in favor of Westerization. Except that the people being Westernized consider Westernization to be oppression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) Except that the people being Westernized consider Westernization to be oppression. Time for them to consider it something else or don't come. Edited November 17, 2015 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Except that the people being Westernized consider Westernization to be oppression. Then they can stay and suffer in their non westernized shitholes. Want the benefits? Pay the cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Oh, good. You're back. Earlier in this thread I asked you a question: Do you believe that national borders, cultural identities, and ethnic history are important? You then asked me: in what ways? I then said, it's a yes or no question, but you should feel free to editorialize if you feel it is important in some ways, but not in others. You tell me. Are they? I have no idea where you are going with such wide open questions, but if your point is we shouldn't let these political prisoners in I'd disagree Except that the people being Westernized consider Westernization to be oppression. Is that right? Or is that what the radicals want you to think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 The world has gotten very small, and while we're post-colonial, we're very much imperial. And that's not a bad thing, because I'm not interested in giving up the American lifestyle at any class level, or the mobility available. However empire does require maintence, and maintenance requires involvement and proximity. The two options, given this, are Westerization or oppression. I'm in favor of Westerization. That's very neoconservative of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 You tell me. Are they? I have no idea where you are going with such wide open questions, but if your point is we shouldn't let these political prisoners in I'd disagree Is that right? Or is that what the radicals want you to think !@#$ off, ****head. We're having an adult discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 You tell me. Are they? I have no idea where you are going with such wide open questions, but if your point is we shouldn't let these political prisoners in I'd disagree Come on Goober give it a shot. Don't concern yourself so much with why he's askind he just asked you a question and a simple yes or no question at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 !@#$ off, ****head. We're having an adult discussion. You? That's funny. You are a douche bag Come on Goober give it a shot. Don't concern yourself so much with why he's askind he just asked you a question and a simple yes or no question at that. Go for it! Love to read your answers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 You tell me. Are they? I have no idea where you are going with such wide open questions, but if your point is we shouldn't let these political prisoners in I'd disagree I'm not asking a "gotcha" question. I'm asking a simple yes or no question, and welcoming any editorializing you might wish to do. Your unwillingness speaks very clearly to your purpose here, which is not to converse, but rather to be a disruptive distraction, a flame throwing liar, and a general ass. Why can't you just act like an adult? Except that the people being Westernized consider Westernization to be oppression. I'm not willing to listen to any arguments from them claiming moral relativism. It's a dead philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I'm not asking a "gotcha" question. I'm asking a simple yes or no question, and welcoming any editorializing you might wish to do. Your unwillingness speaks very clearly to your purpose here, which is not to converse, but rather to be a disruptive distraction, a flame throwing liar, and a general ass. Why can't you just act like an adult? I'm not willing to listen to any arguments from them claiming moral relativism. It's a dead philosophy. Are you willing to intervene in the ME again because of practices we consider immoral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I'm not asking a "gotcha" question. I'm asking a simple yes or no question, and welcoming any editorializing you might wish to do. Your unwillingness speaks very clearly to your purpose here, which is not to converse, but rather to be a disruptive distraction, a flame throwing liar, and a general ass. Why can't you just act like an adult? I'm not willing to listen to any arguments from them claiming moral relativism. It's a dead philosophy. Asking incredibly wide open questions that could go off in any direction isn't really acting like an adult. if you have something to say, just say it Mr. Adult. Is that too much to ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Are you willing to intervene in the ME again because of practices we consider immoral? I'm not willing to do it, I advocate for it. However, it's not because of some notions of immorality; but rather because: 1. We own the mess there 2. Global market stability depends on it 3. The success and spread of ISIS in the region directly threatens strategic allies, and ultimately, in the long game, ourselves Asking incredibly wide open questions that could go off in any direction isn't really acting like an adult. if you have something to say, just say it Mr. Adult. Is that too much to ask? Tell you what, you let me know when you'd like to participate in the conversation. At this point, I can clearly see that you don't want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I'm not willing to listen to any arguments from them claiming moral relativism. It's a dead philosophy. It's not moral relativism. It's basic psychology: you try to force people to be something they ain't, and they resist it. Particularly when you're talking about societies that have been stable and consistent for a couple millenia or so. You can dislike that all you want. But you can't address the problems of terrorism without admitting that's a contributing factor. You can't expect Durrani goat-herders in Kandahar to act like people in Odessa TX just because you think it's better for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 UN warns Europe against 'backtracking' on migrant commitments http://news.yahoo.com/un-warns-states-against-backtracking-migrant-commitments-110254476.html So Far: Syrian Refugees in U.S. Include 2,098 Muslims, 53 Christians http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/syrian-christians-are-greatest-peril-least-likely-be-admitted President Obama said Monday that calls from some quarters for the U.S. to admit only Christian refugees from Syria were “shameful,” yet the reality is that today’s refugee system discriminates, not against Syrian Muslims, but against Christians and other non-Muslim minorities. Fleeing persecution at the hands of Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and other jihadist groups, Syrian Christians generally avoid U.N. refugee camps because they are targeted there Most refugees considered for resettlement in the U.S. are referred by the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Asking incredibly wide open questions that could go off in any direction isn't really acting like an adult. if you have something to say, just say it Mr. Adult. Is that too much to ask? You're an ass. He's not asking an open-ended question. He's asking you to explain YOUR stance on the issue. It's only open-ended if you have no stance, fool. UN warns Europe against 'backtracking' on migrant commitments http://news.yahoo.com/un-warns-states-against-backtracking-migrant-commitments-110254476.html So now they're migrants again? How much help is the UN giving them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) I'm not willing to do it, I advocate for it. However, it's not because of some notions of immorality; but rather because: 1. We own the mess there 2. Global market stability depends on it 3. The success and spread of ISIS in the region directly threatens strategic allies, and ultimately, in the long game, ourselves I'm sorry, I should have clarified. I was delving into a hypothetical future situation. Let's say the region stabilizes in the next 10 years or so. ISIS is diminished, etc etc. If you don't subscribe to moral relativism, do you advocate to intervene when a ME government institutes Sharia law? When women are ritually murdered and it is considered justified? Do you morally condemn them and advocate for action? Or is it "wrong" but not our place? As an aside, totally agree with the "owning the mess" part and ISIS being a long term threat. We have the moral obligation to figure it out over there. Edited November 17, 2015 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Go for it! Love to read your answers Seriously? You want me to answer a question that was asked of you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 You're an ass. He's not asking an open-ended question. He's asking you to explain YOUR stance on the issue. It's only open-ended if you have no stance, fool. Asking is ethnic history is important? In what way? To which ethnic group? Totally open ended. And don't call me an ass, its so unadult like of you Seriously? You want me to answer a question that was asked of you? Wow! You didn't do it!?! I'm so shocked! You never answer anything at all probably because you know you will look foolish if you tried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Asking incredibly wide open questions that could go off in any direction isn't really acting like an adult. if you have something to say, just say it Mr. Adult. Is that too much to ask? I've got a clue for you. Yes and no question (which is what he asked) are closed ended questions. If you care to make it into an open ended question that for you to decide. And I've got a bigger clue for you. Asking questions (open or closed ended) is called........wait for it.........a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Hey Tasker Do you believe that national borders, cultural identities, and ethnic history are important? answer yes or no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Asking is ethnic history is important? In what way? To which ethnic group? Totally open ended. And don't call me an ass, its so unadult like of you Wow! You didn't do it!?! I'm so shocked! You never answer anything at all probably because you know you will look foolish if you tried Do you believe that national borders, cultural identities, and ethnic history are important? Yes. I believe it's important. Your turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Asking is ethnic history is important? In what way? To which ethnic group? Totally open ended. And don't call me an ass, its so unadult like of you Wow! You didn't do it!?! I'm so shocked! You never answer anything at all probably because you know you will look foolish if you tried Why should I answer a question tasker asked you? Do you have a good reason or are you just being a child again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Asking is ethnic history is important? In what way? To which ethnic group? Totally open ended. And don't call me an ass, its so unadult like of you Holy ****, not only can you not answer the question, you're too damned stupid to accurately repeat it. It was a very simple: is ethnic history important? Justify your answer. That means: take a position, and YOU YOURSELF explain in what way, to which ethnic group. That's very basic high-school level **** here...I know we're challenging you with it. But just think: you'll be ahead of the rest of your class when you start in a couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Do you believe that national borders, cultural identities, and ethnic history are important? Yes. I believe it's important. Your turn. Great, in which ways? So does that mean we end free trade and raise tariffs barriers again? And exactly which cultural identity does America have?? Football commercials? American Idol? The Big Mac? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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