BillsFan-4-Ever Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 That could all be true. Like I said, I stopped following him on twitter but I never thought of him as being anti-EJ. Now that you mention it though, I remember him being against the pick at the time. I think that's fair. Every last person on this website fancies themselves a football prognosticator to some extent. He saw a guy who wasn't very good in college and was seen as a massive project. So far he's been dead on. If he's been unjustly critical of Manuel between the pick and now, that could be, again, I don't really follow him too much. so how do you explain the HUGE differences in his reporting than what people like Astro and and The Wiz report? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 You're wrong, they are expected to generate clicks. Joe B has been good at it so far. You're right and it's why I would be bad as reporter. I hate all these immediate snap judgments. It's funny that a lot of people want to draft a new qb next year and yet not enough have the patience for the process of them developing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) But I think it's embarrassing the way EJ has been treated since he was drafted. Crap coaching staff and fans consistently riding the dude. I want him to win the job because Cassel is the lesser version of Orton (and I can't stand Orton) and Taylor makes me nervous (both good and bad)Fantastic post. I know I'm in this thread trashing cassel. He did make a pro bowl. Playing qb for a team that was one play away from going undefeated. That was a stacked team. Prime moss and pre concussion welker. I don't hate cassel. I hate what him starting means. It means that ej and tt can't beat a mediocre journeyman qb. That is bad for the Bills which is not anything I'm interested in. I also think many fans refuse to look at ej objectively. They think he was a reach and refuse to let go of their pre draft notion that he couldn't be the guy. I also think the last 15 years have removed patience from a lot of fans. Edited August 10, 2015 by section122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 But I think it's embarrassing the way EJ has been treated since he was drafted. Crap coaching staff and fans consistently riding the dude. I want him to win the job because Cassel is the lesser version of Orton (and I can't stand Orton) and Taylor makes me nervous (both good and bad) /quote] Fantastic post. I know I'm in this thread trashing cassel. He did make a pro bowl. Playing qb for a team that was one play away from going undefeated. That was a stacked team. Prime moss and pre concussion welker. I don't hate cassel. I hate what home starting means. It means that ej and tt can't beat a mediocre journeyman qb. That is bad for the Bills which is not anything I'm interested in. I also think many fans refuse to look at ej objectively. They think he was a reach and refuse to let go of their pre draft notion that he couldn't be the guy. I also think the last 15 years have removed patience from a lot of fans. Well said. I don't dislike Cassel at all. Seems like a good dude. But it would be depressing if EJ or Taylor can't beat him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) Serious question actually 2 .... Do you love trolling? Do you honestly think Boyeul bothers me? If EJ stays in the league for 11 years and isn't a Franchise QB I'll call him meh when that time comes. You never answered my question. You think it's OK to mock QBA of my team and then I give a nickname for QBC on that same team, who will be lucky to have the career that QBA has had, and it's somehow controversial. And to achieve "meh" status, Manuel would have to have two ten win seasons and make a pro bowl. You do realize that Matt Cassel has had a more successful career than say, Losman or Edwards, right? Let's take baby steps here. Let's see Manuel have as good a season as Losman did in '06 when he took every snap all season and finished 11th in the NFL in passer rating in his third season as a pro. You realize that if he doesn't get his act together soon, he's going to go down in the annals below both JP Losman and Trent Edwards on the list of all time Bills QB's? And you have the nerve to mock the OTHER QB in this competition? Edited August 10, 2015 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 You're right and it's why I would be bad as reporter. I hate all these immediate snap judgments. It's funny that a lot of people want to draft a new qb next year and yet not enough have the patience for the process of them developing. When you haven't had a QB that was good for as long as we have it's not a shock. Only immediate results will gain respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) You never answered my question. You think it's OK to mock QBA of my team and then I give a nickname for QBC on that same team, who will be lucky to have the career that QBA has had, and it's somehow controversial. And to achieve "meh" status, Manuel would have to have two ten win seasons and make a pro bowl. You do realize that Matt Cassel has had a more successful career than say, Losman or Edwards, right? Let's take baby steps here. Let's see Manuel have as good a season as Losman did in '06 when he took every snap all season and finished 11th in the NFL in passer rating in his third season as a pro. You realize that if he doesn't get his act together soon, he's going to go down in the annals below JP Losman on the list of all time Bills QB's? That was Losman's 3rd season. He didn't play his rookie year and was an absolute train wreck his 2nd year when he competed less than 50% of his passes. This isn't a valid comparison at all. You're trying to hard to hate now. When you haven't had a QB that was good for as long as we have it's not a shock. Only immediate results will gain respect.I'm excited to be the first person to call Connor Cook a bust after his first incomplete pass in OTAs! Edited August 10, 2015 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 That was Losman's 3rd season. He didn't play his rookie year and was an absolute train wreck his 2nd year when he competed less than 50% of his passes. This isn't a valid comparison at all. You're trying to hard to hate now. I said it was his third season. In earnest, it was really his second season. I'm not hating. Would you bet your hard-earned money, even odds, that Manuel ever plays 16 games and finishes 11th in the NFL in passer rating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I said it was his third season. In earnest, it was really his second season. I'm not hating. Would you bet your hard-earned money, even odds, that Manuel ever plays 16 games and finishes 11th in the NFL in passer rating? That depends. Does he have Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods or Lee Evans and Josh Reed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I said it was his third season. In earnest, it was really his second season. I'm not hating. Would you bet your hard-earned money, even odds, that Manuel ever plays 16 games and finishes 11th in the NFL in passer rating? I don't know. That's the whole point. If EJ wins the job, do I think he could have an Alex Smith type season? Absolutely. He might do better than that. But at this point, who knows? For some reason, despite throwing 34 ints and 19 fumbles in 30 games,Cassel is the safe choice. The Bills suck at developing young Qbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I don't know. That's the whole point. If EJ wins the job, do I think he could have an Alex Smith type season? Absolutely. He might do better than that. But at this point, who knows? For some reason, despite throwing 34 ints and 19 fumbles in 30 games,Cassel is the safe choice. The Bills suck at developing young Qbs. This is so true, sadly. I really hate what Marrone/Hackett did with EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 This is so true, sadly. I really hate what Marrone/Hackett did with EJ. Leave them out of it. Otherwise this thread goes full circle and we never get out of the EJ development purgatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 You never answered my question. You think it's OK to mock QBA of my team and then I give a nickname for QBC on that same team, who will be lucky to have the career that QBA has had, and it's somehow controversial. And to achieve "meh" status, Manuel would have to have two ten win seasons and make a pro bowl. You do realize that Matt Cassel has had a more successful career than say, Losman or Edwards, right? Let's take baby steps here. Let's see Manuel have as good a season as Losman did in '06 when he took every snap all season and finished 11th in the NFL in passer rating in his third season as a pro. You realize that if he doesn't get his act together soon, he's going to go down in the annals below both JP Losman and Trent Edwards on the list of all time Bills QB's? And you have the nerve to mock the OTHER QB in this competition? I would call Michael Vick "meh" (or something worse) if the Bills signed, but he has had a more successful career than anyone mentioned in your posts. My "meh" with respect to both Vick and Cassel is because both guys haven't been too exciting as of late (past 3 seasons). I do think EJ could have seasons like Cassel's best (little bit of a reach to say he will). I also don't think EJ's out of the league if he doesn't make it here. I think he would be picked up as a back up that would likely get several opportunities to start (be it for poor play or injuries). His physical attributes and calm demeanor will serve him well as he ages. What I mean is he will work very hard until he fixes the gaps in his game, and at that point I don't think his arm will have started to fade. I think these two features are why the EJ "defenders" do not think he should be written off. On the flip side, I get the win now mentality because teams like this don't seem to last (I'm hoping Whaley is draft genius). EJ has definitely been underwhelming at times in his career, but I think he will good QB (albeit in probably in 3-4 more years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 This has all become downright epistemological. We're talking some deep, how do we know what we think we know kind of stuff. Being a Bills fan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 You're right and it's why I would be bad as reporter. I hate all these immediate snap judgments. It's funny that a lot of people want to draft a new qb next year and yet not enough have the patience for the process of them developing. I know it's just so incredibly rare for a QB to be ready from day 1. Don't know why people can't understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) That depends. Does he have Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods or Lee Evans and Josh Reed? In fairness, Lee Evans was pretty sick in 2006. I bought his jersey based on that season. Edited August 11, 2015 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 This has all become downright epistemological. We're talking some deep, how do we know what we think we know kind of stuff. Being a Bills fan... Cool word! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I know it's just so incredibly rare for a QB to be ready from day 1. Don't know why people can't understand that. Yeah but we're on day 800+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 You never answered my question. You think it's OK to mock QBA of my team and then I give a nickname for QBC on that same team, who will be lucky to have the career that QBA has had, and it's somehow controversial. And to achieve "meh" status, Manuel would have to have two ten win seasons and make a pro bowl. You do realize that Matt Cassel has had a more successful career than say, Losman or Edwards, right? Let's take baby steps here. Let's see Manuel have as good a season as Losman did in '06 when he took every snap all season and finished 11th in the NFL in passer rating in his third season as a pro. You realize that if he doesn't get his act together soon, he's going to go down in the annals below both JP Losman and Trent Edwards on the list of all time Bills QB's? And you have the nerve to mock the OTHER QB in this competition? This is what gets me when people trash Losman. He really started to show something. Stupid fat Vince Wilfork essentially ended his career with that cheap shot that allowed Trent to step in. But I don't get why most people seem to act like Losman was the worst thing ever. Yeah but we're on day 800+. That's why this season is the measuring stick season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Interesting EJ #s: @ChrisTrapasso Doubt 64.4% / 6.9 YPA / 12:8 TD/INT ratio w/o pressure is superb. But there's thought EJ can't even hit broad side of barn. Which isn't true Russell Wilson w/o pressure thru 14 games: 71.1% / 8.8YPA / 17TD 8INT. Matt Ryan: 67.1% / 8.2YPA / 12TD 6 INT. So Manuel's stats not as good Manuel's w/o pressure stats thru 14 games more similar to Flacco (64.1% / 7.2YPA / 9TD 9INT) and Tannehill (61.1% / 6.8YPA 8TD 9INT) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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