schukamaru Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/2015/the-new-england-patriots-mysteriously-became-fumble-proof-in-2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 rut ro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 haha, i think we all knew it was going to be that link when we saw the thread title  man, whether you agree with the analysis or not, that dude has probably collected tons of new subscribers to his gambling site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I saw another report that put together the similar data  its another smoking gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTown Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) VERY INTERESTING! I had totally forgotten that it was Brady (and few others) that were lobbying for that change in policy on who provides the footballs. Â I believe that when all is said and done, Roger is going to be forced to punish the Patriots harshly. IMO, they will never save their tarnished image by pinning De-flate Gate on a poor minion and think the public out-cry would not cause irreparable damage. Particularly, with multi-billion dollar sponsors reputations also at stake. Â I'm actually hoping that NE wins, so Roger has to stand on that stage next Sunday night and hand that trophy to Belicheat and Tom "soft balls" Brady knowing damn well they should never have been there representing the AFC to begin with., and if he (Roger) had done his due diligence during Spy-Gate the Patriots would not likely relevant anyway. Edited January 27, 2015 by JTown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 IN case you missed it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Wait a minute, this sounds interesting. Tell me more!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) So Brady pushed for this rule change 8 years ago, but bellicheat never asked him why? Because he had "no knowledge" of ball prep before his psi cram session over the weekend Edited January 27, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Does this prove without a shadow of a doubt they've been deflating balls since 2007? No. But it sure as hell looks extremely suspicious that they just so happen to start having a drastic reduction in fumbles the same year that a rule that Brady pushed for gets passed. A rule that allows them to prep their own balls, which would allow them to purposely deflate balls which is what they're now being accused of doing. Â The timing matches up perfectly. Brady being one of the main proponents of the rule change matches up perfectly. Suspiciously low fumble numbers and suspiciously high cold weather passing numbers match up perfectly. The accusations by the NFL right now matches up with all that. The science matches up with disproving the explanation given by Bellichick. You have to be looking pretty hard for a reason to find the Patriots innocent to not come to the conclusion that it's very likely they cheated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Not surprised one bit. I've been saying they cheat for ever. I'm glad this is getting so much attention because you know the nfl just wants it swept under the rug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemedic Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 WOW....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidkski Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Even the homers in the Boston media are reporting it now. Â The data is so skewed it defies any rational explanation. And it certainly lends creedance to the theory that once Bellichek and the Pats were caught cheating in SPygate they simply found new rules to flout. Â It'd be fascinating to track down all the Pats ballboys since Brady convinced the league to change the rule and see if any of them can corroborate it. Â http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/01/25/patriots-fumble-nearly-impossible-rate/LCgrlUR9qgxDsIgcal9dUI/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 has anyone looked at their fumble rate when receiving punts/kicks? presumably those balls are inflated to the max. Â if their fumble rate was the same as other teams when receiving punts/kicks, but much less on plays from scrimmage, that would be pretty damning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Even the homers in the Boston media are reporting it now. Â The data is so skewed it defies any rational explanation. And it certainly lends creedance to the theory that once Bellichek and the Pats were caught cheating in SPygate they simply found new rules to flout. Â It'd be fascinating to track down all the Pats ballboys since Brady convinced the league to change the rule and see if any of them can corroborate it. Â http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/01/25/patriots-fumble-nearly-impossible-rate/LCgrlUR9qgxDsIgcal9dUI/story.html ugh.... there have been several rational explanations that could tighten up the numbers, in atleast a dozen threads now..... its an interesting stat, but hardly factual proof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Man, how much manufactured anger (and threads) can this same topic produce? Â The OP just saw this data? Silly man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Man, how much manufactured anger (and threads) can this same topic produce? Â The OP just saw this data? Silly man. It was freshly rehashed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 ugh.... there have been several rational explanations that could tighten up the numbers, in atleast a dozen threads now..... its an interesting stat, but hardly factual proof  I thought the best of those arguments was the low sack numbers argument.....which I debunked in another thread:   I think that the "Patriots don't get sacked much" devil's advocate argument for the reason that they have an extremely low fumble percentage is fair.....so I thought I would crunch some numbers and see what happens....  Below are Tom Brady's and Matt Cassel's numbers through their careers. I have decided to use the combined sack and rush numbers as those were the plays where the QB theoretically has to hold onto the ball.  Source: NFL.com player stats Cassel(http://www.nfl.com/p...562/careerstats) NFL.com player stats Brady(http://www.nfl.com/p...211/careerstats)  Matt Cassel fumble rates with Patriots(2007+2008): 124 plays 8 fumbles (1 in 15.5) 4 fumbles lost (1 in 31)  Matt Cassel fumble rates pre-2007 with Patriots and post Patriots(2009+) 305 plays 40 fumbles (1 in 7.6) 15 fumbles lost (1 in 20.3)   Tom Brady fumble rates 2007+ 413 plays 36 fumbles (1 in 11.5) 15 fumbles lost (1 in 27.5)  Tom Brady fumble rate pre-2007 421 plays 59 fumbles (1 in 7.1) 25 fumbles lost (1 in 16.9)   It looks like there is a clear reduction in the fumble rate for the Patriots QBs after the 2006 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 ugh.... there have been several rational explanations that could tighten up the numbers, in atleast a dozen threads now..... its an interesting stat, but hardly factual proof  Tighten up but still not put the Patriots in the average. It's not a court of law and we'll never get factual proof out of anything with any statistic football tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 http://regressing.deadspin.com/why-those-statistics-about-the-patriots-fumbles-are-mos-1681805710 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Why....my GOD, how come this is the first we're hearing about this???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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